On 01/07/2023 at 09:58, JimmyGadson said:

Nah, it's not hyperbole at all. 

Everyone is beatable and we built ourselves up to beat Collingwood. But we've lost to Freo at home, Essendon, an undermanned Geelong and have been patchy and inconsistent in games the entire year. We don't look like a top four side with the way we're playing. 

Speaking of hyperbole though. You still think Collingwood are over hyped? And are you sure? 

They looked pretty average today didn't they! 

They looked amazing against witches hats. As did we against North. As did Swans against West Coast. 

Gold Coast had a do not enter policy in the corridor today. It was one of the most putrid coaching display I’ve seen in a long time. Pies just waltzed the ball from end to end uncontested. It was a goddamn training run. 

  On 01/07/2023 at 09:58, JimmyGadson said:

Nah, it's not hyperbole at all. 

Everyone is beatable and we built ourselves up to beat Collingwood. But we've lost to Freo at home, Essendon, an undermanned Geelong and have been patchy and inconsistent in games the entire year. We don't look like a top four side with the way we're playing. 

Speaking of hyperbole though. You still think Collingwood are over hyped? And are you sure? 

They looked pretty average today didn't they! 

I do still think Collingwood are over hyped. If we're not playing like a top 4 side and we beat them, then what does that say about Collingwood?

Gold Coast on the back end of their fixture aren't great competition, but Collingwood did show really strong arousal today. No wonder they won.

Edited July 1, 20231 yr by A F

  On 01/07/2023 at 09:58, JimmyGadson said:

Nah, it's not hyperbole at all. 

Everyone is beatable and we built ourselves up to beat Collingwood. But we've lost to Freo at home, Essendon, an undermanned Geelong and have been patchy and inconsistent in games the entire year. We don't look like a top four side with the way we're playing. 

Speaking of hyperbole though. You still think Collingwood are over hyped? And are you sure? 

They looked pretty average today didn't they! 

You know they are still selling Collingwood memberships Jimmy? When you speak about them it’s the most optimistic I’ve ever heard you.

  On 01/07/2023 at 06:21, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Geeez, the Unicorn has had a stinker 🦄 

Would in the three worst games of his career.

Played 80% time on ground, too,  so it isn't as if he was playing as an occasional backup.

I didn't see the game directly, but by the numbers is looked like Sean Darcy rucked solo against English and a bit of Lobb. Is it as simply as Jackson was played forward and this week it just didn't happen for him?

Meanhile, Weideman just missed an easy and important set shot for us. While playing for Essendon, but you know what I mean!

  On 01/07/2023 at 11:37, Little Goffy said:

Would in the three worst games of his career.

Played 80% time on ground, too,  so it isn't as if he was playing as an occasional backup.

I didn't see the game directly, but by the numbers is looked like Sean Darcy rucked solo against English and a bit of Lobb. Is it as simply as Jackson was played forward and this week it just didn't happen for him?

Meanhile, Weideman just missed an easy and important set shot for us. While playing for Essendon, but you know what I mean!

Felt like Jacko played nearly permanently forward from what I saw

  On 01/07/2023 at 10:01, Jaded No More said:

They looked amazing against witches hats. As did we against North. As did Swans against West Coast. 

Gold Coast had a do not enter policy in the corridor today. It was one of the most putrid coaching display I’ve seen in a long time. Pies just waltzed the ball from end to end uncontested. It was a goddamn training run. 

You can't compare Gold Coast to North or West Coast. 

And you're downplaying Collingwood's football. Without De Goey, Mcstay and Sidebottom.

 

  On 01/07/2023 at 10:36, A F said:

I do still think Collingwood are over hyped. If we're not playing like a top 4 side and we beat them, then what does that say about Collingwood?

Gold Coast on the back end of their fixture aren't great competition, but Collingwood did show really strong arousal today. No wonder they won.

Because as I've said multiple times, bar maybe three sides at the moment, anyone can beat anyone. 

You keep shifting the goal posts haha. You're blaming Gold Coast's 'poor second half of the draw' history as opposed to giving credit to Collingwood smacking them up there by 78 points without three important players. If we had won that, you wouldn't stop banging on about how good the win was. 

  On 01/07/2023 at 11:28, The heart beats true said:

You know they are still selling Collingwood memberships Jimmy? When you speak about them it’s the most optimistic I’ve ever heard you.

I just appreciate what they're doing at the moment as a club and I wish Goody would take a leaf in some ways. Release the shackles. 

Play with flair, bring supporters along for the ride. Stop stifling some of the flair our players possess by being so rigid. 

Can you not see the flow-on effect it's having for them? 

I'm totally optimistic about our list and the talent we have. I've just lost faith in Godwin's msg getting through given how inconsistent we've been since midway of last year. 

Edited July 1, 20231 yr by JimmyGadson

  On 01/07/2023 at 12:41, JimmyGadson said:

You can't compare Gold Coast to North or West Coast. 

And you're downplaying Collingwood's football. Without De Goey, Mcstay and Sidebottom.

 

Because as I've said multiple times, bar maybe three sides at the moment, anyone can beat anyone. 

You keep shifting the goal posts haha. You're blaming Gold Coast's 'poor second half of the draw' history as opposed to giving credit to Collingwood smacking them up there by 78 points without three important players. If we had won that, you wouldn't stop banging on about how good the win was. 

I just appreciate what they're doing at the moment as a club and I wish Goody would take a leaf in some ways. Release the shackles. 

Play with flair, bring supporters along for the ride. Stop stifling some of the flair our players possess by being so rigid. 

Can you not see the flow-on effect it's having for them? 

I'm totally optimistic about our list and the talent we have. I've just lost faith in Godwin's msg getting through given how inconsistent we've been since midway of last year. 

Big Fella, you can’t include McStay, he’s a spud 

  On 01/07/2023 at 12:41, JimmyGadson said:

You can't compare Gold Coast to North or West Coast. 

And you're downplaying Collingwood's football. Without De Goey, Mcstay and Sidebottom.

We beat Collingwood without Oliver (the best contested player in the comp), Petty and Bowey (our premiership defenders). McStay is an ordinary footballer, but I'd give you Howe. So a week after beating Collingwood without our best player and with equal outs to Collingwood, you're saying we don't look like a top 4 prospect, so who's downplaying who here?

  On 01/07/2023 at 12:41, JimmyGadson said:

Because as I've said multiple times, bar maybe three sides at the moment, anyone can beat anyone. 

You keep shifting the goal posts haha. You're blaming Gold Coast's 'poor second half of the draw' history as opposed to giving credit to Collingwood smacking them up there by 78 points without three important players. If we had won that, you wouldn't stop banging on about how good the win was. 

I'm not shifting the goal posts at all. If we'd beaten a clearly fatigued and ordinary Suns sides that had thrown in the towel, I would not be going on about how good the win is. This is the difference between you and I. I would be acknowledging that we got the job done, not how good we were. That's your approach to sides that aren't Melbourne. But as soon as Melbourne are involved you become hyper critical and seemingly unable to analyse what's happening, outside of our ball movement lacks dare and we don't play with the same arousal levels, and I wish we had supporters that attended (meanwhile I'm in Europe not attending). It's like a constant chip on your shoulder about us.

  On 01/07/2023 at 12:41, JimmyGadson said:

I just appreciate what they're doing at the moment as a club and I wish Goody would take a leaf in some ways. Release the shackles. 

Play with flair, bring supporters along for the ride. Stop stifling some of the flair our players possess by being so rigid. 

Can you not see the flow-on effect it's having for them? 

I'm totally optimistic about our list and the talent we have. I've just lost faith in Godwin's msg getting through given how inconsistent we've been since midway of last year. 

Nah, this is hedging in the extreme. My point has always been our ball movement (like everyone's) will improve at the back end of the season. However, unlike everyone else's, our ball movement earlier in the year was far more devastating. And it's why Collingwood mostly fell over the line against multiple opponents (St Kilda, Essendon, Adelaide and you could argue even Geelong who were down players but still managed 100 points against them), while we spanked teams.

So now when things turn you can say, oh, I always said Goodwin needed to encourage the players to play with more flair. 

I've previously acknowledged (multiple times) that I admire what McRae has been able to achieve with his team in a short amount of time, but I've always said it's highly vulnerable and less sophisticated than our defence first system. 

Edited July 2, 20231 yr by A F

One thing is for certain, we all want to see Freo lose every game from here on in. 

At least we knocked freo down a spot?

Getting down to the business end of the season and with Melbourne causing much angst and stress on here with their recent performances, I have found some joy in following the demise of freo which has substantial impact on our draft hand.

This week they are playing at home up against Carlton who have won their past two matches (admittedly against Suns and Hawks).

A Carlton win will see Freo drop at least two spots on the ladder with the winner of Tigers vs Swans also surpassing the dockers on points.

 

Edited July 5, 20231 yr by Nascent

  On 05/07/2023 at 06:56, Nascent said:

Getting down to the business end of the season and Melbourne causing much angst and stress on here with their recent performances, I have found some joy in following the demise of freo which has substantial impact on our draft hand.

This week they are playing at home up against Carlton who have won their past two matches (admittedly against Suns and Hawks).

A Carlton win will see Freo drop at least two spots on the ladder with the winner of Tigers vs Swans also surpassing the dockers on points.

 

Blues are a form/confidence team more than most.  They are a genuine chance against Freo.  I'm tipping them

Blues will make a big push for finals and end up missing out on %.  Should be fun to watch (again)

Freo need to go 6-2 to make finals.

Currently $7 to make the 8, at this point in the season it means there done if you go by this. 

Edited July 5, 20231 yr by Jibroni

  On 05/07/2023 at 07:06, DubDee said:

 

Blues will make a big push for finals and end up missing out on %.  Should be fun to watch (again)

This. Every Carlton supporter already knows this. The team and the several stars in it will find form, remind everyone of how great they ought to be, and it will all come to nothing because they faffed about early in the season. It is destiny.

The only counter argument is that Fremantle are doomed to a near-identical fate!

The way we're currently travelling it won't be long before we're death riding our own picks. 

  On 05/07/2023 at 07:57, Jibroni said:

Currently $7 to make the 8, at this point in the season it means there done if you go by this. 

I have them beating Carlton, Sydney, Brisbane, West Coast (all at home) and Hawthorn at the MCG

I have them losing to Collingwood (away), Geelong (away) and Port at home.

12-11 with a 10th place finish.

They could easily lose to Brisbane but I still have them finishing 10th on my ladder predictor regardless of that result. 

At the start of the year we would've happily taken a 10th place finish for Freo.

Edited July 6, 20231 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

  On 06/07/2023 at 00:01, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I have them beating Carlton, Sydney, Brisbane, West Coast (all at home) and Hawthorn at the MCG

I have them losing to Collingwood (away), Geelong (away) and Port at home.

12-11 with a 10th place finish.

They could easily lose to Brisbane but I still have them finishing 10th on my ladder predictor regardless of that result. 

At the start of the year we would've happily taken a 10th place finish for Freo.

Based on their recent form down at Geelong, I feel it would be more likely for them to beat the Cats. They could easily lose to Carlton and Sydney at home, if both of those teams find some form.

Big game today. I feel Swans and Blues are improving.. Hopefully they get above Freo by seasons end. Would love a top 5 pick. 

Not Sure If I want Freo or Carlton to lose. 

  On 09/07/2023 at 00:04, Redjacket said:

Not Sure If I want Freo or Carlton to lose. 

Perhaps a draw?

Carlton are bang average, have struggled against good teams. Dockers should win pretty comfortably.

We definitely want Freo to lose. 
Carlton pose no threat to us. 

Never thought I’d see the day that I was looking forward to Carltank thumping a side…. But here we are. 

Ordinary first quarter from Freo. Looks like it's going to be a day for the death riders.