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5 hours ago, dee-tox said:

That's the 64 dollar question of course. Decorated junior careers don't always translate to star performer in the AFL.  For what its worth most pundits don't see him lasting after pick 30 but then again most pundits are like sheep and just follow what Twomey from AFL.com writes.

We know Jason Taylor seems to like hardworking, competitive kids with good character. Plus we never go purely outside. Will be interesting to see if we want another mid who we target.

This is true.

I do remember clearly one by the name of Jordan Gysberts who had a very impressive junior career.

Won a dozen league BnF medals coming through the ranks and was touted to be a future 200 gamer.

Boy did he fizzle..

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is true.

I do remember clearly one by the name of Jordan Gysberts who had a very impressive junior career.

Won a dozen league BnF medals coming through the ranks and was touted to be a future 200 gamer.

Boy did he fizzle..

Under Goodwin he would have flourished. Neeld sucked his love of footy from him.  Boy, could he play. 

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19 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Under Goodwin he would have flourished. Neeld sucked his love of footy from him.  Boy, could he play. 

No doubt Gysberts was a product of the woeful Melbourne environment then. The club was a train wreck in that era under Neeld. Gysberts burst onto the scene and then got "Melbourned" like many other highly talented juniors that were unlucky enough to be drafted to by Melbourne during those years. Any kid who is ripping out 26 disposal, 8 clearance, 5 tackle games as an 18 year starting his career in a team getting belted with bugger all senior support has clear talent. Neeld and the poor development of the club at the time ruined his career. If he were drafted now, he'd be a 200 game player. I feel sorry for those kids whose careers we ruined back then.

As for pick 37 now, I'm hoping someone like Keeler may be available as a bit of a project player. 13 needs to be ready to go IMO.

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On 10/12/2022 at 11:45 PM, Turner said:

So noticed this pick didnt have a thread yet so here it is. and for free you also get a collection of players i hope we are looking at in that range. i'm of the belief we will go midfielder as best available at 13 (i want hollands, and ill take his homesick brother in 2 years time too thanks) so these are the guys i'd be talking to, i dont think we will take two generic shape/sized mid types as we've recruited plenty of those recently however we have tended to target talls/smalls either through unnatural pathways (SPP/MSD) or from other clubs unless they've been high end top prospects recently so its hard to tell the clubs thoughts but heres some names anyway

Isaac Keeler H: 198cm W: 88kg -- tall athletic KPF with NGA links to the crows. for me, so much more upside than say Cadman, why you ask because cadman is the biggest body playing against 18yo's only, keeler has shown flashes but has heaps of development, growth and muscle to come. they use the term x-factor when discussing him

James Van Es H: 197cm W: 99kg --tall defender, strong overhead, confident to mark the footy, will be ready in 3-4 years time to take over from may and be really aggressive in the air. 

Lewis Hayes H: 197cm W: 81kg --tall defender, infamous for collapsing on the finish line of the 2ker at the combine but has upside and potential, could be a little passion project for the dev coaches

Lachie Cowan H: 188cm W: 81kg --slingshot rebounding defender, good height but beautiful kick out of tassie, great combination of speed and using it correctly and kicking

Josh Weddle H: 192cm W: 89kg --probably out of range here but players do slide, tested really well for speed and endurance, strong overhead, going to be a player as a rebounding intercepting defender

Darcy Jones: H: 175cm W: 67kg --small forward, super zippy, broke the agility record of 14yrs, small forward but like spargo is a strong midfielder at junior level and would play up the gorund, maybe even as a daniels type HB

Max Knobel H: 206cm W: 91kg OR Harry Barnett H: 202cm W:93kg --the two top ruck prospects, knobel has been growing and putting on weight all year, barnett won their duels during the year, project players

Anthony Munkara H: 186cm W:77kg --linked to essendons nga, he could be anything as a leaping third tall, raw but has serious talent and x factor and knows his way around goals, excites me

Keeler very much like Jackson and available to MFC < pick 40.

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5 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

Under Goodwin he would have flourished. Neeld sucked his love of footy from him.  Boy, could he play. 

Not sure how you can categorically state he would have flourished under Goodwin. Like what's this based on exactly? Not every high draft pick player has flourished under Goodwin.

Gysberts for all his talents was an incredibly poor trainer and was usually in the bottom 3 of the time trials and didnt apply himself well on the training track.

When North recruited him he turned up in poor shape and only lasted a year on the list with 0 AFL games to his name.

Can't blame Neeld for every player failing. Sometimes it comes back on the player itself if they desperately want an AFL career.

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10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure how you can categorically state he would have flourished under Goodwin.

It's an opinion business Dazzle and that's my opinion.  He did well under Bailey and was highly rated by the footy department at that time.  I think he would have flourished in a more inclusive environment.  By the time he got to NM he'd completely lost interest in footy. 

Two rising star awards speaks to his ability to play competitive AFL footy and he averaged just under 20 disposals a game. That's pretty impressive for a bloke at the beginning of his career and suggested a good career was in the offering.

 

 

 

 

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One problem with Gysberts was his poor engine, something he appeared to be unable to work on. I recall that he was always at the back of the pack when the team went on runs. This definitely impaired his development and ability to improve at the elite level.

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1 hour ago, Slartibartfast said:

It's an opinion business Dazzle and that's my opinion.  He did well under Bailey and was highly rated by the footy department at that time.  I think he would have flourished in a more inclusive environment.  By the time he got to NM he'd completely lost interest in footy. 

Two rising star awards speaks to his ability to play competitive AFL footy and he averaged just under 20 disposals a game. That's pretty impressive for a bloke at the beginning of his career and suggested a good career was in the offering.

 

 

 

 

Yes you're correct. Maybe you can take a dose of this everytime you're willing to argue against me at every opportunity hey?

No one is doubting his talent. He had a bucket loads of it. His work ethic at training and ability to apply himself on the track was pretty poor. That's on him, not Neeld. 

I mean, if he had lost interest by the time he got to North then again, speaks more of him not willing to fight for his career during his time there.

The likes of Cook, Morton, Gysberts were all high draft picks who Neeld was happy turf out pretty quick which looking back now was the right decision. 

All 3 never troubled us at all at clubs they were traded off to.

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6 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Remember this image of JG impressing Moloney and Nicholson with his lifting prowess?

 

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I always thought the context of that picture depended how many reps he'd done.  He was clearly trying hard and at completion.

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure how you can categorically state he would have flourished under Goodwin. Like what's this based on exactly? Not every high draft pick player has flourished under Goodwin.

Gysberts for all his talents was an incredibly poor trainer and was usually in the bottom 3 of the time trials and didnt apply himself well on the training track.

When North recruited him he turned up in poor shape and only lasted a year on the list with 0 AFL games to his name.

Can't blame Neeld for every player failing. Sometimes it comes back on the player itself if they desperately want an AFL career.

No one excelled under Neeld Dazzle. Nor did his coaching bite any club on the [censored] after us. Leaders are meant to lift and harness talent. Not defeat it. It maybe new age,  but it works…

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23 minutes ago, old55 said:

I always thought the context of that picture depended how many reps he'd done.  He was clearly trying hard and at completion.

That may well be the case.  I'm taking my cue from the expression on his teammates' faces.

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10 hours ago, IvanBartul13 said:

I wouldn't draft him with pick 100.  Go back and watch his tape.  He doesn't bodyline opponents when he tackles, he ducks his head in marking contests and when opponents have the ball his chasing effort is not up to standard and he provides next to know spread from contest.  His contested hands game is wildly over-rated too, often panicking in the heat of the contest and flipping it to random areas.   He's got a lovely technical kick on him and great size for a midfielder and when he gets on the end of chains of possessions and in some space, there is some Nathan Buckley about him.  If I knew he had an injury or something like that I would give him a pass mark but his lack of defensive heat and spread from stoppage were massive red flags and the reasons he is dropping in my opinion.

cheers IB13. Can see comparisons to Jordan Gysberts & where you’re coming from.  Szybkowski did show plenty at stingrays club level but less at the championships so agree his lack of defensive side (against guys like Ashcroft and Mckenzie) would count against him.  He trained at the Dees last summer so assume JT and team has plenty of insights.  

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4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure how you can categorically state he would have flourished under Goodwin. Like what's this based on exactly? Not every high draft pick player has flourished under Goodwin.

Gysberts for all his talents was an incredibly poor trainer and was usually in the bottom 3 of the time trials and didnt apply himself well on the training track.

When North recruited him he turned up in poor shape and only lasted a year on the list with 0 AFL games to his name.

Can't blame Neeld for every player failing. Sometimes it comes back on the player itself if they desperately want an AFL career.

Sorry Dazzle Neeld was a very very poor coach!

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23 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Sorry Dazzle Neeld was a very very poor coach!

Mate Neeld was one of the worst coaches I've seen in my time supporting at AFL level.

A player has to take some responsibility for their own actions as well and can't be left purely on the coach.

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6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mate Neeld was one of the worst coaches I've seen in my time supporting at AFL level.

A player has to take some responsibility for their own actions as well and can't be left purely on the coach.

I can’t think of 1 win as a club with Neeld leading the way Dazzle!.  He isn’t the sole problem and players have a role, but his time was really bad. 
 

leadership is more important to success. The soldiers are the icing on top of the cake

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3 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Remember this image of JG impressing Moloney and Nicholson with his lifting prowess?

 

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There's something weirdly toxic about thet photo, but maybe it's just that Moloney always seemed like a muppet to me and it's clouding my judgement.

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39 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

I can’t think of 1 win as a club with Neeld leading the way Dazzle!.  He isn’t the sole problem and players have a role, but his time was really bad. 
 

leadership is more important to success. The soldiers are the icing on top of the cake

Sooo you agree with me right?

I mean, I did just say he was one of the worst coaches I've seen in my time supporting AFL?

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14 hours ago, RDBhero said:

Keeler very much like Jackson and available to MFC < pick 40.

Turner RDB

Could  Munkara be the player we thought Rosman might have been if he had shown signs of development?

We need an X factor forward/ mid especially in case of The possibility of the Kossie factor. 

We may have the player in Howes if he develops physically but Two it three X factors in Kossie Howes and Munkara would liven up any forward line  or team  if all develop. 

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I want to know why a player who won the Morrish Medal in Taj Campbell-Farrell has not been mentioned by any of the watchers which I am not one.

The last Morrish Medal winner we picked was Clayton who was not considered until draft night at 4, maybe having 2 Taj's is one too many?

Anyone seen him in the flesh because some of his statistics are very impressive but the injury may have dampened his chance of been a top 20 pick?

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19 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Really? Was in the best four players for Country in three of the four games. 

Was referring to the last game v Vic Metro, against their midfield of Ashcroft, Mckenzie as per my full post. In that game, when it was on the line, guys like Hollands, Reid, Cadman, Murdoch and Gallagher were lifting Country in the game. Szybkowski dropped away. He lifted Stingrays into the GF but again was beaten by the Dragons combo of Ashcroft and McKenzie.  I think Szybkowski gets drafted, likely in the mid-2nd or early 3rd round.  

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20 hours ago, adonski said:

Yes he showed good form and consistent form across championships and under 18 comp. Not sure he lasts up to “37” range.  Might be just gone before our pick.  He’s got good pace and skills for a wing or half back.  Strong at the footy and pushes forward.  Probably goes around 25-35 range but you never know. 

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