Gotta keep evolving, Harmes might love the club but he is a fairly vanilla player most of the time. 

And if this helps balance our list and gives us the opportunity to bring someone in that none of us can see then I'm all for it. 

We need a shake up, keep our core and continue to develop and evolve around them.

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

B+ mid who doesn’t fit with our best mids
B- wing
B+ half back who isn’t tall enough to be an elite interceptor, isn’t quick or disciplined enough to defend and can’t hit targets, can’t play in the same side as Lever

Could’ve kept Harmes and Hunt to provide the same output mid/wing and half back who compliment in some ways our best players. Then used the currency of Gus to find a long term midfield answer. Instead it could be Lachie Hunter and Joel Smith, yay 

I think it is time to slip you onto ignore. You must just be trolling. The only alternative I can imagine is that  you have absolutely no idea and feel a desperate need to share your ridiculous opinions. 

Just now, FlashInThePan said:

I think it is time to slip you onto ignore. You must just be trolling. The only alternative I can imagine is that  you have absolutely no idea and feel a desperate need to share your ridiculous opinions. 

Or you can stick around and learn something. Your choice really

Unfortunately with the big contracts for the stars the inevitable squeeze was always going to mean guys like Harmes and Hunt were likely to get better deals elsewhere. That's footy Unfortunately 

The old 'but he's the heart and soul' comment has zero merit when it comes to making ruthless list changes especially when we're in our premiership window. 

Supporters dead set need to take off the red and blue romance glasses and look at from an on field perspective. We're here to win games and flags.

Do whatever it takes to get there.

Had we purely kept blokes on our list because they were the heart and soul then guys like Jack Watts ans Brent Moloney would have finished their career at the Dees.

If shipping Harmes off brings us better quality from a playing perspective then it's a win already.

 

2 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

Unfortunately with the big contracts for the stars the inevitable squeeze was always going to mean guys like Harmes and Hunt were likely to get better deals elsewhere. That's footy Unfortunately 

Harmes is contracted for another 2 years though. Maybe it's a Scottie Pippen situation where he signed a great long term deal at the time but it ended up being massive unders?

I would love to know the reasons why he is exploring options.

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The old 'but he's the heart and soul' comment has zero merit when it comes to making ruthless list changes especially when we're in our premiership window. 

Supporters dead set need to take off the red and blue romance glasses and look at from an on field perspective. We're here to win games and flags.

Do whatever it takes to get there.

Had we purely kept blokes on our list because they were the heart and soul then guys like Jack Watts ans Brent Moloney would have finished their career at the Dees.

If shipping Harmes off brings us better quality from a playing perspective then it's a win already.

I think his exit interview probably indicated that he might spend some time at Casey next year so feel free to explore options...

19 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Just to clarify, I was responding originally to SWYL who was suggesting Dunstan come into the team for Harmes role.

This is a different conversation to the dynamics of list management.

I have read his post and he talks about covering Harmes with Dunstan or other good young options we have in the VFL. Implying that we have depth in those roles. You may have missed the point he was making

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Demons1858

2 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

I think his exit interview probably indicated that he might spend some time at Casey next year so feel free to explore options...

Yeah it's a fair assumption from the coaches if that's the case.

I just don't actually think there is some secret agenda here and some surprise left field gun is going to appear. Even as depth Harmes is more value in than out for a [censored] pick.

And ruthless keeps Geelong up but ruthless trading and delisting also gave us the Neeld years.

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Norm Smith's Curse

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Yes, we panicked and overpaid the guy who doesn’t fit in our structure and had guaranteed currency so are now losing 3 best 25 guys who have far less value. I predicted this at the time. 

Is this sarcasm? Getting rid of average players and keeping quality players. Good strategy no?

9 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

I have read his post and he talks about covering Harmes with Dunstan or other good young options we have in the VFL. Implying that we have depth in those roles. You may have missed the point he was making

You were looking at a later post mate. This is the original one here.

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Not up too me Spence. But Harmesy was always Fringe or tagging. 
We got worked out this year. Changes are needed

Dunstan may well be very effective in Harmes Spot

 

I’m sure the FD know what they are doing but something about Harmes in the red sash just doesn’t seem right.

Well, that would open up both salary space and role space for a certain back-ended Gold Coast player

If it ends up being Hunt & Harmes out for not only the trade-value picks but also and Bowes & 7, we're probably pretty good winners.

I do like Harmes, and together we will always have that perfect run and kick to Fritsch's lead at the pivotal moment in the Grand Final, but in the end he is a 'contributing but not crucial' player overall.

Happy if he stays, but I feel that it can work out well for all if he does go.

 

Just now, DeeMee said:

I’m sure the FD know what they are doing but something about Harmes in the red sash just doesn’t seem right.

anybody (other than criminals and low-life) doesn't seem right in the red sash

42 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

B+ mid who doesn’t fit with our best mids
B- wing
B+ half back who isn’t tall enough to be an elite interceptor, isn’t quick or disciplined enough to defend and can’t hit targets, can’t play in the same side as Lever

Could’ve kept Harmes and Hunt to provide the same output mid/wing and half back who compliment in some ways our best players. Then used the currency of Gus to find a long term midfield answer. Instead it could be Lachie Hunter and Joel Smith, yay 

Harmes and Hunt are as good as Angus? Lol

call me when either comes third in the Brownlow 

3 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Well, that would open up both salary space and role space for a certain back-ended Gold Coast player

If it ends up being Hunt & Harmes out for not only the trade-value picks but also and Bowes & 7, we're probably pretty good winners.

I do like Harmes, and together we will always have that perfect run and kick to Fritsch's lead at the pivotal moment in the Grand Final, but in the end he is a 'contributing but not crucial' player overall.

Happy if he stays, but I feel that it can work out well for all if he does go.

 

We're not in the running for Bowes.

14 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Well, that would open up both salary space and role space for a certain back-ended Gold Coast player

If it ends up being Hunt & Harmes out for not only the trade-value picks but also and Bowes & 7, we're probably pretty good winners.

I do like Harmes, and together we will always have that perfect run and kick to Fritsch's lead at the pivotal moment in the Grand Final, but in the end he is a 'contributing but not crucial' player overall.

Happy if he stays, but I feel that it can work out well for all if he does go.

 

I rate him and have enjoyed his service, even if I've been known to call him Nathan Jones from Wish... But I assume the FD see a host if names infront or on par with him. Not dissimilar to Ellis leaving the tigers for the gold coast. 

Just now, DubDee said:

Harmes and Hunt are as good as Angus? Lol

call me when either comes third in the Brownlow 

If Harmes played 22 games as an unaccountable mid and the umps gave him all of Oliver’s votes he’d be a chance of that absurd result too. 
 

2018 Melbourne best and fairest votes

1	Max Gawn	657
2	Clayton Oliver	595
3	James Harmes	468
4	Nathan Jones	449
5	Tom McDonald	433
6	Angus Brayshaw	429

34 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

I think it is time to slip you onto ignore. You must just be trolling. The only alternative I can imagine is that  you have absolutely no idea and feel a desperate need to share your ridiculous opinions. 

 

33 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Or you can stick around and learn something. Your choice really

I think Flash has already learned something…

16 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

You were looking at a later post mate. This is the original one here.

 

You replied directly to his comment where he implied we had depth in the form of Dunstan and others. Your so selective with your quotes above. And who cares what order it was in, you failed to fully appreciate the broader potential benefits of trading harmes out given the glut in mids which was suggested to you

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Demons1858

1 minute ago, Demons1858 said:

You replied directly to his comment where he implied we had depth in the form of Dunstan and others. Your so selective with your quotes above. And who cares what order it was in, you failed to fully appreciate the broader potential benefits of trading harmes out given the glut in mids

No, you just jumped into a conversation late and misunderstood it.

Have a good one.

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

No, you just jumped into a conversation late and misunderstood it.

Have a good one.

No, you just look to change context to avoid the possibility you might not know everything .. thanks, l will have a good one

Would only do it for something worthwhile, don't want to just give him away. 

Just now, Demons1858 said:

No, you just look to change context to avoid the possibility you might not know everything .. thanks, l will have a good one

Dunstan is already on our list. He doesn't need to 'come into Harmes' spot' on the list.

No context change needed, just some hand holding and walking through apparently.