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Jack Bowes Salary Dump

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1 minute ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Heard yesterday on radio he is on around 850K for last 2 years of his contract....Hence why the pick 7 involved....500K they would have every club trying to make it happen!!

That does alter things.

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    56 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Would it make sense for Freo to go after Bowes and then use pick 7 as part of the Jackson trade?

     

    Considering the number of players they have leaving and their need for high picks to satisfy us, it makes a lot of sense.

    As Grazman said, first they have to convince Bowes to play for them.

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    53 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Would it make sense for Freo to go after Bowes and then use pick 7 as part of the Jackson trade?

     

    It definitely would.   

    Somehow i think they don't have that much room salary cap wise if they low balling player like Acres, and still going to need hefty $$$ for Jackson.  Lobb and few others to move yet though, so never know?!

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    1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

    Would it make sense for Freo to go after Bowes and then use pick 7 as part of the Jackson trade?

     

    That would be awesome, but he might want to get to Victoria.

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    I mean, I'm an anonymous nobody behind a keyboard on a football supporters website but... 

    If we don't chase this hard, I'll be baffled. 

    We have many NQR's we can move on to comfortably fit Bowes in. Was a top 10 pick so he clearly has attributes to work with. He's 24 as well.

    I'd be more than comfortable to move a player like Hunt on given he's 27 and has never become a consistent 22 player. And whilst he played the majority of this year, he is definitely replaceable. 

    Then there's any of Tomlinson, Bedford, Weideman, Melksham, ANB who I'd be comfortable moving on. 

    Pivk 7 would be an unbelievable gift to have going into this draft or on-trading for next year's bumper crop. 

    It's just a no-brainer.

    Heading into the draft with two first rounders from the Jackson trade as well as pick 7 is ludicrous for a side that won a flag the season prior and finished the current one on second spot. 

    [censored] do it! 

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    1 minute ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

    That would be awesome, but he might want to get to Victoria.

    It does seem like Vic clubs so far, but he's from Cairns originally isn't he?

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    2 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

    I'd be more than comfortable to move a player like Hunt on given he's 27 and has never become a consistent 22 player. And whilst he played the majority of this year, he is definitely replaceable. 

    Then there's any of Tomlinson, Bedford, Weideman, Melksham, ANB who I'd be comfortable moving on.

    It's being reported 850k next year is the asking price salary wise for Bowes.

    Tomlinson, Weid and ANB are all contracted, which makes it difficult, and none of Hunt, Bedford or Melksham off our books gives us huge relief salary wise I wouldn't have thought. Plus, it's not like you can ditch 3-4 players to accommodate 1, we'd still need to bring in other players.

    I'm under the impression we'll be looking to add more younger players this year and next given the contracts we've done and need to do so as tempting as that pick 7 is, I'm not sure that 850k for a player who would be iffy for our 22 is doable for us.

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    Just when I thought the Pies were the worst ever at managing the salary cap

    Enter the Suns

    giving away pick 7?? Just fold now FFS

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    1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

    Would it make sense for Freo to go after Bowes and then use pick 7 as part of the Jackson trade?

     

    This sounds like a good idea, and they did similar last year with Brodie.

    7 + F1st for Jackson and 32

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    8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    It's being reported 850k next year is the asking price salary wise for Bowes.

    Tomlinson, Weid and ANB are all contracted, which makes it difficult, and none of Hunt, Bedford or Melksham off our books gives us huge relief salary wise I wouldn't have thought. Plus, it's not like you can ditch 3-4 players to accommodate 1, we'd still need to bring in other players.

    I'm under the impression we'll be looking to add more younger players this year and next given the contracts we've done and need to do so as tempting as that pick 7 is, I'm not sure that 850k for a player who would be iffy for our 22 is doable for us.

    It's a lot, for sure. And maybe too much. Although it's for one year at that figure. 

    Aside from the players I mentioned, you'd like to know how much we'll have to play with given the money we would have had for Jackson if he stayed. Plus Gawn, Lever and May would all be on significantly less given their age and contract status. But maybe that's been balanced out by us signing on Trac, Oliver and Gus on long deals for significant money. 

    Zero idea. 

    Just want pick 7.

     

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    Gold Coast are after a future 1st round - preferably not from a club likely to finish too high on the ladder, for Bowes and pick 7 this year. Failing to mention that they want that future 1st is lazy journalism and gets a lot of people in unnecessarily here interested! 

    Gold Coast are not giving up Bowes and pick 7 for nothing in return. Maybe we could swing a future 1st from Freo their way, but we'd then have to sort out Bowes contract, and I doubt we'd be able to do that and get Grundy or other targets. 

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    Just now, JimmyGadson said:

    It's a lot, for sure. And maybe too much. Although it's for one year at that figure. 

    Aside from the players I mentioned, you'd like to know how much we'll have to play with given the money we would have had for Jackson if he stayed. Plus Gawn, Lever and May would all be on significantly less given their age and contract status. But maybe that's been balanced out by us signing on Trac, Oliver and Gus on long deals for significant money. 

    Zero idea. 

    Just want pick 7.

    I hear ya for sure, and it's an intriguing one if it's true we do want to go to the draft a bit more this year and next.

    I believe the Bowes figure is around 1.6mil over the next 2 years, so it's more than just that initial year we'd have to worry about. We've made some big re-signings the last couple of years, we'll have Grundy on the books (at least for 600K or so), May and Kozzy next year will both still get pretty decent deals IMO, Lever and Langdon the year after. Plus, there's always the chance we have to overpay JVR a little bit if he's tempted to head home (out of contract next year also).

    I reckon with Jackson gone, compo for Hunt (albeit not much), Tomlinson trade, possibly 1 or 2 others in the mix, then with some 'up-trading' - I could see us having 2x 1st rounders and 2x 2nd rounders this year which the club might be happy with as is.

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    Surely if player and club are both keen to join up, they find a way to make it happen. 5 year contract for $3M? Smooth the $1.6M over a few extra years.

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    it's not just $1.6m over the next 2 years tho, is it? it's $1.6m over the next 2 years then, you'd think, at a bare minimum $0.8m over the two after that

    he's not going to want to sign only a two year deal - he's looking for security of position in the afl system as much as he's looking to FINALLY get paid what gc17 have owed him over a period of time

    it's a big commitment

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    1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

    it's not just $1.6m over the next 2 years tho, is it? it's $1.6m over the next 2 years then, you'd think, at a bare minimum $0.8m over the two after that

    he's not going to want to sign only a two year deal - he's looking for security of position in the afl system as much as he's looking to FINALLY get paid what gc17 have owed him over a period of time

    it's a big commitment

     

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    I'd imagine a team bring Bowes in signs him for 3 years 2 million. That's 666 per year.

    He gets his 825 for 2 years (1.65) and then a third year at 350k to smooth it over.

    Given he's probably worth about 333k you're paying 333k per year extra across the 3 years. 

    My question is what would we prefer over the next 3 years:
    Option A) 2 solid 333k players. For instance Hunt and another player, both of whom might fit the best 22 better.

    Option B) bank that 666k to put towards 1 really important player coming in to the best 22

    Option C) Bowes, who really might not fit the best 22, and pick 7*

    I can see the appeal of option C. But I've said all along I just don't think Bowes is that bad or that expensive that he'll demand pick 7 outright. I still think the Suns will ask for a future first or an early second in return for pick 7 and they won't have interest in our pick. 

    Suddenly we've paid out the chance of signing 1 or 2 important players to improve the team and we've got a pick 8 (post Ashcroft bid) in a draft we're already working to secure a top 10 pick in and we might've given up a future first to do so.

    That's a dangerous part of the draft to have 2 nibbles, particularly when you're in a contending window and won't be prioritising game time or coaching towards young players. 

    I'd want it to be pick 7 straight up and I'd want our coaches to be really keen on Bowes and have a spot for him. If neither of those things are true and we'd be stuck with Bowes and only shuffling a pick up the draft board from next year to this I'd be reluctant. I'd need JT to convince me the pick 7 and any Jackson picks are falling in a very tasty part of the draft in which 2 bites can be important.

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    2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

    Would it make sense for Freo to go after Bowes and then use pick 7 as part of the Jackson trade?

     

    This was my first thought, when I heard about pick 7. Freo are getting rid of quite a few players, you would think it would free up some money. Add pick 7 to pick 8 (from Port, which reportedly may happen) & we have a deal imo

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    55 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

    Gold Coast are after a future 1st round - preferably not from a club likely to finish too high on the ladder, for Bowes and pick 7 this year. Failing to mention that they want that future 1st is lazy journalism and gets a lot of people in unnecessarily here interested! 

    Gold Coast are not giving up Bowes and pick 7 for nothing in return. Maybe we could swing a future 1st from Freo their way, but we'd then have to sort out Bowes contract, and I doubt we'd be able to do that and get Grundy or other targets. 

    This makes sense.  There's no way it's Bowes and 7 for salary dump straight up, the Suns will want something useful in next year's draft back.

    Last year it was Brodie + 19 for 2022 2nd (31) (and steak knives).

    Similar would be Bowes + 7 for 2022 19 - late 1st from a good team, early 2nd from a battler, and steak knives to smooth it out to around the value of 19.

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    I do find it really interesting the idea of overvaluing what you can see and undervaluing what you can't see.

    As soon as posters saw "pick 7 for a salary cap dump and Bowes", they nearly fell over themselves to sign up. The questions of 'how much salary, how much do we have available, how does this fit into our salary strategy/structure' never really pops up because nobody know any of those numbers. It's effectively 'get pick 7 and Bowes for nothing because salary just goes into a magic box and those boffins will sort it out'.

    Every bit of salary we take on is salary that we can't use to bring in a player that we may really need. And that is either this year or in future years, as we can bring salaries forward to create space in future years. 

    In our situation, is spending nearly 7% of our salary cap for 2 years in the middle of our premiership window really worth pick 7 (minus change) and Jack Bowes?

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    The other thing that will come into play here, is the amount of picks Gold Coast has this year, and the fact that they are trying to reduce their list size as it is (given previous list concessions being wound back). This year (2022 draft) they already have 2 extra 2nd round picks, 1 extra 3rd round and an extra 4th. Throw in the near guarantee of getting pick 5 for Rankine, trying to get deals done for Corbett/Sharp/Fiorini going out and Long coming in and Gold Coast shape to be one of the most active traders around.

    They'll be trying to move all those 2nds/3rds/4ths up the order - maybe with Brisbane so they only have 1st round picks this year, and set themselves up with a big haul for next year too. 

     

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    Pick 8 contains some great names like Serong, Bartel, Corey and the upside of Tarryn Thomas and Peter Wright. But it also has Mayes, Longer, Butcher, Vickery, Ah Chee.

    For the same salary we could have got Amon or McStay this year and I assume we’ll be hunting similar or better players next year.

    In our window of contending I’m taking the player(s) over the risk of the pick.

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    5 hours ago, Kent said:

    we dont need to trade for Grundy in my view

    They will give him away eventually

    That’s why I don’t know why people are suggesting we give them a first round pic we get from Jackson 

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    Bizarre that we haven't been mentioned a club of interest..

    You need to find ways to stay on top of the pack and add talent to your playing list.

    Bowes would be already ahead of 5-6 blokes in our best 22.

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