Farewell Jayden Hunt

[Demonland 70,283]

[Mickey 4,469]

Given he's a UFA and had a pretty good year, I think I'd prefer to keep him. We won't get much in the way of a compo pick.

[Radar Detector 1,347]

Would rather keep Hunt than Hibbo or Melksham. 

[old55 22,826]

Two years isn't enough to keep Jayden, someone will offer more. It just sets the bar for an offer from another club to require 3rd round compensation.

We reportedly upped the offer and signed J.Smith to 2 years after he got interest from Sydney. But I don't think this is necessarily a positive sign for similarly retaining Jayden, quite possibly the reverse.  Particularly with reports Hibbo has been offered a year.

We need list turnover and cap space, and Jayden's exit as a FA with some compensation - pick 51? - seems likely to me.

Edited September 22, 2022 by old55

[Turner 1,489]

if ur hunt you take 2 years at melbourne before you go to wce, especially given you've played 20 games in each of the last two seasons. yes he might want 3-4 years but take the two and back yourself in to get another 1-2 after that

[Lucifers Hero 38,985]

24 minutes ago, old55 said:

Two years isn't enough to keep Jayden, someone will offer more. It just sets the bar for an offer from another club to require 3rd round compensation.

We reportedly upped the offer and signed J.Smith to 2 years after he got interest from Sydney. But I don't think this is necessarily a positive sign for similarly retaining Jayden, quite possibly the reverse.  Particularly with reports Hibbo has been offered a year.

We need list turnover and cap space, and Jayden's exit as a FA with some compensation - pick 51? - seems likely to me.

Firstly, losing Hunt makes me very sad.

Re the FA compensation.  I would have thought an end of 2nd round pick approx # 37 especially if we do what other clubs do and get the receiving club to make the first two years $ of the contract such that he falls into this category ie top $50% of players.

[mo64 5,491]

Would rather keep Hunt than accept a paltry compo pick. 

He offers pace in the backline which is important on offense and defence.

 

[Adam The God 29,392]

Quite happy for Jayden to explore his options. Bowey has the same pace, but is cleaner and has elite ball use. Jayden should be a back up next year and Bowey should be in the team ahead of him.

Edited September 29, 2022 by A F

[Abyssal 435]

Play him on the opposite Wing to Langdon.

Use his speed to our best advantage.

Too shaky in one on ones in defence.

[Sir Why You Little 36,653]

Speed is crucial on the MCG

I would be keeping Hunt

[Bates Mate 4,425]

14 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Play him on the opposite Wing to Langdon.

Use his speed to our best advantage.

Too shaky in one on ones in defence.

I agree. Gotta be a better option than spargo on a wing which was tried this year. He needs to be more offensive of HBF , although opposition coaches tended to try exploit his poor one on one and limit his offensive run and often dragged their forward  deep

Edited September 22, 2022 by Bates Mate

[Redleg 40,211]

59 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Would rather keep Hunt than accept a paltry compo pick. 

He offers pace in the backline which is important on offense and defence.

 

Yes I can see that. I have always been a Hunt fan.

I stand to be corrected as I obviously don't know the actual figures, but if we assumed Hunt $400k, Hibbo $500k, Melk $500k and Baker $150k that is $1550m and say Bowes backended contract if $700k. We have $850k next year to use.

Would you let Hunt go, delist Hibbo, Baker and Melk, get Bowes and pick7, a compo pick for Hunt and have more salary cap room to deal with?

I would.

Actually could still keep Hunt and be ahead on salary cap and have 7.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Redleg

[Lord Nev 13,512]

52 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Play him on the opposite Wing to Langdon.

Use his speed to our best advantage.

Too shaky in one on ones in defence.

Can't help but feel the opposite tbh. I thought he played some of his best footy of the year as a lockdown defender.

His disposal and decision making would cost us too much on turnovers on the wing.

[Abyssal 435]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Can't help but feel the opposite tbh. I thought he played some of his best footy of the year as a lockdown defender.

His disposal and decision making would cost us too much on turnovers on the wing.

Each to their own.

For mine, his best moments this year were in the last minutes against Carlton, winning the ball near the centre, using his pace and getting it in deep.

His worst moments were getting caught out in a one in one marking contest as the last defender as well as  losing his man at a stoppage near goal.

[mo64 5,491]

6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Can't help but feel the opposite tbh. I thought he played some of his best footy of the year as a lockdown defender.

His disposal and decision making would cost us too much on turnovers on the wing.

The narrative of Hunt having poor disposal and decision making is overblown on Demonland. Over the past 2 years he has tidied up in both areas.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Each to their own.

For mine, his best moments this year were in the last minutes against Carlton, winning the ball near the centre, using his pace and getting it in deep.

His worst moments were getting caught out in a one in one marking contest as the last defender as well as  losing his man at a stoppage near goal.

Maybe I've got some confirmation bias happening, but I have far more memories of him running himself into trouble, making poor decisions, kicking it badly and being caught trying to run too far, than I do of him using his pace to get out of trouble and delivering well.

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, mo64 said:

The narrative of Hunt having poor disposal and decision making is overblown on Demonland. Over the past 2 years he has tidied up in both areas.

You mean when he's mostly played as a deep defender? He still turns it over nearly a third of the time he has it.

Across 2021 and 2022, he averaged nearly 3 times as many turnovers as he did in 2020. Not sure that counts as a tidy up.

[Adam The God 29,392]

59 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Yes I can see that. I have always been a Hunt fan.

I stand to be corrected as I obviously don't know the actual figures, but if we assumed Hunt $400k, Hibbo $500k, Melk $500k and Baker $150k that is $1550m and say Bowes backended contract if $700k. We have $850k next year to use.

Would you let Hunt go, delist Hibbo, Baker and Melk, get Bowes and pick7, a compo pick for Hunt and have more salary cap room to deal with?

I would.

Actually could still keep Hunt and be ahead on salary cap and have 7.

Again, who plays on the small forwards next year?

It's all well and good to look at this from a numbers perspective, but IMV Hibberd is very much a required played unless all of a sudden Maynard was available or someone of that ilk and ability.

Edited September 22, 2022 by A F

[Ethan Tremblay 30,027]

The way I see it is, we have two options: re-sign him or let him go. 

[Adam The God 29,392]

Yep, good thinking, ET. Always on the ball. Keep your ear to the ground.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Yes I can see that. I have always been a Hunt fan.

I stand to be corrected as I obviously don't know the actual figures, but if we assumed Hunt $400k, Hibbo $500k, Melk $500k and Baker $150k that is $1550m and say Bowes backended contract if $700k. We have $850k next year to use.

Would you let Hunt go, delist Hibbo, Baker and Melk, get Bowes and pick7, a compo pick for Hunt and have more salary cap room to deal with?

I would.

Actually could still keep Hunt and be ahead on salary cap and have 7.

There's no way we'd be paying Melksham and Hibberd anywhere near 500k next year.

[Travy14 1,822]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Firstly, losing Hunt makes me very sad.

Re the FA compensation.  I would have thought an end of 2nd round pick approx # 37 especially if we do what other clubs do and get the receiving club to make the first two years $ of the contract such that he falls into this category ie top $50% of players.

I love you optimism but unless they are paying him $600k over 5 years it will be a mid 3rd rounder.

 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Yes I can see that. I have always been a Hunt fan.

I stand to be corrected as I obviously don't know the actual figures, but if we assumed Hunt $400k, Hibbo $500k, Melk $500k and Baker $150k that is $1550m and say Bowes backended contract if $700k. We have $850k next year to use.

Would you let Hunt go, delist Hibbo, Baker and Melk, get Bowes and pick7, a compo pick for Hunt and have more salary cap room to deal with?

I would.

Actually could still keep Hunt and be ahead on salary cap and have 7.

Hibbo wouldn't be on that much he signed a 1 year deal last year.  And Baker would be on at least $350 as even rookies get that amount.

Melksham signed a 3 year deal,  so 500ish would probs be around the mark I think.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

12 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

And Baker would be on at least $350 as even rookies get that amount.

That's incorrect. I think you're getting confused with the average salary, which is now around 370k.

Going by 2021 figures, there are more players in the 100k to 200k bracket than any other.

Source: Back in the money: Who are the AFL's million-dollar men?

Edited September 22, 2022 by Lord Nev

[Abyssal 435]

32 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Maybe I've got some confirmation bias happening, but I have far more memories of him running himself into trouble, making poor decisions, kicking it badly and being caught trying to run too far, than I do of him using his pace to get out of trouble and delivering well.

“Confirmation bias”     ???

Do you mean Your opinion ?

[mo64 5,491]

33 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

You mean when he's mostly played as a deep defender? He still turns it over nearly a third of the time he has it.

Across 2021 and 2022, he averaged nearly 3 times as many turnovers as he did in 2020. Not sure that counts as a tidy up.

He only played 6 games in 2020, and as a forward. Played 20 games in 2021/2022 as a defender. Nice try.