7 minutes ago, IRW said:

Yeah but he's not a vote winner for umpires .half the time he's out of sight under a pack and then Trac gets the ball in free air

Clarry is a reigning two time champion player of the year (Coaches'), had a better individual season compared to 2021 and Trac had a worse individual season in 2022 :

Oliver votes in 2021 - 31

Oliver votes in 2022 - 25 

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1 hour ago, #11-TonyAnderson said:

This award is meant to be for the best and fairest. It lost all credibility when DiPierdomenico won it in 1986 and so it continues this year - Cripps should have been suspended and been ineligible in my opinion. I wonder if Ah Chee thinks he is the fairest?

Hear hear! In fact it is not even best & fairest. It's fairest & best. Which is why a guy like Woewodin can win it. An anomaly that Robbie never did. And the Dipper thing was when the "fairest" aspect was mysteriously overlooked, seemingly for ever more.

So they fiddled with the votes, and fiddled with the winner to make it look closer.

Is this award now just another example of umpire incompetence, or that the award is just structurally wrong in that an "equivalent" player (Cripps - Oliver) in a poorly performing team is judged a better player overall because his team finished ninth and he plays with fewer stars? (or both).

The introduction of the coaches award really puts a spotlight not only on the best judged player overall in the league, but week to week nominations. How the umpires could see the best three so differently - Petracca gets mid range votes from one coach only but best on ground from the umpires. Neale gets 4 from one coach only.

Round 23 Brownlow votes:

3 - Petracca

2 - Oliver

1 - Neale

Round 23 coaches votes:

10 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
7 Kysaiah Pickett (MELB)
4 Lachie Neale (BL)
3 Christian Petracca (MELB)
2 Luke Jackson (MELB)
2 Jake Lever (MELB)
1 Bayley Fritsch (MELB)
1 Angus Brayshaw (MELB)

If a team loses by more than 40 points it should take ridiculous effort from losing side player (six goals plus or 40 possessions and two goals) to even get a look in at votes.

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

If a team loses by more than 40 points it should take ridiculous effort from losing side player (six goals plus or 40 possessions and two goals) to even get a look in at votes.

On top of that the context of those numbers. Neale got 1 vote from Rd 23 for accumulating stats in junk time once the Dees put the game to sleep in the first half.

48 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Because the media sites are all so useless it's impossible to get the full leaderboard ... I could only get the top 11 from The Age. Cameron the only non-mid in it.

The AFL website and app have a Brownlow Tracker where you can see the full leaderboard.

For christ's sake why do people get their balls in a knot over the brownlow votes, it's an umpires award always has been and will be it's no different to coaches award, media awards or any other award it's subject to their interpretation time to move on and stop being petty that Clarry did not win it, even the so called experts had Neale, Cripps as to contenders.

8 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Steven May with zero votes  amazed me. He had some ripper games. Oh, I forgot ,he's a defender!

i was amazed that he was there tbh - i thought if you were suspended in-season then you automatically didn't get an invite but i suppose his suspension was internal

14 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If a team loses by more than 40 points it should take ridiculous effort from losing side player (six goals plus or 40 possessions and two goals) to even get a look in at votes.

Think you might want to think this one through....

Enjoyed Trac's reaction when Mihocek got the three votes in the QB game. Good thing he wasn't eating or drinking at the time, as he would have made a mess of the table..

9 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Steven May with zero votes  amazed me. He had some ripper games. Oh, I forgot ,he's a defender!

Ridiculous. Couldn't even get one vote when he totally embarrassed Buddy.

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Hear hear! In fact it is not even best & fairest. It's fairest & best. Which is why a guy like Woewodin can win it. An anomaly that Robbie never did. And the Dipper thing was when the "fairest" aspect was mysteriously overlooked, seemingly for ever more.

Libba!

I’m glad Cripps won it over Neale. There’s no way Neale is as good as everyone says he is. He was pulling votes in almost every Brisbane game where he had no right to (rnd 23 in particular). Neale has a real nice guy attitude which is why I think the umps love him so much. 

Honestly can’t fathom how Miocek got 3 votes against us. I thought Cox maybe, but that was just bizarre.

This happens year on year with the umpires. We really need to peg down the Brownlow to a middle tier award but the whole ceremony and red carpet just inflates the importance of it.

Cripps should have been suspended. Ah Chee missed football with concussion as a direct result of Cripp's careless action. It's pretty simple and this Brownlow will always be * to me.

However, those suggesting that the AFL knew the Brownlow votes at that time and deliberately conspired to enable him to win it are on crack.

Edited September 19, 20222 yr by old55

9 minutes ago, old55 said:

Ridiculous. Couldn't even get one vote when he totally embarrassed Buddy.

That was in a final. 

1 minute ago, old55 said:

Cripps should have been suspended. Ah Chee missed football with concussion as a direct result of Cripp's careless action. It's pretty simple and this Brownlow will always be * to me.

However, those suggesting that the AFL knew the Brownlow votes at that time and deliberately conspired to enable him to win it are on crack.

Mmmmm.  
Needs to revert to the title after Jab won it - the Downlow 

1 minute ago, monoccular said:

 

Why the faceplam for my post.  Finals don't count for the Brownlow.

3 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

That was in a final. 

So it was.

Still wouldn't have got a vote 😀

Edited September 19, 20222 yr by old55

End of the day it is not Cripps fault that the AFL refuses to in-force it's on rules "on big name players anyway" As for the Brownlow it's always been an Umpires award and a few total unknowns have won it in the past. PS you can play in a 12 goal losing side and still be best afield, just like Robbie Flower did many times.  

10 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

We will never win a Brownlow due to Clarry and Trac taking votes off each other.

I dont agree with this thinking. You cant get the 3 2 and 1 vote. Somebody has to get the other votes. Did it stop Cotchin/Martin, Ablett/Bartel or Voss/Black/Aker all winning it from the same teams.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before (haven't read this entire thread because I think the Brownlow is rubbish) but I was pleased (and somewhat surprised) to read this. Maybe Gil isn't the complete company man I thought.  Maybe it was easier to write as he is on the way out.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-patrick-cripps-brownlow-medal-suspension-hit-on-callum-ah-chee-appeals-board-gillon-mclachlan-comments/news-story/f4603f6834cd9f3e70c0d3d882c885d9

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If a team loses by more than 40 points it should take ridiculous effort from losing side player (six goals plus or 40 possessions and two goals) to even get a look in at votes.

I'm interested in this view point. Why do you think the end result should so heavily impact how are judged the best players? (I'm not trying to be a smart-[censored] here).  there are 44 players in the game, one team wins by 10 goals, I personally think a player from the losing side can get votes if he is worthy based on the performance.  If a gun plays for a average team like Miller, I think the elite performances should be rewarded

37 minutes ago, old55 said:

Cripps should have been suspended. Ah Chee missed football with concussion as a direct result of Cripp's careless action. It's pretty simple and this Brownlow will always be * to me.

However, those suggesting that the AFL knew the Brownlow votes at that time and deliberately conspired to enable him to win it are on crack.

I think the AFL had their own agenda. 

Firstly he's a big name player.

Secondly Carlton were on the verge of making finals for the first time in a decade and were pulling massive crowds to games

Thirdly it was clear that Cripps would feature heavily in the Brownlow. He had a great year and few at Carlton would steal votes off him, as Walsh had just an OK season and forwards don't win votes.

As we all know, when it comes to certain players and clubs, the AFL likes to turn a blind eye to enable the best financial outcome for themselves. Cripps playing increases the chance of Carlton making finals, which increases the windfall for the AFL. It's that simple.