Head high tackles

[rjay 24,939]

36 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Neil Sachse who passed away recently became a quadriplegic when charging low into an oncoming player. Though his injury was accidental as he appeared to stumble, a player deliberately dropping to his knees to milk a high tackle or going in head first to a tackle is at risk of the same sort of devastating neck or head injury. Slow motion replay showed that his head hit the oncoming Fitzroy players knee.

 

I can't look at this 'John', it scares the hell out of me.

Whenever I see a player going head first into a tackle I just can't help but yell at the TV...I know Sachse was an accident but some players are trusting their luck by deliberately going into the oncoming tackler. These players need to get weeks for not only putting themselves at risk but also the poor player (tackler) who would also have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

Edited July 20, 2022 by rjay

[John Crow Batty 8,869]

14 hours ago, daisycutter said:

and how often did selwood end up with cuts and blood on his head from this technique. instead of people being worried about head injuries they kept saying how brave he was. he's been called duckwood for as long as i can remember.

Will he sue the AFL if he develops a brain injury after he’s retired? 

[Robbie57 2,020]

Bevo says its a media beat up:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/802956/bevo-blasts-afl-over-head-high-tackle-crackdown

Sorry Danger and Bevo in my view you need to get the rose (freekick) coloured glasses off. In Bevo's case lets call a duck a duck rather than blame the media.

 

[Macca 16,972]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Macca, I agree. The point I was making is that the AFL has to manage the game's evolution to ensure it continues to be enjoyable and safe for the players. The mantra that the AFL should not make rule changes and "leave the game alone" just doesn't make any sense to me.

If it were left to the coaches, they would ruin the game as a spectacle.

 

It's  360° game so the rules are always going to be exploited ... we may be just witnessing the tip of the iceberg

Need better custodians

[Macca 16,972]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

"The custodians can't just stand idly by and only concentrate on the money and the revenues.."

 

Maybe this is exactly what they are thinking about now .... retrospective law suits and payouts because they have failed in their duty of care.

It's always about the money but if you've got great systems, structures & standards the money will flow as a matter of course

So the custodians wait for the proverbial to hit the fan before acting?  Bad governance

[rjay 24,939]

1 hour ago, Robbie57 said:

Bevo says its a media beat up:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/802956/bevo-blasts-afl-over-head-high-tackle-crackdown

Sorry Danger and Bevo in my view you need to get the rose (freekick) coloured glasses off. In Bevo's case lets call a duck a duck rather than blame the media.

 

Bevo rambles on like he's on the p....

I don't know how his players understand what he's on about.

...and Danger has skin (Selwood) in the game.

[Lucifers Hero 39,868]

3 hours ago, Robbie57 said:

Bevo says its a media beat up:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/802956/bevo-blasts-afl-over-head-high-tackle-crackdown

Sorry Danger and Bevo in my view you need to get the rose (freekick) coloured glasses off. In Bevo's case lets call a duck a duck rather than blame the media.

I could name at least half a dozen bulldogs players that lift the arm like Ginnivan does.

Apparently, Scott said that Selwood is merely 'evading the tackle' not 'leaning into the tackle'!  What a joke of a comment!  He says we have a league wide problem with players lifting their arms/dropping knees etc but not at his club!

Both coaches have a lot invested as their players get a lot of cheap frees so no wonder they want to keep the status quo.  Both clubs' players would be the worst at staging for various types of frees'

Edited July 20, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[layzie 33,814]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

Bevo rambles on like he's on the p....

I don't know how his players understand what he's on about.

...and Danger has skin (Selwood) in the game.

Bevo needs to think more about why he's not under the slightest bit of pressure for his job. 

[Demonland 72,217]

[Macca 16,972]

9 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Was there no player before Selwood who dropped at the knees and/or raised the arms to get a head-high free kick? He may be the most proficient, but I find it hard to believe that Selwood was the first. Having said that, I can't think of anyone.

I can't think of anyone either ... but the only  staging for high contact way back when was generally ducking the head and back in the day, at all levels, that practice was frowned upon and those who ducked their heads were generally pinged for holding the ball

Most of the other staging was for holding the man with players regularly having their arms outstretched (flapping) to accentuate the contact (every now and again Clarrie does it and it always looks comical! ... and it never works!)

Diving forward after being tackled from behind was also practised a fair bit as was accentuating a push in the back in marking contests

But the game was much more open decades ago so the umps had a far greater chance to differentiate what was authentic and what wasn't authentic

Nowadays, there are a myriad of players around numerous contests so the sport is now indinitely more difficult to adjudicate correctly

There's cause & effect at play here and the first thing I'd do is reduce the amount of players on the field to 16 a side.  And slash the interchange numbers by at least half

Make the game more open and free flowing and then it's way easier for the umpires ... and the umpires should be full time as well (part time umpires in a fully professional league doesn't make sense)

But the umpires aren't at fault with all the staging for high contact that goes on ... it's a rules of the game issue (AFL)

Edited July 20, 2022 by Macca

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,293]

Sorry this comes from TikTok, I couldn’t find a YouTube version, but how was this not a high tackle? Sure enough the first two he ducks and it’s rightly called play on, the third tackle is a still a high tackle:

 

 

[DubDee 25,889]

Now that this Selwood rule is in, surely Joel retires after the usual Cats prelim exit this year?

10 years of top 4 and 1 GF loss to show for it.  It's an equalised comp Cats, go down and take your lumps like the rest of us

[Mincho Mania 530]

Just listening to McGuire comment on this subject, he's sooooooooooo full of [censored].

Expect a raft of broken jaws and concussions from here on because of the rule change, an absolute clown!

[Macca 16,972]

5 minutes ago, Larry, Moe or Curly said:

Just listening to McGuire comment on this subject, he's sooooooooooo full of [censored].

Expect a raft of broken jaws and concussions from here on because of the rule change, an absolute clown!

Eddie never makes any sense when he goes into supporter mode

Tries to justify his alarmist comments with more alarmist conclusions

He's a walking contradiction

I'm not sure I've ever met a reasonably minded Collingwood supporter though.  They are all a law unto themselves with chips on their shoulders the size of Mars

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,803]

15 hours ago, Macca said:

I can't think of anyone either ... but the only  staging for high contact way back when was generally ducking the head and back in the day, at all levels, that practice was frowned upon and those who ducked their heads were generally pinged for holding the ball

Most of the other staging was for holding the man with players regularly having their arms outstretched (flapping) to accentuate the contact (every now and again Clarrie does it and it always looks comical! ... and it never works!)

Diving forward after being tackled from behind was also practised a fair bit as was accentuating a push in the back in marking contests

But the game was much more open decades ago so the umps had a far greater chance to differentiate what was authentic and what wasn't authentic

Nowadays, there are a myriad of players around numerous contests so the sport is now indinitely more difficult to adjudicate correctly

There's cause & effect at play here and the first thing I'd do is reduce the amount of players on the field to 16 a side.  And slash the interchange numbers by at least half

Make the game more open and free flowing and then it's way easier for the umpires ... and the umpires should be full time as well (part time umpires in a fully professional league doesn't make sense)

But the umpires aren't at fault with all the staging for high contact that goes on ... it's a rules of the game issue (AFL)

The other form of staging which is less prevalent today was when players claimed to have touched a ball on its way through the goals. Video review technology, while imperfect, has probably stopped a lot of the more egregious claims.  

I wouldn't reduce the number of players on the ground to 16, but I would consider reducing interchange numbers drastically either by getting rid of interchange altogether and replacing it with player exchange (like the old 19th and 20th men), or limiting it to something like four per quarter (plus additional for blood rule and potential concussions), or reducing the number of players in interchange from four plus the sub to two. or some combination of these measures.

[tiers 2,840]

13 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Sorry this comes from TikTok, I couldn’t find a YouTube version, but how was this not a high tackle? Sure enough the first two he ducks and it’s rightly called play on, the third tackle is a still a high tackle:

 

 

All three are free kicks as, in each case,  the initial tackle was high and Kozzie's ducking did not move the tackler's arm to over the shoulder.

The test is always where the initial contact was made.

Edited July 21, 2022 by tiers
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[monoccular 17,432]

Surely the determining factor should simply be between:

- player down to collect the ball and taken high - high tackle

- player with the ball already, sees tackle coming and ducks - holding the ball

[redandbluemakepurple 358]

On 7/20/2022 at 2:51 PM, rjay said:

Bevo rambles on like he's on the p....

I don't know how his players understand what he's on about.

...and Danger has skin (Selwood) in the game.

It is a pity that Bevo missed the 1983 TV Week Dynasty/Dallas special.

Especially, the ten top tips for Evil Twins,  

1/  The goatee beard sort of gives the game away

2/  Wind back the crazy talk

3 to 10/  it's the beard again.

[John Crow Batty 8,869]

Jack Ginnivan gets a high free denied and the media goes berserk with outrage. Just another example of media flogging a horse from both ends. He did go low and raised his arm to draw the high free though the tackle may have gone high to start with. 50/50 call but the correct decision IMO. Helps further discourage players going in low and raising arm in tackle.

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1551081604302327810?s=20&t=K0hqUD1layOKnUki0gRigQ

Edited July 25, 2022 by John Crow Batty

[Macca 16,972]

On 7/25/2022 at 11:53 AM, John Crow Batty said:

Jack Ginnivan gets a high free denied and the media goes berserk with outrage. Just another example of media flogging a horse from both ends. He did go low and raised his arm to draw the high free though the tackle may have gone high to start with. 50/50 call but the correct decision IMO. Helps further discourage players going in low and raising arm in tackle.

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1551081604302327810?s=20&t=K0hqUD1layOKnUki0gRigQ

Spot on, JCB

He quickly lowered his centre of gravity by about 25cm - 30cm as well as leaning his head into the tackler ... 100% the correct decision

Most tackles are around the elbow area (pin the arms) which is about 25cm lower than the neck area

The lingering high contact? All Ginnevan's doing ... he plays for frees and is a cheat

The bleating is just typical ... any excuse to blame the umpires.  It's quite pathetic

 

[Macca 16,972]

The AFL admitting the so-called error (Ginnevan high contact) is just bowing to public pressure in my view

Another typically weak way of dealing with the cheating that has been going on for decades now

To counteract against the new ruling players might want to free both arms above their head, take the tackle in the midriff and then release the ball with an effective handpass ... Geoff Raines was a specialist at doing the above ... Robbie Flower as well (on occasions)

 

[daisycutter 29,616]

On 7/25/2022 at 11:53 AM, John Crow Batty said:

Jack Ginnivan gets a high free denied and the media goes berserk with outrage. Just another example of media flogging a horse from both ends. He did go low and raised his arm to draw the high free though the tackle may have gone high to start with. 50/50 call but the correct decision IMO. Helps further discourage players going in low and raising arm in tackle.

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1551081604302327810?s=20&t=K0hqUD1layOKnUki0gRigQ

incorrect call

i've watched it slo-mo frame by frame.  essendon player went in too high. no question. there was no arm raised to push it high.i don't think ginnivan went low before first contact which was high to begin with.

[kev martin 9,939]

13 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

incorrect call

i've watched it slo-mo frame by frame.  essendon player went in too high. no question. there was no arm raised to push it high.i don't think ginnivan went low before first contact which was high to begin with.

[May have been mentioned earlier.]

I think he leant into the tackle. This lowers his shoulder, places his head into the tackler and puts his main body area in a position that is less capable of being hit.

Not exactly bending the knees, nor raising the arm, though possibly the lean is more effective. 

He plays for the frees. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by kev martin

[rjay 24,939]

9 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

incorrect call

i've watched it slo-mo frame by frame.  essendon player went in too high. no question. there was no arm raised to push it high.i don't think ginnivan went low before first contact which was high to begin with.

 

On 7/25/2022 at 11:53 AM, John Crow Batty said:

Just another example of media flogging a horse from both ends

 

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

The AFL admitting the so-called error (Ginnevan high contact) is just bowing to public pressure in my view

 

It might have been an incorrect call...I thought he dropped but couldn't find the slo-mo.

More importantly it didn't need to be addressed by the AFL and the media only beat it up for Collingwood views..

Since when do the AFL comment on every 50/50 decision being made.

They have addressed the issue last week and that should be it. If you are a serial ducker, dropper, actor then you can expect to be on the wrong side of some of these.

The carping on from Collingwood and the Dogs is a pain in the a...

[Macca 16,972]

28 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

incorrect call

i've watched it slo-mo frame by frame.  essendon player went in too high. no question. there was no arm raised to push it high.i don't think ginnivan went low before first contact which was high to begin with.

 

Watch it again and watch Ginnevan's knees and watch his hips ... and take note of how he leans his head against the tackler

As previously stated ... only about 25cm - 30cm of lowering is required to milk high contact

And the umpire was on to it

A great decision

Edited July 26, 2022 by Macca