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Is David Noble the new Mark Neeld?

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2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Cross, Vince, Burns and Lewis were a key, often underrated part of our road to the Holy Grail.

So underrated I dont even know who Burns is

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    2 minutes ago, Jontee said:

    So underrated I dont even know who Burns is

    Ooops!  Spelling error. 

    Should be Byrnes (Shannon).  Played 23 games for us 2013-2014.  Until this year our development coach then poached by Geelong.

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    1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

    North Melbourne did this to themselves.

    They finished mid table for a decade, and hence were never in a position to acquire top end talent, both in the draft or trade period.

    They then decided it was time to rebuild and bottom out hard, and dumped literally every mature player. That left them with a list of inexperienced kids and a massive reliance on 2 older heads one who is sadly battling cancer and one who is quickly coming to the end. 

    They should have learned from the Bailey experience. Pretty much how that unfolded.

    It's one thing to want to "get games into the kids as a group". It's another to have them learning some recognisable kind of footy while they're doing it.

    Without older wiser heads, you end up with a bunch of kids young men who got games into them as a group, who have no idea how to win.

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    4 hours ago, Demonland said:

    For those that didn't watch On The Couch they talked about the comparison with the Dees of 2013 at the top of the show.

     

    Gaz: “St Kilda got the cheat sheet from the Hawks (vs. us) match but forgot to bring it on Sunday.” LOL. 

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    They sold off all their players and are now finding out what that does 

    it’s not Rocket Science 

    10 years of pain 

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    46 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

    They should have learned from the Bailey experience. Pretty much how that unfolded.

    It's one thing to want to "get games into the kids as a group". It's another to have them learning some recognisable kind of footy while they're doing it.

    Without older wiser heads, you end up with a bunch of kids young men who got games into them as a group, who have no idea how to win.

    Yep, we also had lots of great draft picks that we wasted, which didn't help.

    At least they have some decent kids they have picked up recently. Their issue will be keeping them together if they continue to get thrashed. 

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    1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Ooops!  Spelling error. 

    Should be Byrnes (Shannon).  Played 23 games for us 2013-2014.  Until this year our development coach then poached by Geelong.

    I think Byrnes’ contribution came more when he became our welfare officer. He was basically cooked when he turned up in 2013 and didn’t get near the onfield impact Cross, Vince or Lewis had (albeit that they were on the home straight of their respective careers).

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    2 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

    I think Byrnes’ contribution came more when he became our welfare officer. He was basically cooked when he turned up in 2013 and didn’t get near the onfield impact Cross, Vince or Lewis had (albeit that they were on the home straight of their respective careers).

    True but he was still a 'mature body' to help the kids and gave us some leadership before the other 3 arrived.

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    As someone else mentioned in this thread, just because Brisbane appointed a 55-60 year old journey man assistant coach/long term administrator that turned out to be a success story, it didn't simply mean that this was the template going forward that North should follow.

    You'd have to imagine that Noble would not have been even remotely considered if it were not for Fagan's success story (albeit no flag to show yet)

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    I still don't understand why they traded Brown for peanuts.

    They either should have kept him to help their young forwards, take the best defender away and be a great role model on and off the field, or they should have traded him a year earlier when he was in great form/fitness for a premium.

    I understand Brown was not treated very well by them in the hub, which meant he could have walked anyway as he was OOC, but the whole thing was handled poorly, and knowing the character of Ben Brown I doubt he would have left them high and dry anyway. 

    Either way, thank you North. 

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    2 hours ago, Salems Lot said:

    And now this:

     

     

    Slobbo and Gerard asked him if he saw himself at North long term and he gave the cliché answer that he's a loyal guy that loves the club. But you could tell that he found the question awkward to answer and hates getting flogged week in week out.

    I don't like North at all but I'd be disappointed if JHF ditched them at the earliest oppo.

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    Just now, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    As someone else mentioned in this thread, just because Brisbane appointed a 55-60 year old journey man assistant coach/long term administrator that turned out to be a success story, it didn't simply mean that this was the template going forward that North should follow.

    You'd have to imagine that Noble would not have been even remotely considered if it were not for Fagan's success story (albeit no flag to show yet)

    Also a completely different club at a completely different lifecycle stage. 

    Brisbane had a decent list with some good players already hitting their prime.

    North need a culture builder and someone who can nurture and nourish a young club and get that buy in. I think McRae at Collingwood is doing just that and he would have been a better option for them. Hell even Sam Mitchell who I thought would be terrible seems to have his team up and about.

    I guess the difference is that both Collingwood and Hawthorn still have some really good solid older leaders who can help the coach drive new strategies. North just have no leadership. Cunnington is a massive loss for them. 

     

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    3 hours ago, durango said:

    I have always believed that coaches are their worst enemy after a bad loss because after the game they should not address the players unitl they have thought things thru even waiting until monday to address the elephant in the room.

    It is too easy to say something outlandish after a bad defeat even during a gameyou have to be composed to get a message across to fatigued minds and bodies.

    The one thing I found interesting was when channel 7 went into the rooms after the a game and the interviews were on players were sitting in groups with the line coaches and were having a chat about the game this apparently is a normal thing for them to have a short debrief before the Monday training session, just a different way to tell them what went right and what went wrong and what will be worked on during the week.  

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    1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    Slobbo and Gerard asked him if he saw himself at North long term and he gave the cliché answer that he's a loyal guy that loves the club. But you could tell that he found the question awkward to answer and hates getting flogged week in week out.

    I don't like North at all but I'd be disappointed if JHF ditched them at the earliest oppo.

    North have ruined there own future. They got rid of 90% of their Senior Players. 
    Ben Brown is playing magnificent footy after his knee was sorted.

    I have zero sympathy for them. I feel sorry for Noble,  Clarko would struggle with this team, who will they beat this year?

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    On 5/10/2022 at 2:57 PM, Jaded No More said:

    North need a culture builder and someone who can nurture and nourish a young club and get that buy in.

    Agree.  It took Goody a couple of seasons to get the players to buy in, and that requires patience and an ability to relate, especially to younger players.

    Noble is 9 years older than Goody so I doubt he will be successful, should have been head of the football dept instead.

    Don't blame JHF for going elsewhere and if his father gets a job at another club it is  on.....😀

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    They played bloody hard for their coach yesterday. We copped a bit of backwash from this topic in my OP..

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    Nice to see Goody show respect to Noble, having a long chat post game instead of celebrating the win.

    Sound as a pound is our Goody

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    At least Norf take risks and try to move the ball through the middle of the ground

    Once their links start to stick, and they will, they’ll be okay

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    19 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

    Neither was Neeld, I presume you mean 186 points.

    What did Essendon beat us by that time? Neeld was coaching wasn't he? May have got the margin wrong but it was a thrashing

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