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So, something that confuses me if what happens if a F/S nominee is selected by another club right at the end of the main draft? Say, pick 88 of an 88 pick draft?

There must be a policy in place for this because otherwise it would be inevitable that a situation like that would happen.

I guess I'm wondering, if we have K Brown nominated, and only one spot left after 6 and 11, are we kind of obliged to take him with our one remaining pick in the 40s?

Only other solution I can think of is that the nominated club must use their next live pick in 'any' draft, which would obviously refer to the rookie draft.

With that in mind... possible pick trade shenanigans still to come with our 40-something pick? Bump it right back to 70 in exchange for a future 3rd or something?

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26 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

So, something that confuses me if what happens if a F/S nominee is selected by another club right at the end of the main draft? Say, pick 88 of an 88 pick draft?

There must be a policy in place for this because otherwise it would be inevitable that a situation like that would happen.

I guess I'm wondering, if we have K Brown nominated, and only one spot left after 6 and 11, are we kind of obliged to take him with our one remaining pick in the 40s?

Only other solution I can think of is that the nominated club must use their next live pick in 'any' draft, which would obviously refer to the rookie draft.

With that in mind... possible pick trade shenanigans still to come with our 40-something pick? Bump it right back to 70 in exchange for a future 3rd or something?

Yeah I expect that if we use 6 and 11, then we'll look to trade 42 out for a future pick and make sure we have enough assets (late points or rookie picks) as needed to draft Kynan, assuming we intend on drafting Kynan.

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33 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

So, something that confuses me if what happens if a F/S nominee is selected by another club right at the end of the main draft? Say, pick 88 of an 88 pick draft?

There must be a policy in place for this because otherwise it would be inevitable that a situation like that would happen.

I guess I'm wondering, if we have K Brown nominated, and only one spot left after 6 and 11, are we kind of obliged to take him with our one remaining pick in the 40s?

Only other solution I can think of is that the nominated club must use their next live pick in 'any' draft, which would obviously refer to the rookie draft.

With that in mind... possible pick trade shenanigans still to come with our 40-something pick? Bump it right back to 70 in exchange for a future 3rd or something?

Everything below pick 74 has a value of 0 points.  Since point matching is required, if someone were to pull shenanigans like that we would be required to match a bid of 0 points.  But would we then be using a main list or rookie list spot on him?  

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On 29/10/2023 at 13:07, bandicoot said:

I seem to be missing something. Brown won mic metro B&F and picked as a starter in VIC best 22 yet is only considered a rookie? 

You'll never make a list manager. McVee the Harold Ball memorial winner, rising star nominee and a clear best 22 player is on our rookie list.

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41 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

You'll never make a list manager. McVee the Harold Ball memorial winner, rising star nominee and a clear best 22 player is on our rookie list.

Think you're completely missing his point here.

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Every time I see footage of Kynan I see someone who can run, hard at the contest and tackles well for his size. I like his work in close too.

To me he projects as a small defender if he can make sure his DE% is up to par. I like the idea of someone with Pig level intensity starting their journey back there.

The timing could work well for us as McVee should be looking to move up the ground by the time Kynan could be ready if his development is on track.

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32 minutes ago, JJJ said:

Every time I see footage of Kynan I see someone who can run, hard at the contest and tackles well for his size. I like his work in close too.

To me he projects as a small defender if he can make sure his DE% is up to par. I like the idea of someone with Pig level intensity starting their journey back there.

The timing could work well for us as McVee should be looking to move up the ground by the time Kynan could be ready if his development is on track.

He's more ANB then Hibberd..

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9 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

 

Everything below pick 74 has a value of 0 points.  Since point matching is required, if someone were to pull shenanigans like that we would be required to match a bid of 0 points.  But would we then be using a main list or rookie list spot on him?  

Also there is a 20% (or 197) points discount for f/s. So I think if a bid comes after 56 we pay zero points to match and just need a list spot.

I doubt we will be willing to take a points deficit into next year, which would devalue our first pick.

So my gut says we are only going to only take him if after pick 56 (ie we won't match a bid earlier than that). Unless we trade out 42 for a future pick plus a late pick (I think it would need to be in the 50s) which covers the points. 

 

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18 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

When did McVee get 'demoted' to the rookie list?

He never left it.  He was drafted as a rookie and remains there, with the promise of elevation to the senior list next year (much as what happened with Disco Turner this year).

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On 09/11/2023 at 13:42, Demon Disciple said:

Ain’t nothing wrong with that, aye.

What? You're saying you've seen him eat broken glass for breakfast. Punch out brick walls with his bare hands. Headbutt a charging bull. Beat Arnie in an arm wrestle. Send Brayden Maynard into next century with a flick of his little finger. Need I go on. 

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On 01/11/2023 at 14:45, Lucifers Hero said:

Hey, DZ.  I'm not sure there is anything to worry about.   

We don't know yet whether we have/haven't committed to taking him.  Let's assume we have decided to not match a bid.  If he doesn't get drafted we can have him train with us over summer and decide whether to take him as an A rookie.  We did the same with Farmer who eventually we did not sign on.

I'm with @deanox that if we don't take him it is because we have enough of his type of player and we need a bit more variety in our list.

 

has he nominated as F/S?

 

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On 08/11/2023 at 22:08, Little Goffy said:

So, something that confuses me if what happens if a F/S nominee is selected by another club right at the end of the main draft? Say, pick 88 of an 88 pick draft?

There must be a policy in place for this because otherwise it would be inevitable that a situation like that would happen.

I guess I'm wondering, if we have K Brown nominated, and only one spot left after 6 and 11, are we kind of obliged to take him with our one remaining pick in the 40s?

Only other solution I can think of is that the nominated club must use their next live pick in 'any' draft, which would obviously refer to the rookie draft.

With that in mind... possible pick trade shenanigans still to come with our 40-something pick? Bump it right back to 70 in exchange for a future 3rd or something?

The draft picks don't have an end point - they are infinite as long as clubs have list spots to fill and are not choosing to pass. As mentioned by RalphiusMaximus however, once you hit a certain point of the draft each pick has 0 points assigned value. So if a club bid on him at pick 88, we can just match the bid and take him if we have a list spot available. The kicker though is having a list spot available to actually draft him, and that may be why delisted Turner.

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9 minutes ago, BScotti said:

has he nominated as F/S?

 

Yes. he and club have nominated. Will very likely become a Demon either by a late draft pick or the rookie draft. The only way he doesn't now is if a club bids on him very high so we choose/can't match it, which appears unlikely.

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25 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

The draft picks don't have an end point - they are infinite as long as clubs have list spots to fill and are not choosing to pass. As mentioned by RalphiusMaximus however, once you hit a certain point of the draft each pick has 0 points assigned value. So if a club bid on him at pick 88, we can just match the bid and take him if we have a list spot available. The kicker though is having a list spot available to actually draft him, and that may be why delisted Turner.

I'll add that the f/s points discount is 20% or 197 points, whichever is greater.

Pick 56 is designated as 194 points.

That means if Kynan is drafted from pick 56 onwards we can match the bid for 0 points. As long as we have a list spot, he is ours if we want him.

If he is bid at pick 55 we would need to pay 10 points, at pick 49 we would pay 90 points, at 43 we'd pay 181 points.

 

If this cost got pushed into next year, 37 points is enough to shift pick 18 to 19. 181 points is enough to shift any pick back at least 1 and probably more picks (except for the top 3 picks).

 

So I suspect that unless we rejig our draft hand on the night, we may only match a bid for him if it comes in the mid 50s or later.

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8 minutes ago, deanox said:

I'll add that the f/s points discount is 20% or 197 points, whichever is greater.

Pick 56 is designated as 194 points.

That means if Kynan is drafted from pick 56 onwards we can match the bid for 0 points. As long as we have a list spot, he is ours if we want him.

If he is bid at pick 55 we would need to pay 10 points, at pick 49 we would pay 90 points, at 43 we'd pay 181 points.

 

If this cost got pushed into next year, 37 points is enough to shift pick 18 to 19. 181 points is enough to shift any pick back at least 1 and probably more picks (except for the top 3 picks).

 

So I suspect that unless we rejig our draft hand on the night, we may only match a bid for him if it comes in the mid 50s or later.

So, I'll bite here.  What happened to our 4th, 5th and 6th round picks as such... or do picks after a certain value have no point value attached and therefore you cannot use to bid on F/S and the like?

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3 hours ago, Ouch! said:

So, I'll bite here.  What happened to our 4th, 5th and 6th round picks as such... or do picks after a certain value have no point value attached and therefore you cannot use to bid on F/S and the like?

 

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I think list spots has something to do with it. I think.

Yeah no biting, it's a good question.

You can only have as many picks as list spots.

We finished 6th for draft purposes so have available:

- Pick 6 (traded in from Freo)

- Pick 14 (first round)

- Pick 36 (second round, traded out to GC)

- Pick 42 (second round, JJ compensation)

- Pick 57 (third round, traded out last year)

- Pick 75 (4th round, traded out to WB last year)

- Pick 93 (5th round)

 

Bold are picks we still have.

 

Technically we have up to 4 primary list spots available now, because we are allowed to have 36-38 primary list players, with the number of rookies reducing for each list spot of 36 we use.

Only picks that can be used on a primary list spot can be taken into the draft for the purpose of points. I.e. you can't stockpile 8 X 2nd round picks for lots of points if you only have a potential for 3 lost spots.

 

Also pick 73 is worth 9 points, and any pick 74 onwards is worth 0 points. So after pick 42, we have no more points.

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