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2022 List and Contract Details

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22 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Agree LH Rosman good size, long kick can take a mark, just injury prone and couldn’t get a good run at it.!!

If he doesn't get a home, I hope we rookie him    He's the sort that could develop later than most if we can afford the time.

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    On 11/26/2021 at 11:31 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

    LATEST POSITION FOR CONTRACT RENEWALS UP TO September 20

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    Updated for Rosman delisting and M. Brown retirement.

     

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    The Original post of this thread on Nov 26, 2021 was:

    The list for our next Premiership 🎏🏆 tilt is:

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    At the excellent suggestion by @La Dee-vina ComediaI have identified the Premiership 🎏🏆players.

    Draftees added are: van Rooyen, Howes, Woewodin as Senior List players and Moniz- Wakefield as a B Rookie.  This gives us one list spot for a senior player if we were take a Delisted FA or and A Rookie in the SSP draft or the mid-year draft.

    Note that Jordon is now officially a senior player.

    Milestone games in the 2022 H & A season could be:

    • 200:  Melksham, T. McDonald
    • 150:  B. Brown, Salem
    • 100:  Hunt

    In terms of 2022 contract renewals:

    • Most of the 2022 OOC's will sort themselves out. 
    • However, Brayshaw and Hunt will both be Restricted Free Agents (See edit below).  I can't imagine that either will want to leave and we would get comp draft picks if they did.  Of interest is the length of Brayshaw's contract given that his contemporaries have long terms. 
    • Jackson is said to be in contract discussions.
    • And of course, we would all love it if Oliver's contract is extended next year rather than wait with much angst to his RFA year of 2023.  Can't see him wanting to leave.
    • I love all our players and don't like to think of departures.  Nonetheless, next years list management could be challenging as those OOC in 2022 are either Premiership 🎏🏆 players or have yet to play a game.  The exceptions are:  Baker, Bedford and Smith.  Hibberd may be a retirement depending on how the youngsters shape up.

    Overall, it is a very stable list for the next few years and is a list that can go back to back.  

    Edit:  @old55has advised that Hunt and Weideman will be 'Unrestricted Free Agents' so have reflected that in the table with 'FA'.  With Brayshaw it is a bit harder to tell whether he will be an RFA or a UFA.  The difference being that with the former if there is an offer to him we can match it.  With the latter it means we can't.

    Late Edit:  Judd Mc Vee added to the A Rookie list. 

    The  only list spot we have left is one B Rookie.

     

    The 2021 Contracts thread can be found here:  

     

    LH - this is an awesome piece of work.

    PS: You need to adjust the premiership icons which are a bit out of whack since the delistings. Thanks TA 

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    3 minutes ago, #11-TonyAnderson said:

    LH - this is an awesome piece of work.

    PS: You need to adjust the premiership icons which are a bit out of whack since the delistings. Thanks TA 

    Cheers for that.  Will fix the icons with next version.

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    On 9/20/2022 at 4:54 PM, Lucifers Hero said:

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    Updated for Rosman's delisting and M.Brown's retirement.

    Shame for Rosman.  Delighted Mitch went out on a Premiership high.

    Edit:  Tomlinson is contracted to 2024.  I will fix info in next version

    Thanks Luci  Really appreciate your ongoing work on this data base

     

    Invaluable reference for me and I'm sure many others on here. Have a great offseason mate see you next season

     

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    28 minutes ago, Kent said:

    Thanks Luci  Really appreciate your ongoing work on this data base

     

    Invaluable reference for me and I'm sure many others on here. Have a great offseason mate see you next season

     

    Thank you.

    I'll start my DL 'offseason' after the Draft and return when training gets serious in the new year.

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    On 9/20/2022 at 4:54 PM, Lucifers Hero said:

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    Updated for Rosman's delisting and M.Brown's retirement.

    Shame for Rosman.  Delighted Mitch went out on a Premiership high.

    Edit:  Tomlinson is contracted to 2024.  I will fix info in next version

    I'm not yet 100% sold on Tomlinson being contracted to 2024 as reported by a reporter this week. Sam McLure has also said on SEN this week he's only got 1 year left. Back in 2019, the AFL website has an article that said until the end of 2023. Fox Sports and The Age said 2024. If I was to bet on it, I would say it's 2023.

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    Still struggling to see why we signed Spargo to 2025.  Lots of question marks still over him and the role/value. Lots of similar type players in other clubs and in/out of the league really.  To extend for 3 years , he must have been on a low $$ contract.  

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    On 9/27/2022 at 8:27 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

    Still struggling to see why we signed Spargo to 2025.  Lots of question marks still over him and the role/value. Lots of similar type players in other clubs and in/out of the league really.  To extend for 3 years , he must have been on a low $$ contract.  

    Yes it is a long contract for a player of his ilk. At least when, the 12 times a game, he has the ball you know it will be used constructively. As you pointed out he is probably on minimal dollars.
    Im more concerned with 4 more years of Salem on what would be considerable more of salary cap pie. 

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    are u going to be updating this per deal @Lucifers Hero or just on mass at the completion of trade period

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    Just now, Turner said:

    are u going to be updating this per deal @Lucifers Hero or just on mass at the completion of trade period

    I'll update gradually for list and draft pick changes.

    atm I'm not quite ready to take Hunt off the list.  😢

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    Updated for:

    • the departures of Jackson, Bedford, Hunt, Rosman and M. Brown.
    • Tomlinson shown OOC at end of 2024 was end of 2023.  Still uncertain.
    • Chandler's promotion altho it won't be official until draft night.  Have assumed draft pick #86 will be used for that.
    • List size information has been updated.
    • Draft pick status for 2022/2023 has been added to the table.

    Players still OOC are:  Baker, Hibberd and Melksham altho the latter two appear certain to be offered one year contracts.

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    9 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

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    Updated for:

    • the departures of Jackson, Bedford, Hunt, Rosman and M. Brown.
    • Tomlinson shown OOC at end of 2024 was end of 2023.  Still uncertain.
    • Chandler's promotion altho it won't be official until draft night.  Have assumed draft pick #86 will be used for that.
    • List size information has been updated.
    • Draft pick status for 2022/2023 has been added to the table.

    Players still OOC are:  Baker, Hibberd and Melksham altho the latter two appear certain to be offered one year contracts.

    Baker is an interesting one. You'd reckon if we were going to delist him ( which was generally considered likely )we would have done it by now.

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    3 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

    Baker is an interesting one. You'd reckon if we were going to delist him ( which was generally considered likely )we would have done it by now.

    Maybe hinges on if we trade for someone like Hunter.

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    On 9/29/2022 at 5:11 PM, FarNorthernD said:

    Yes it is a long contract for a player of his ilk. At least when, the 12 times a game, he has the ball you know it will be used constructively. As you pointed out he is probably on minimal dollars.
    Im more concerned with 4 more years of Salem on what would be considerable more of salary cap pie. 

    Give Salo a chance Champion 2021 and got injured in 1st 5 mins if the season snd was bought back in AFL  too soon as was Rivers Lever who continually got injured. 

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    How long before they can trade Goodwin?

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    Post Trade Week

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    A lot to unpack there.

    Some contract info still to come and those players are in the boxes shaded 'orange'.  I think we will lose Baker as we are getting tight for senior spots.  Based on the current mix we have one spot left unless we go in with more senior players next year.

    Updated for the departure of Sam Weideman and the arrival of Grundy, Schache and Hunter.

    I've included the Draft picks for 2022/23.  We have a very nice little pot to play with:  13, 37.  Freo F1, F2 and our own F1, F2. 

    Amazing to get the calibre of players we have for late draft picks and the loss of loyal servants who deserve to chase opportunities elsewhere:  Bedford, Hunt and Weideman.  And of course there is the wantaway ruckman! 

    On balance we have greatly improved our list.

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    13 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Post Trade Week

    Thanks for this invaluable work! Based on what Tim Lamb said earlier in the week around draft picks we won't use, it sounds like we'll be using two picks in the draft (13 and 37), and it wouldn't surprise me if we packaged one of them with a future 2nd to move up further.

    It looks like the writing is on the wall for Baker, and Hunter's inclusion definitely doesn't bode well for him. It wouldn't surprise me if we re-draft him in the rookie draft, given that the club clearly still rates him a bit (otherwise he would have been chopped at the same time as Rosman).

    After losing Jackson, Daw, and Weid, we obviously need more backup ruckman. Unless we have someone in mind at the draft, you'd expect we'd use at least two rookie spots on rucks, possibly one on a developed ruck from the 2nds leagues or a delisted ruck. I wonder what happens if a decent backup ruck gets delisted by another club - would we increase our list size to bring in a DFA or would we take our chances in the rookie draft?

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    6 minutes ago, Dee man said:

    After losing Jackson, Daw, and Weid, we obviously need more backup ruckman. Unless we have someone in mind at the draft, you'd expect we'd use at least two rookie spots on rucks, possibly one on a developed ruck from the 2nds leagues or a delisted ruck. I wonder what happens if a decent backup ruck gets delisted by another club - would we increase our list size to bring in a DFA or would we take our chances in the rookie draft?

    The AFL has a max list size of 42 players (plus 2 B-Rookies) so to get the DFA ruckman and 2 draftees we would need to have one less A- Rookie compared to the 2022 mix.  

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    1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    The AFL has a max list size of 42 players (plus 2 B-Rookies) so to get the DFA ruckman and 2 draftees we would need to have one less A- Rookie compared to the 2022 mix.  

    Has the 42 list size been finalised? I haven’t found anything on it. I always thought it was going back to pre covid rules of 44 + cat b rookies.

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    10 hours ago, xman97 said:

    Has the 42 list size been finalised? I haven’t found anything on it. I always thought it was going back to pre covid rules of 44 + cat b rookies.

    Haven't seen that but if there is a report for that I'm happy to change the chart.

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    17 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

    Give it a rest.

    Listen cobber if Goodwin and the FD don't think the game and and the list( too slow too small too few skilled kickers) is ok and they just need to change "ins " for "outs" and not remedy some of the above defects with players who are ready to go ,then he wasn't watching the top four in the finals.

     

    The "dynasty " is now off the pace  and likely  fighting for their hold on the finals  not just the double chance and with Clubs building behind them

    Stubborn narrow mind will get found out in a changing game.

    One winter of cloudless skies then .... poof it's a deluge!!

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    On 10/11/2022 at 9:48 AM, IRW said:

    How long before they can trade Goodwin?

    Good one. 👌

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    1 hour ago, IRW said:

    Listen cobber if Goodwin and the FD don't think the game and and the list( too slow too small too few skilled kickers) is ok and they just need to change "ins " for "outs" and not remedy some of the above defects with players who are ready to go ,then he wasn't watching the top four in the finals.

     

    The "dynasty " is now off the pace  and likely  fighting for their hold on the finals  not just the double chance and with Clubs building behind them

    Stubborn narrow mind will get found out in a changing game.

    One winter of cloudless skies then .... poof it's a deluge!!

    All I can see is you have no idea.

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