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Farewell Luke Jackson

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  On 25/07/2022 at 04:43, old55 said:

There is NO way JV ignored an option to LJ because he’s leaving for Freo. Viney wants MFC to win more than anything.

May and Brayshaw in robust discussion was totally fine. Brayshaw was first to May to console him after his clanger intercepted by Bont.

There's no evidence of endemic cultural issues.  We've got a envied culture.

Thank you for pointing this out, saved me the trouble.

I just shake my head at some of the drivel posted on here.

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    Anyone else heard that peanut Craig Hutchison on Footy Classified twice now talk about West Coast walking LJ through to the pre season draft for nothing? WTF is that guy on about? Surely we can't lose out of this if Luke decides that he wants to go back to WA?

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      On 25/07/2022 at 04:25, picket fence said:

    I believe Luke Jackson is massively overated and if we can negotiate well we will be very well compensated with some excellent types that will suit our needs!

    I'm in the same camp. Until i see sustained output week-in-week-out at a high level, then i wont change that opinion. Playing 1.5 quarters in the GF still only counts for 1.5 quarters of great football. Folks on here talk like that quadruples his talent. I'm afraid it doesn't. He still has plenty of upside, but im not convinced its 'generational talent' just yet. There is only a lot of hype.

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      On 25/07/2022 at 04:51, praha said:

    In all seriousness though why would any Victorian team ever recruit a WA talent? I get that *we* got a premiership of which he was a significant contributor but flags are rarer than unobtainium, and losing a top tier draft after only three seasons... well holistically from a broad perspective you just don't take that risk. 

    Seriously, the whole "go home" factor for WA is a little pathetic. These are grown men and they act like they're teenagers coming back from war. If it were a once off or happening towards the end of someone's career then fair enough but after three [censored] seasons? Every single non-WA team is going to look at this and seriously question the risk. We got VERY lucky and it paid off hugely for us.

    I don't care what anyone says, moves like this aren't good for the industry or talent pool.

    Let's seriously think about this. He's in the home of football, playing at the MCG, in one of the best cities in the world, for one of the best teams in the league, for the reigning Premier, and you're telling me that the "allure" of "going home" is greater than staying on for another 3-4 years? After only three years? PLEASSSSSE!

    If he does leave I just cannot avoid to question one of either Jackson's own personality and mentality, or the team culture. The entire situation just seems incredibly bizarre to me. I really don't get it.

    Here in WA, fans say exactly the same. β€œWhy recruit Eastern Staters because they all want to go home after a couple of seasons?”  Cerra is a recent example. It’s a lot more difficult for a WA recruit to return because there are only 2 clubs to choose from. In the East there are 15 clubs to pick from and plenty with salary cap space.

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      On 25/07/2022 at 04:51, praha said:

    In all seriousness though why would any Victorian team ever recruit a WA talent? I get that *we* got a premiership of which he was a significant contributor but flags are rarer than unobtainium, and losing a top tier draft after only three seasons... well holistically from a broad perspective you just don't take that risk. 

    Seriously, the whole "go home" factor for WA is a little pathetic. These are grown men and they act like they're teenagers coming back from war. If it were a once off or happening towards the end of someone's career then fair enough but after three [censored] seasons? Every single non-WA team is going to look at this and seriously question the risk. We got VERY lucky and it paid off hugely for us.

    I don't care what anyone says, moves like this aren't good for the industry or talent pool.

    Let's seriously think about this. He's in the home of football, playing at the MCG, in one of the best cities in the world, for one of the best teams in the league, for the reigning Premier, and you're telling me that the "allure" of "going home" is greater than staying on for another 3-4 years? After only three years? PLEASSSSSE!

    If he does leave I just cannot avoid to question one of either Jackson's own personality and mentality, or the team culture. The entire situation just seems incredibly bizarre to me. I really don't get it.

    Kids are made of different stuff these days. I think its all LJ.

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    Not too bothered either way,as long as we're well compensated.If he leaves,it won't cost a flag or 2.

    Gazza left the Cats and they won another flag

    Rance retired and the Tigers won another 2 flags

    Buddy left the Hawks and they won another 2 flags

     

    The above are 3 superstars of the game and leaving/retiring didn't change their clubs chances of winning future flags,LJ is nowhere near the player of the above three

    Buddy was a Demon supporter growing up,maybe LJ'S money could snag Bud for 2 years.I still can't believe we gave BB 4 years FFS!!! Our time is the next 3-4 years,i'd take Bud in a heartbeat,Browns x 2,Weid and Tmac aren't the answer,c'mon Bud.

     

    Thanks for coming into my office Luke,please take a seat

     

    Now Luke,we believe your progressing very well so far,and that 15 minutes in the GF,Faaaarrrk me,nice grin Luke but let's get serious for a moment shall we.

     

    In front of you is a 7 year contract,yes we're handing out 7 year contracts a lot lately.

     

    Sign it Luke,here, use my pen OR

     

    North Melbourne will take you in the preseason draft Luke.

     

    Melbourne or North Melbourne next season Luke,what do you think Luke?

     

    Umm,can i call me Mom?

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      On 25/07/2022 at 04:43, old55 said:

    There is NO way JV ignored an option to LJ because he’s leaving for Freo. Viney wants MFC to win more than anything.

    May and Brayshaw in robust discussion was totally fine. Brayshaw was first to May to console him after his clanger intercepted by Bont.

    There's no evidence of endemic cultural issues.  We've got a envied culture.

    You're sure of that, are you?

    A guy who is (supposedly gone), running into goal, 30m clear, screaming for the ball and not even considered?

    I'm wearing my tin foil hat

     

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      On 25/07/2022 at 04:51, praha said:

    Seriously, the whole "go home" factor for WA is a little pathetic. These are grown men and they act like they're teenagers coming back from war

    Yes.  Soccer players just laugh at the AFL players 

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      On 25/07/2022 at 04:51, praha said:

    In all seriousness though why would any Victorian team ever recruit a WA talent? I get that *we* got a premiership of which he was a significant contributor but flags are rarer than unobtainium, and losing a top tier draft after only three seasons... well holistically from a broad perspective you just don't take that risk. 

    Seriously, the whole "go home" factor for WA is a little pathetic. These are grown men and they act like they're teenagers coming back from war. If it were a once off or happening towards the end of someone's career then fair enough but after three [censored] seasons? Every single non-WA team is going to look at this and seriously question the risk. We got VERY lucky and it paid off hugely for us.

    I don't care what anyone says, moves like this aren't good for the industry or talent pool.

    Let's seriously think about this. He's in the home of football, playing at the MCG, in one of the best cities in the world, for one of the best teams in the league, for the reigning Premier, and you're telling me that the "allure" of "going home" is greater than staying on for another 3-4 years? After only three years? PLEASSSSSE!

    If he does leave I just cannot avoid to question one of either Jackson's own personality and mentality, or the team culture. The entire situation just seems incredibly bizarre to me. I really don't get it.

    I can understand why - I mean if you were able to go back home on equivalent or more money, close to family/friends etc to a strong team then why wouldn't you? Especially after already winning a flag?

    The AFL should change the contract rules so club's get 4 years out of their draftees because as it stands 2 years is ridiculous for an 18yo who won't come into his prime until he's 24/25.

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      On 25/07/2022 at 05:45, jumbo returns said:

    You're sure of that, are you?

    A guy who is (supposedly gone), running into goal, 30m clear, screaming for the ball and not even considered?

    I'm wearing my tin foil hat

     

    To be fair to @old55 the team has been doing that all year. Bailey is a prime candidate for burning team mates.

    But there have been multiple other examples all year.

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    I agree on a longer initial contract for interstate players just to give them a chance to settle in. And will make them more honest in interviews about if they actually intend to be part of the club 

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      On 25/07/2022 at 03:37, Demon17 said:

    What on earth does this mean?

    "offically"???

    You need to post better than this and context.
    To Whom, is it signed?  Is he leaving Australia,.....?

    If not then its absolutely not official.

    Is it subject to a suitable trade etc.?

    Please advise better than the above.

    πŸ™„ I’ll get a copy of the contract for you next time.  Just passing on the news mate.  Geeze. 

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      On 25/07/2022 at 06:21, Demons11 said:

    πŸ™„ I’ll get a copy of the contract for you next time.  Just passing on the news mate.  Geeze. 

    No need to be so narky D11.  There have been lots of posts saying he is gone where the poster implies they have inside knowledge or use the word official loosely.    It's unreasonable to say 'officially' until it is announced by the club or player. And it is reasonable to ask anyone posting the basis for their statement. If by 'offically' you mean you have a reliable inside source that tells you it has happened, you should simply say so.

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    For those who like conspiracy theories the 3 players from the 2019 draft were automatically given the standard 2 year contract on being drafted.

    IIRC at the end of 2020 all three were offered fresh contracts taking them to the end of 2023.

    LJ finally elected to only agree to a two year extension whereas Rivers and Pickett extended for the full offered term.

    How long has the WA fix been in? Most of us assumed the pressure would come from the WCE but was it Freo all along?

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      On 25/07/2022 at 06:29, Diamond_Jim said:

    For those who like conspiracy theories the 3 Western Australians from the 2019 draft were automatically given the standard 2 year contract on being drafted.

    IIRC at the end of 2020 all three were offered fresh contracts taking them to the end of 2023.

    LJ finally elected to only agree to a two year extension whereas Rivers and Pickett extended for the full offered term.

    How long has the WA fix been in? Most of us assumed the pressure would come from the WCE but was it Freo all along?

    lj took a 1 year extension, the other two took 2 year extensions

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      On 25/07/2022 at 03:28, one_demon said:

    That's the problem with recruiting Western Australian players, the go home factor is stronger than other states

    We have a few:  Rivers, Kozzie, JVR, McVee

    With Jackson there is a lot of good draft picks tied up in them albeit McVee is an NGA rookie.

    Lets hope they don't all want to go back any time soon.

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      On 25/07/2022 at 06:29, Diamond_Jim said:

    For those who like conspiracy theories the 3 Western Australians from the 2019 draft were automatically given the standard 2 year contract on being drafted.

    IIRC at the end of 2020 all three were offered fresh contracts taking them to the end of 2023.

    LJ finally elected to only agree to a two year extension whereas Rivers and Pickett extended for the full offered term.

    How long has the WA fix been in? Most of us assumed the pressure would come from the WCE but was it Freo all along?

    What’s the bet Jacko is BOG this week just to ensure some credibility with his future teammates given his rather ordinary performances so far this year.

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      On 25/07/2022 at 06:26, sue said:

    No need to be so narky D11.  There have been lots of posts saying he is gone where the poster implies they have inside knowledge or use the word official loosely.    It's unreasonable to say 'officially' until it is announced by the club or player. And it is reasonable to ask anyone posting the basis for their statement. If by 'offically' you mean you have a reliable inside source that tells you it has happened, you should simply say so.

    The club or player won’t announce it until seasons end and as an interested supporter as many others are, I got the mail and was happy to pass it on.

    I had mentioned already that official was probably the wrong word used but I’ll choose how much info I pass on. 

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      On 25/07/2022 at 06:33, Lucifers Hero said:

    We have a few:  Rivers, Kozzie, JVR, McVee

    With Jackson there is a lot of good draft picks tied up in them albeit McVee is an NGA rookie.

    Lets hope they don't all want to go back any time soon.

    Both Kosi and Rivers are in relationships which really helps. 

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    Anyone ever held out this long and not left?

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      On 25/07/2022 at 06:33, daisycutter said:

    lj took a 1 year extension, the other two took 2 year extensions

    Yep

    I suspect he or his management had it all worked out. Silly us thought it was just LJ taking a punt that he would be worth more dollars in 2023 than what he was being offered in 2020/21.

    We've been played all along

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      On 25/07/2022 at 06:40, Jaded No More said:

    Both Kosi and Rivers are in relationships which really helps. 

    I know but not sure it will be enough if the WA clubs come calling.  They are premiership players and JVR shows a fair bit, so fully expect the WA clubs to make some enticing offers. 

    Is Woewodin also from WA?

    We will be ripe for poaching, sadly.

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