Sam Weideman re-signs until 2023

[old dee 23,466]

Let the poor guy go.

He is obviously at rock bottom, a new club might change is mind set as it is shot at the MFC.

If the change makes him a good player then the world is a better place for everyone. 

[faultydet 7,594]

19 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

If he clunked marks we could excuse his poor goal kicking. If he kicked goals we could excuse his poor marking. 

He does neither.

 

Inexcusable.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

This thread really is bringing out the worst in a lot of posters.

Just continual kicking of a young player rather than actually discussing footy.

 

[old dee 23,466]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

This thread really is bringing out the worst in a lot of posters.

Just continual kicking of a young player rather than actually discussing footy.

 

LN it is a fan web site, as a result you get good with the bad,  which is which entirely depends on your point of view.

Do you propose that people not discuss any player down on form or who is NQR? 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

LN it is a fan web site, as a result you get good with the bad,  which is which entirely depends on your point of view.

Do you propose that people not discuss any player down on form or who is NQR? 

100% discuss what's going on with a players football form, perhaps even bring some stats and analysis into it, that would be great hey? This thread has become just a 'he's a dud', 'give him away', 'can't mark, can't kick' thread where posters are just throwing silly insults that are overreactions rather than actually discussing football.

It's not a 'discussion' at all now.

[old dee 23,466]

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

100% discuss what's going on with a players football form, perhaps even bring some stats and analysis into it, that would be great hey? This thread has become just a 'he's a dud', 'give him away', 'can't mark, can't kick' thread where posters are just throwing silly insults that are overreactions rather than actually discussing football.

It's not a 'discussion' at all now.

I said we should let him go because I think it is the best solution for him. I honestly think it  would be best for him to start again at a new club. 

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

100% discuss what's going on with a players football form, perhaps even bring some stats and analysis into it, that would be great hey? This thread has become just a 'he's a dud', 'give him away', 'can't mark, can't kick' thread where posters are just throwing silly insults that are overreactions rather than actually discussing football.

It's not a 'discussion' at all now.

Fully agree. Supposed “fans” can be cruel. I regard every player as though they’re my son. And it’s bloody hurtful to read some of the scathing remarks about them. 

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

I said we should let him go because I think it is the best solution for him. I honestly think it  would be best for him to start again at a new club. 

This is fine, what you’re saying. It’s the comments such as he’s useless, he’s a dud, he needs to find a new career, etc. And there’s so many posts like this. My heart breaks for him. It’s not like he’s trying to underperform. 
There’s probs no one who wants him to perform well more than he does, himself. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by WalkingCivilWar

[old dee 23,466]

6 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

This is fine, what you’re saying. It’s the comments such as he’s useless, he’s a dud, he needs to find a new career, etc. And there’s so many posts like this. My heart breaks for him. It’s not like he’s trying to underperform. 
There’s probs no one who wants him to perform well more than he does, himself. 

What do you think the MFC/  he should do?

[doc roet 1,279]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

What do you think the MFC/  he should do?

Go on a vacation to Romsey.

There is a house there, actually a Manor, whereby the Lord is quite well known for correction processes 

[Hopeful Demon 1,452]

30 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

100% discuss what's going on with a players football form, perhaps even bring some stats and analysis into it, that would be great hey? This thread has become just a 'he's a dud', 'give him away', 'can't mark, can't kick' thread where posters are just throwing silly insults that are overreactions rather than actually discussing football.

It's not a 'discussion' at all now.

I've noticed that often. And what's even worse is that I've seen some people on this forum celebrate when a player who they don't like gets injured. Pretty gutless, really. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by Hopeful Demon

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

What do you think the MFC/  he should do?

Not panic like some posters are here. He's not in form clearly, but the past month doesn't define his career. Ben Brown hasn't even played in the last month, do we write him off too? No, we get to work.

I have no doubt the coaches, particularly Williams and Stafford, will continue to work with him to help him get some form, and I'm sure Goody and Yze will be working with the midfield and forwards in improving structure and delivery to rebuild the synergy there we seem to have lost recently.

The reality of our current list demographic means Weid will likely stay IMO, unless he requests a trade himself. I believe the club will back in it's development and coaching to get him out of his current slump and get him back to his 2020 form when the coaches rated him as a top 10 player for us.

[jnrmac 19,890]

On 6/16/2021 at 4:58 PM, Lord Nev said:

Some overreactions going on about Weid IMO.

Partly because he's been the new whipping boy since the start of the year, partly because footy forums/social media tend to make everyone make things black and white, but also because we had a poor loss and everyone looks for a singular blame point.

Apparently, despite being smashed in disposals, tackles, marks, hitouts, clearances, and having horrendous ball use, that's all on Weid. He was poor, no doubt, likely to be dropped now for at least a few weeks, but the hysteria about him seems over the top.

Reminds me of the 'Is Goodwin the right guy' thread where it's up and down based on that week's performance.

Weid will become just a good average serviceable player I reckon. The sooner MFC fans reconcile that and then manage to look more broadly at the circumstances, some of his own making, around his performances; the more reasonable the discussion will (hopefully) become.

Nah, you're blinkered. Haven't seen one person blame him solely for or the loss against the Pies.

Bar one game he has never put it together. And that was in 2018. He's gone backwards. What are his key attributes aside from being tall? He can't take a clean mark. He can't kick goals. He can't lead properly. Hell, he doesn't even tie up a key defender.

The narrative is really about letting him find form in the two's. We are simply playing one short with him in the team

And gee whiz we have a ready made replacement waiting. Two in fact.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

Nah, you're blinkered. Haven't seen one person blame him solely for or the loss against the Pies.

Bar one game he has never put it together. And that was in 2018. He's gone backwards. What are his key attributes aside from being tall? He can't take a clean mark. He can't kick goals. He can't lead properly. Hell, he doesn't even tie up a key defender.

The narrative is really about letting him find form in the two's. We are simply playing one short with him in the team

And gee whiz we have a ready made replacement waiting. Two in fact.

This thread has 5 and a half new pages since the Pies game. Coincidence you reckon hey? There's also the 6 page thread about Ben Brown playing instead of Weid that was started after that game.

Haven't seen one thread started about our horrendous delivery in that game, or how our defence was a mess.

Not going to bother with the rest of your post, it's just another example of the ridiculous overreactions in this thread,

[Smokey 4,345]

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

This thread has 5 and a half new pages since the Pies game. Coincidence you reckon hey? There's also the 6 page thread about Ben Brown playing instead of Weid that was started after that game.

Haven't seen one thread started about our horrendous delivery in that game, or how our defence was a mess.

Not going to bother with the rest of your post, it's just another example of the ridiculous overreactions in this thread,

Probably because they aren't regular occurrences this year, however Weid's poor performances have been. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, Smokey said:

Probably because they aren't regular occurrences this year, however Weid's poor performances have been. 

Sure, but I'm talking about the context of the Weideman threads and the timing of them in relation to the Pies game.

[jnrmac 19,890]

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

This thread has 5 and a half new pages since the Pies game. Coincidence you reckon hey? There's also the 6 page thread about Ben Brown playing instead of Weid that was started after that game.

Haven't seen one thread started about our horrendous delivery in that game, or how our defence was a mess.

Not going to bother with the rest of your post, it's just another example of the ridiculous overreactions in this thread,

Yep I think i know who is "ridiculously overacting".

My post was pretty measured. His form his poor he doesn't deserve his spot at the moment.

[Smokey 4,345]

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Sure, but I'm talking about the context of the Weideman threads and the timing of them in relation to the Pies game.

I've been a huge Weid fan for a long time, but even I'm questioning why at this point. Agree the reaction to his performances are often over the top, but they certainly aren't without merit.  

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

Yep I think i know who is "ridiculously overacting".

My post was pretty measured.

 

11 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Bar one game he has never put it together. And that was in 2018. He's gone backwards. What are his key attributes aside from being tall? He can't take a clean mark. He can't kick goals. He can't lead properly. Hell, he doesn't even tie up a key defender.

Ok.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, Smokey said:

I've been a huge Weid fan for a long time, but even I'm questioning why at this point. Agree the reaction to his performances are often over the top, but they certainly aren't without merit.  

I'm in total agreement that he''s out of form, has to be dropped.

I just don't agree that he's a write off and that a handful of games defines his career.

[Deemania since 56 6,547]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Let the poor guy go.

He is obviously at rock bottom, a new club might change is mind set as it is shot at the MFC.

If the change makes him a good player then the world is a better place for everyone. 

We cannot turn the Weed into a highly contributory player. We really do not have the right to keep him in abeyance within his football career. He has attractiveness within other clubs and surely, it is in his interests (particularly to blossom into what many see as a footballing potential) and the apparent de-stablilisation of our full footy team to allow him to seek his future - elsewhere, if so required. He has tried hard with the Dees; maybe someone else could elicit his full talents better than we have done. 

[Smokey 4,345]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I'm in total agreement that he''s out of form, has to be dropped.

I just don't agree that he's a write off and that a handful of games defines his career.

I hope you're right mate. I am almost out of hope for him completely. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

3 minutes ago, Smokey said:

I hope you're right mate. I am almost out of hope for him completely. 

Ironically, I reckon I've got 'more hope' because I've 'given up hope'... I don't think he'll ever be the gun player we hoped for or that some in the media thought he might become, but if he can become a solid, best 22, second key forward then I think that's ok.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

35 minutes ago, old dee said:

What do you think the MFC/  he should do?

For the immediate future, yeah, he may have to be dropped. It’s undeniable that he is not even close to meeting expectations. Probs should be replaced by BBB for a bit. But that doesn’t mean he should be written off. I guess I don’t know what’s best for him or for MFC. Not yet, anyways. But what I do know is that the relentless  personal insults aren’t helping with anything. They’re totally unnecessary. Constructive criticism is fine. 

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

This thread is titled “Rival clubs circling Weids.” NOT “Let’s put Weids in the stocks and give all the “fans” on DL a big bag of rotten tomatoes.”