Toby Greene umpire contact

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14 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Seen the fox breakdown now

He has the arm tucked in, and bulk of contact looks like forearm at around stomach/chest level. Still unnecessarily forceful

Regardless of tucked arm versus shoulder, he walked through the umpire, didn't even shape away or pretend to try to go around (sort of looks like he leans towards).

It's an unnecessarily aggressive act, with contact, while he was arguing about something. The sort of act that starts a pub fight (Toby may be familiar with pub fights? 🤔)

4 weeks, and consider himself lucky it didn't look worse on camera

Definitely a "bad look" for the game.

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1 hour ago, DubDee said:

My point is that respect for umps is worse in the AFL than in most other sports. The umps treat the players like school kids, barking orders at them instead of officiating the game.  And players can’t touch the umps coz you’d be a naughty boy. Look at other sports where the ref/ump gets respect. Punishing Minimal incidents like this don’t build respect. 
obviously if he pushed him over or hit the ump that is different 

I believe mutual respect would be gained if the umps treated the players with more respect. Players would return this respect and fans alike. Punishing incidents like this don’t build respect imo

anyway I’m sure I’m on my own here so I’ll leave it at that

”I would stop hitting you if you showed me some respect!”

terrible effing message 

 

[gOLLy 401]

If you fair dinkum and sending a message to all the lesser leagues, it has to be 12 months.

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4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I certainly wouldn't be happy if it was Oliver for him to miss the Prelim and maybe the GF based on what so far, is inconclusive video. 

Lets wait for the facts before we hang Toby.

Channel 7 footage shown just now is conclusive.  New camera angle.

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The most positive spin you could possibly put on this is that it was ‘intimidation’.  That should still earn him weeks.

 

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The ridiculous argument some have offered that Stevic steps out of the way and there's minimal to no contact looks to be blown up by this angle.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,710]

To all the "No contact" commentators trying to talk away this issue

The side angle (finally surfaces) shows what was obvious to many

 

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2 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

To all the "No contact" commentators trying to talk away this issue

The side angle (finally surfaces) shows what was obvious to many

 

As deliberate as you can get. Still back chatting. Walks into him. Then continues to mouth off. The finger pointing at the start is even worse. Just total lack of respect. 
I have no idea how the AFL can justify not banning him and then demand we respect umpires at all levels. Stamp it out or it’ll keep happening. 

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23 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Akin to victim blaming. 

Why the face palm @TRIGON?

To say Stevic should’ve moved out of Greene’s way is like saying the woman whose husband punched her for under-cooking his dinner, should’ve just not undercooked his dinner. 
Now you’ll probs think I’m over-dramatising the situation. I’m just making the point that the victim of someone’s sh***y decision to offend shouldn’t be considered the catalyst for the offence. Nor should the onus be on them to “avoid” it. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Should get minimum 2-3 weeks for this. Clearly intentional and an attempt to intimidate.

Edit - apologies, just saw 'Mullets' post above.

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Lord Nev

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No more Toby until 2022.  

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8 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The ridiculous argument some have offered that Stevic steps out of the way and there's minimal to no contact looks to be blown up by this angle.

Yes, seeing that footage he does appear to be in a lot of trouble. I’m happy to concede my position on this. It should, and will be, 2-3 weeks.

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2 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Yes, seeing that footage he does appear to be in a lot of trouble. I’m happy to concede my position on this. It should, and will be, 2-3 weeks.

Keep conceding...

6+ please and a fine and an extra massive suspended fine.

And he can then apologise. 

He tried to intimidate an umpire while discussing another stupid decision that he himself made.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,710]

If found guilty, which I think he has to be, I can't see how a ban of less than 4 weeks could be justified in any way shape or form... In fact should be 6 or 10 even!

So I fully expect the AFL will manage a 1 game ban...

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28 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The ridiculous argument some have offered that Stevic steps out of the way and there's minimal to no contact looks to be blown up by this angle.

What?!  That’s it?!

All last night I kept reading about this ‘Zapruda film’ like side-angle that would completely exonerate Green of any wrong doing… that clip just confirms what most already knew.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Keep conceding...

6+ please and a fine and an extra massive suspended fine.

And he can then apologise. 

He tried to intimidate an umpire while discussing another stupid decision that he himself made.

The face palm is for the “keep conceding” comment. The penalty is just my guess, based on the fact that the umpire did not choose to report him on the spot.

[In Harmes Way 7,700]

20 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

It’s not really a good look for the game.

Jack Viney got 2 weeks for an “it’s not a good look for the game” incident.

sounds about right.

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8 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

What?!  That’s it?!

All last night I kept reading about this ‘Zapruda film’ like side-angle that would completely exonerate Green of any wrong doing… that clip just confirms what most already knew.

 

 

The footage being shown now is NOT the same footage being analised on Foxtel last night that was discussed here last night. This ‘new’ footage is conclusive beyond doubt.

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Yesterday  at 8.35 a.m I said this

"Watch Toby Greene do something stupid and get reported"

Sometimes I get lucky😆

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5 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I believe Greene tried to walk through an umpire. A disgrace if he gets away with that, regardless of what the umpire says.

I believe the umpires are cowed into not clamping down as they should because they aren't supported properly by the AFL

I believe Stevic might well give a statement favourable to Greene, for the above reason ... "he did put away the knuckledusters before punching my jaw, so I felt he wasn't trying to hospitalise me."

I believe the most import thing about this matter is that players in all levels of competition must get the message loud and clear that contact (or attempted contact) with umpires is taboo. "Sacrosanct" if you like, but the AFL don't know the meaning of that word.

That’s fine but you are ignoring one fact, did he actually bump him or touch his hand. The video does not show a bump and Stevic does not react like a player has just bumped him. He would have reported him on the spot. Guilt is still important these days. 

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8 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Jack Viney got 2 weeks for an “it’s not a good look for the game” incident.

sounds about right.

I'll spew if Greene gets anything less than Viney.

If Viney wrestling with Collins, albeit admittedly taking it too far, is a worse "look for the game" than a player beelining and shouldering an umpire, the game is [censored].

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2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That’s fine but you are ignoring one fact, did he actually bump him or touch his hand. The video does not show a bump and Stevic does not react like a player has just bumped him. He would have reported him on the spot. Guilt is still important these days. 

I had been of the view that he would get a fine, but the ‘new’ side view footage posted above on this page, does actually show shoulder to shoulder contact being made… not particularly forceful, but I’d say enough to get him 2-3 weeks.  

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10 minutes ago, hardtack said:

The face palm is for the “keep conceding” comment. The penalty is just my guess, based on the fact that the umpire did not choose to report him on the spot.

The ‘keep conceding’ was just a flourish to set up my larger punishment. All good.

After the footage this morning- it should be fairly straightforward.

We play a ragged Geelong in a fortnight.

And we do what we did to the Hawks in 18. 

We end it.

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3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That’s fine but you are ignoring one fact, did he actually bump him or touch his hand. The video does not show a bump and Stevic does not react like a player has just bumped him. He would have reported him on the spot. Guilt is still important these days. 

IF he 'bumped' him there would not be any issue about this. As has been pointed out, he walked at and walked into Stevic, all the while mouthing his self-indulgent bulldust: the bottom line is that you just don't DO THAT. If somebody came at you like that you'd probably feel a wee bit, shall we say, affronted? 

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