On 22/09/2021 at 01:12, MadAsHell said:

I get where you're coming from there, but the club have shown a great ability to get deals done over the last 5 or so years.

I think it will come down to if any of our players wants out for any reason. For example if Sparrow wants back to South Australia, there could be a deal like.

Sparrow to the Crows and Pick 33 to Richmond. 

Crows send Fischer McAsey to Richmond.

Richmond give us Pick 15.

 

We could then potentially do some sort of a deal like our Future 1st Round Pick, Pick 15 and Sam Weideman to Freo for Cerra and Pick 27.

 

But as I said, I think it will hinge on one of our players wanting out.

Sparrow and pick 33 to Richmond? Too much

Pick 15 all that stuffing around for not a great pick. Richmond are getting ripped off 15 for McAsey McAsey has no value you would get him for nothing.

I can't see why can't package a future first round pick with Weideman and Sparrow or Jordon. I rate Jordon and Sparrow as top 15 draft picks they are both playing good footy while Weideman would be worth a pick between 20 and 25.

Just watched the first half of the Freo game and not overly impressed with Cerra's form to date. Had a shot at goal from 30 meters out and hit the side of the boot and didn't make the distance. He doesn't seem to like the hard stuff and all our midfielders are hard at it and that's what I love about the club I don't want to see softness in the midfield it costs you in big games. Am I wrong? I don't see many Freo games. I'm sure there are a lot more people who have seen play more than I have. I know he's a well credentialed player but is he what we need?

  On 22/09/2021 at 01:21, Dwight Schrute said:

Jordan Dawson doesn't agree

Going back to Perth or SA you only have the choice between 2 clubs, 50% chance you would support one of them growing up.  Chris Judd and Buddy were Melbourne supporters, it has minimal leverage.

 

On Cerra, if we come to terms the deal will get done, might be our first 2 picks this year and 3nd round next to the bulldogs for this year first round pick.  Future first and Dogs first  this year for Cerra, so pick 17 this year and pick 18 next year for Cerra, or we trade these picks to GCS with Weiderman for Pick 3 and 3rd round pick this year and offer Pick 3 to Fremantle for Cerra and their second round pick.

  On 21/09/2021 at 22:54, Demons11 said:

Someone barracking for a club has no impact on their decision to join it 

I wouldn’t say “no impact “ but would agree it could be a minor consideration at best in many cases.

Also about Dawson he's about to go to Adelaide for pick 23. Port could do better but the Swans are going to have to suck it up and take pick 23. I can't see why this can't happen to Cerra if he nominates us. We can't give you pick 6 but Weideman and a future first rounder will do.

  On 22/09/2021 at 01:12, MadAsHell said:

I get where you're coming from there, but the club have shown a great ability to get deals done over the last 5 or so years.

I think it will come down to if any of our players wants out for any reason. For example if Sparrow wants back to South Australia, there could be a deal like.

Sparrow to the Crows and Pick 33 to Richmond. 

Crows send Fischer McAsey to Richmond.

Richmond give us Pick 15.

 

We could then potentially do some sort of a deal like our Future 1st Round Pick, Pick 15 and Sam Weideman to Freo for Cerra and Pick 27.

 

But as I said, I think it will hinge on one of our players wanting out.

Freo want a top 10 pick.

  On 21/09/2021 at 22:40, WERRIDEE said:

Norm Smith is one he got the Swans in the final once which was a fine achievement considering how woeful they were. Northey always left before he got sacked. Blight is another did he get sacked from Geelong? Malthouse situation was a disgrace didn't get sacked until he coached the graveyard. Thank god for Eddie it could have been a Collingwood dynasty if not for his love affair with Buckley. 

Anyone who has been given the flick as a coach is a failed coach IMO. I hold fears for Voss he failed at Brisbane and he's an assistant in a mentally weak club which is Port. Not a great resume I wouldn't be overly confident if I was a Carlton fan.

Pretty sure Brisbane’s admin and off field situation was absolutely shocking back then… and the coach position is pretty overrated these days anyway. The CEO position is much more important in determining the long term success of a club IMO. And now Carlton have a very good one who knows how to properly structure a footy department, so as long as they don’t bring in another Mark Neeld then they’ll go places.

Don't we need another key tall forward more than a midfielder?

  On 21/09/2021 at 13:27, Dr. Gonzo said:

That's fine but I didn't really comment on how Jackson landed at the Demons, only that getting Cook is as significant for the Blues as PJ was for us and they may turn things around and no longer be a place where talent goes to die as we were for so long.

That may be so but how long did it take Roos/PJ/Goody to right the ship. Also, once they start to go up the ladder they'll no longer be able to feast on high draft picks and will need a smart operator like JT to select talent, perhaps they can lure SOS back, he did a good job. 

By the time they may be close to challenging Cerra will be about to retire.

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  On 22/09/2021 at 01:59, one_demon said:

Don't we need another key tall forward more than a midfielder?

Brown
McDonald
Fritsch
Jackson 

All in the same forward line. We have one of the tallest forwardlines in the comp as it stands. 

  On 21/09/2021 at 22:27, dazzledavey36 said:

If you had asked me this time last week in regards to Cerra I would have said my hopes of getting him was at 95%. Just finding it extremely hard how to satisfy Freo especially Peter Bell being such a tight [censored]. Unfortunately we just don't have the capital to satisfy Freo.

 

That's fine, but our draft and trade capital hasn't changed in the past week ...

  On 22/09/2021 at 01:48, WERRIDEE said:

Also about Dawson he's about to go to Adelaide for pick 23. Port could do better but the Swans are going to have to suck it up and take pick 23. I can't see why this can't happen to Cerra if he nominates us. We can't give you pick 6 but Weideman and a future first rounder will do.

I'd rather Dawson personally 

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  On 22/09/2021 at 02:09, adonski said:

Brown
McDonald
Fritsch
Jackson 

All in the same forward line. We have one of the tallest forwardlines in the comp as it stands. 

I suspect he was referring to the fact that Brown and Tmac are aging. Fritsch, as good as he is, is undersized for key tall. We’ll most likely need another young tall or two to replace them in the next few years, particularly sooner if Weideman gets traded. Unless of course Petty does a David Neitz, which isn’t likely.

  On 22/09/2021 at 01:42, WERRIDEE said:

Sparrow and pick 33 to Richmond? Too much

 

Sure is.

Sparrow is a juniour Jack Viney but a bit more polish. Already 84 kg at only 183.

He jumps in the air with excitment when Max takes a mark in the prelim.

Cultutre builder/maintainer.

Only unless for dire family circumstances. Otherwise he becomes part of a dynasty with the Dees.

  On 22/09/2021 at 02:25, one_demon said:

Yes but Mcdonald and Brown are in the latter part of their careers and Jackson is a part-time forward.  

Brown and McDonald have got 3 to 4 good years left in them what's the rush?

  On 22/09/2021 at 02:26, Foopy on the telly said:

I suspect he was referring to the fact that Brown and Tmac are aging. Fritsch, as good as he is, is undersized for key tall. We’ll most likely need another young tall or two to replace them in the next few years, particularly sooner if Weideman gets traded. Unless of course Petty does a David Neitz, which isn’t likely.

Yes. Spot on.

Cerra is managed by Paul Connors, who gets his players to their club of choice. Id say Cerra wont nominate a club until PC knows a deal can be done. If thats Melbourne it will take a few days of trade week before we will know if we can get a deal done. Only then will Cerra nominate Melbourne or otherwise Carlton if we cant.

I think the MFC recruiter has some sort of plan since they would not go after a player if they had no plan to recruit the player they want.

I don't know the plan but Tim Lamb and co will have a plan of sorts.

In 3 to 4 years time when Brown and McDonald have had it Ben King should be available.

  On 22/09/2021 at 02:36, WERRIDEE said:

In 3 to 4 years time when Brown and McDonald have had it Ben King should be available.

This is a very optimistic timeframe

  On 21/09/2021 at 15:14, Deestroy All said:

Carlton have nice top end talent that’s selling a dummy to people thinking it’s an easy fix. 
 

If Voss does Stephen Bradbury his way into the job, it’s too bad McRae took what Voss really needs, Leppa. 
 

Carlton lack any defensive system, combined with or because of a lack of 2 way runners. That is going to be no easy fix, you reckon Teague wasn’t aware of it the whole time?

They're wasted money on flankers as others have pointed out, instead of hard workers to compliment what they have going for them. Cerra would be a handy addition to their (any) midfield, will he make a big difference there? I’m not convinced at all. 
 

The other problem Carlton have is the teams around them will get better. They finished on the same points as Hawthorn ffs, in a pure development year for the Hawks. Essendon, GWS will hold if not get better, Freo should improve, and they’ll drop points to teams falling down the ladder that are better than them, Richmond, West Coast, Geelong…

Apart from Geelong it’s a pretty vibrant top 8 that may take a fair effort to crack into in the coming years. 

Scarlett would potentially fill the gap that Leppitsch would have.

But I hope he doesn’t.

  On 22/09/2021 at 02:31, Grimes Times said:

Cerra is managed by Paul Connors, who gets his players to their club of choice. Id say Cerra wont nominate a club until PC knows a deal can be done. If thats Melbourne it will take a few days of trade week before we will know if we can get a deal done. Only then will Cerra nominate Melbourne or otherwise Carlton if we cant.

Connors guarding his reputation? Surely not!

  On 22/09/2021 at 02:14, Pollyanna said:

That's fine, but our draft and trade capital hasn't changed in the past week ...

 You've missed my point.

Carlton will demand a top 10 pick. We have nothing remotely close to even matching that. 

Best option is potentially trading a player out. Jackson and Brayshaw have already been ruled out.

  On 22/09/2021 at 02:22, Sydee said:

I'd rather Dawson personally 

Me too.

  On 22/09/2021 at 03:06, dazzledavey36 said:

 You've missed my point.

Carlton will demand a top 10 pick. We have nothing remotely close to even matching that. 

Best option is potentially trading a player out. Jackson and Brayshaw have already been ruled out.

I realise that is your point but it was the situation last week when you were 95% certain.