Jump to content

Featured Replies

  • Author
7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

As much as I think Yze and Choco are doing a great job, so be it if it occurs! Who would NOT have Clarko?? I'll tell you what embarrasing loses to bottom sides wouldnt happen on his watch!

Mate, they lost to the Roos, Blues, Suns and Crows this year.

 

 
  • Author
Just now, BDA said:

And its not working out too well. Appointing the caretaker full-time is fraught with danger.

Yeah, but that wasn't your point. You said no assistants from poor sides would get senior gigs.

We just don't agree on this. I think the AFL industry is far smarter and more involved than that and it becomes clear in AFL circles who is highly rated at their job despite the external performance of the team.

 

1 hour ago, A F said:

Alastair Clarkson's Curse? ? One can only hope.

It surely is  Kennett curse like the Geelong /Hawks on was a decade ago. 

 
2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The Clarko Curse has a nice ring to it :lol:

Let's win the flag this year and hand the baton over to them

Q. What does Jeff Kennett and Dr. Don Duffy have in common?

A. They presided over Boards that sacked the greatest coach of each respective era.

Both a triumph of ego over sound management.

Hoping Clarkson got his full entitlements and left no $$'s on the table. Jeff can get a few more pokies to make up the shortfall.  After all, that club propsers more than any by a mile on the backs of problem gamblers.

Well Hawthorn have well and truly stuffed this up epically. What a complete PR nightmare. 

High Five GIF by MOODMAN


18 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Mate, they lost to the Roos, Blues, Suns and Crows this year.

 

Sam Micthell - welcome to the fine tradition of recently retired star players/Favourite sons turning to coaching on little experience -  ultimately failing.

The Voss/Hird/Buckley/Blight(first time)/F.Bourke club.

Given the proud Hawks history, and foundations laid by John Kennedy, then Parkin and Jeans, I would have thought this scenario would have occurred anywhere else, but not the Hawks.

It takes real genius to stuff up than pattern - kudos Jeff.

My  understanding is that contract ‘pay-outs’ are included in the soft cap.  If this is the case, how on earth can Hawthorn ‘afford’ to pay out Clarko for next year (big dollars presumably) while paying Mitchell as coach, and the rest of the support team.  
I guess my understanding is incorrect.

10 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

My  understanding is that contract ‘pay-outs’ are included in the soft cap.  If this is the case, how on earth can Hawthorn ‘afford’ to pay out Clarko for next year (big dollars presumably) while paying Mitchell as coach, and the rest of the support team.  
I guess my understanding is incorrect.

Your mistake is expecting honesty! 

Edited by old dee

 
21 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Sam Micthell - welcome to the fine tradition of recently retired star players/Favourite sons turning to coaching on little experience -  ultimately failing.

The Voss/Hird/Buckley/Blight(first time)/F.Bourke club.

Given the proud Hawks history, and foundations laid by John Kennedy, then Parkin and Jeans, I would have thought this scenario would have occurred anywhere else, but not the Hawks.

It takes real genius to stuff up than pattern - kudos Jeff.

I have no skin in this game, but I would not be surprised in the least if Mitchell held the club over a barrel on this.

He's always been supremely sure of himself 

Glad to see Hawthorn embrace The Curse of Alistair Clarkson, but less glad to know that he will go to Carlton or Collingwood.


48 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Mate, they lost to the Roos, Blues, Suns and Crows this year.

 

 But except for the Roos, (with which they are level on points), all the other teams are above them on the ladder, not 15 to 17 positions below!

1 minute ago, Tony Tea said:

Glad to see Hawthorn embrace The Curse of Alistair Clarkson, but less glad to know that he will go to Carlton or Collingwood.

I would like to see him go to the Gold Coast. If he can't get that place ticking over no one will.

I would also like to see his reaction when he sees Bozo the Clown (their pre match entertainment for the kiddies) and blows his top. I am guessing a decent spray and a few jumper punches would be in the works. :lol:?

I wonder if a full pay out means he can be put on Garden leave from coaching for a year 

2 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

It may be one of the worst club decisions in the history of the game, but it still pales into insignificance besides sacking a coach who had been in four premierships as a player, six premierships as coach, and has an inferior side at the top of the ladder, on the basis that you don’t like his attitude to the committee……..

To quote that coach" They made me eat humble pie"

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Who would NOT have Clarko??

Messiah syndrome.


57 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

My  understanding is that contract ‘pay-outs’ are included in the soft cap.  If this is the case, how on earth can Hawthorn ‘afford’ to pay out Clarko for next year (big dollars presumably) while paying Mitchell as coach, and the rest of the support team.  
I guess my understanding is incorrect.

I suspect your understanding of the soft cap is correct. However, paying Clarkson out presumably is no more than the payment he would have been entitled to in 2022. As such, it doesn't affect their soft cap as the 2022 number is the same. The only difference is that the Clarkson dollars are counted in 2022 on an absent voice. Where Hawthorn benefits is from 2023 where Clarkson's salary - which is presumably one of the highest for coaches in the competition - disappears from the soft cap allowing (one would assume) Hawthorn to employ perhaps three or more assistants in lieu of Clarkson.  

5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I suspect your understanding of the soft cap is correct. However, paying Clarkson out presumably is no more than the payment he would have been entitled to in 2022. As such, it doesn't affect their soft cap as the 2022 number is the same. The only difference is that the Clarkson dollars are counted in 2022 on an absent voice. Where Hawthorn benefits is from 2023 where Clarkson's salary - which is presumably one of the highest for coaches in the competition - disappears from the soft cap allowing (one would assume) Hawthorn to employ perhaps three or more assistants in lieu of Clarkson.  

well they will have to now give mitchell a decent pay rise for head coach, so that is extra. Plus they will have to pay extra for a new vfl/line coach, out of the soft cap, so it will definitely hurt them in 2022.

however, there may be a clarkson payout clause whereby if he takes on another coaching job in 2022 his payout for 2022 is reduced according to some agreed formula? It has been done before.

4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Gobsmacked, after his impassioned commitment a mere week ago.

"The decision was reached on Thursday after a meeting between the Hawthorn board and Clarkson’s management in which the two parties agreed that the coach would receive a full payout.

The arranged marriage between Clarkson and Sam Mitchell was further-eroded earlier this week when a group of senior players confided to club bosses that the situation was proving untenable".

Senior players. WOW. 

Machiavelli would have been proud of how it has all played out!!

Terrible way to treat a 4 time premiership coach.  Hope it comes back to bite them for decades to come.

He played this to a tea Clarkson, he knew full well they didn't want him and said all the right things about fulfilling his contract.

Played them like the fiddled and recieved his full payout from the Hawks.

Game, set, match, Clarkson.

This has Pep Guardiola written all over it, this has been 3 years in the making got his Fitness Guru Andrew Russell to leave and set things up at Carlton. Build the players fitness levels to a certain standard and he'll come in and reap the rewards when im finished at Hawthorn. 

Teague all along has been a stop gap for the eventual arrival of Clarkson.

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

well they will have to now give mitchell a decent pay rise for head coach, so that is extra. Plus they will have to pay extra for a new vfl/line coach, out of the soft cap, so it will definitely hurt them in 2022.

however, there may be a clarkson payout clause whereby if he takes on another coaching job in 2022 his payout for 2022 is reduced according to some agreed formula? It has been done before.

Presumably Mitchell's pay rise was already factored in to the 2022 figure before Clarkson decided to exit/was shown the door. I would be very surprised if Mitchell is getting any extra dollars above what he was expecting to get in 2022 just because of the change today.


6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

well they will have to now give mitchell a decent pay rise for head coach, so that is extra. Plus they will have to pay extra for a new vfl/line coach, out of the soft cap, so it will definitely hurt them in 2022.

however, there may be a clarkson payout clause whereby if he takes on another coaching job in 2022 his payout for 2022 is reduced according to some agreed formula? It has been done before.

He would have had it all on his own terms, I'm not agreeing to anything unless im able to coach at another club next year.

It was a mexican stand off between Clarko and Kennett, Clarko wasn't going anywhere until he had the full payout and could coach in 2022.

Eat [censored] Kennett.

Lol i hope this means the hawks have YEARS down the bottom end of the table!

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Hey can't be proven as this years Hawks performances have been all over the shop right up there with the most unreliable in the AFL.

Tomorrow night the Hawks could  be on the bottom with one wing holding onto the wooden spoon!!!

If that happens it will improve how poor we were being unable to best them two weeks ago. 

 
  • Author
1 hour ago, xarronn said:

 But except for the Roos, (with which they are level on points), all the other teams are above them on the ladder, not 15 to 17 positions below!

The comment I was responding to was "embarrasing loses to bottom sides wouldnt happen on his watch!"

And if you look at the ladder at the time they played them they were all in similar positions.

Either way, it's a silly comment as Hawthorn are currently a bottom side, so it simply doesn't stack up.

21 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Presumably Mitchell's pay rise was already factored in to the 2022 figure before Clarkson decided to exit/was shown the door. I would be very surprised if Mitchell is getting any extra dollars above what he was expecting to get in 2022 just because of the change today.

i very much doubt it.... his responsibilities for 2022 just went up a huge notch


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • PREVIEW: Gold Coast

    The Gold Coast Suns find themselves outside of the top eight for the first time since Round 1 with pressure is mounting on the entire organisation. Their coach Damien Hardwick expressed his frustration at his team’s condition last week by making a middle-finger gesture on television that earned him a fine for his troubles. He showed his desperation by claiming that Fox should pick up the tab.  There’s little doubt the Suns have shown improvement in 2025, and their position on the ladder is influenced to some extent by having played fewer games than their rivals for a playoff role at the end of the season, courtesy of the disruption caused by Cyclone Alfred in March.  However, they are following the same trajectory that hindered the club in past years whenever they appeared to be nearing their potential. As a consequence, that Hardwick gesture should be considered as more than a mere behavioral lapse. It’s a distress signal that does not bode well for the Queenslanders. While the Suns are eager to remain in contention with the top eight, Melbourne faces its own crisis, which is similarly deep-seated but in a much different way. After recovering from a disappointing start to the season and nearing a return to respectability among its peer clubs, the Demons have experienced a decline in status, driven by the fact that while their form has been reasonable (see their performance against the ladder leader in the Kings Birthday match), their conversion in front of goal is poor enough to rank last in the competition. Furthermore, their opponents find them exceptionally easy to score against. As a result, they have effectively eliminated themselves from the finals race and are again positioned to finish in the bottom half of the ladder.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 3 replies
  • NON-MFC: Round 15

    As the Demons head into their Bye Round, it's time to turn our attention to the other matches being played. Which teams are you tipping this week? And which results would be most favourable for the Demons if we can manage to turn our season around? Follow all the non-Melbourne games here and join the conversation as the ladder continues to take shape.

      • Like
    • 276 replies
  • REPORT: Port Adelaide

    Of course, it’s not the backline, you might argue and you would probably be right. It’s the boot studder (do they still have them?), the midfield, the recruiting staff, the forward line, the kicking coach, the Board, the interchange bench, the supporters, the folk at Casey, the head coach and the club psychologist  It’s all of them and all of us for having expectations that were sufficiently high to have believed three weeks ago that a restoration of the Melbourne team to a position where we might still be in contention for a finals berth when the time for the midseason bye arrived. Now let’s look at what happened over the period of time since Melbourne overwhelmed the Sydney Swans at the MCG in late May when it kicked 8.2 to 5.3 in the final quarter (and that was after scoring 3.8 to two straight goals in the second term). 

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 3 replies
  • CASEY: Essendon

    Casey’s unbeaten run was extended for at least another fortnight after the Demons overran a persistent Essendon line up by 29 points at ETU Stadium in Port Melbourne last night. After conceding the first goal of the evening, Casey went on a scoring spree from about ten minutes in, with five unanswered majors with its fleet of midsized runners headed by the much improved Paddy Cross who kicked two in quick succession and livewire Ricky Mentha who also kicked an early goal. Leading the charge was recruit of the year, Riley Bonner while Bailey Laurie continued his impressive vein of form. With Tom Campbell missing from the lineup, Will Verrall stepped up to the plate demonstrating his improvement under the veteran ruckman’s tutelage. The Demons were looking comfortable for much of the second quarter and held a 25-point lead until the Bombers struck back with two goals in the shadows of half time. On the other side of the main break their revival continued with first three goals of the half. Harry Sharp, who had been quiet scrambled in the Demons’ first score of the third term to bring the margin back to a single point at the 17 minute mark and the game became an arm-wrestle for the remainder of the quarter and into the final moments of the last.

      • Clap
    • 0 replies
  • PREGAME: Gold Coast

    The Demons have the Bye next week but then are on the road once again when they come up against the Gold Coast Suns on the Gold Coast in what could be a last ditch effort to salvage their season. Who comes in and who comes out?

      • Thanks
    • 155 replies
  • PODCAST: Port Adelaide

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 16th June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect the Dees disappointing loss to the Power.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Thanks
    • 33 replies