5 hours ago, Caligula's cohort said:

Jones will be gifted games to get to 300 and then transition into a coaching role by mid season provided he doesn't get injured

I hope not CC. Would love to see him reach the milestone but we can’t afford to be gifting games. We’re too inconsistent and flaky to carry a passenger. At Richmond and Geelong perhaps. But not the Dees. Jones is going to have to earn those games.

Different stroke.

Positions up for grabs

1 Half back flank              I think Hibberd may be in decline       

1 Wing                               I favour Oskar

1 Half forward flank        Melksham needs his protected status removed, Choco might be the one to do it.

Interchange                     . Play form players, or look for team balance and opponents set ups. so some opportunities

 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I hope not CC. Would love to see him reach the milestone but we can’t afford to be gifting games. We’re too inconsistent and flaky to carry a passenger. At Richmond and Geelong perhaps. But not the Dees. Jones is going to have to earn those games.

Absolutely he will. He's been gifted games for 2 seasons now with very very minimal output. We need to bite the bullet and give our former champions the title of '300' seeing as we only have Neitz who has achieved that milestone, and we're the oldest football club in the world. I know it's not the right way to go about it, but at the end of the day, no one can say Jonesy didn't deserve it... winning 3 club best and fairest and leading us through our darkest times as a club. 

1 hour ago, Caligula's cohort said:

Absolutely he will. He's been gifted games for 2 seasons now with very very minimal output. We need to bite the bullet and give our former champions the title of '300' seeing as we only have Neitz who has achieved that milestone, and we're the oldest football club in the world. I know it's not the right way to go about it, but at the end of the day, no one can say Jonesy didn't deserve it... winning 3 club best and fairest and leading us through our darkest times as a club. 

You may turn out to be right but I’m not sure we can pull it off without potentially jeopardising games.  He has 3 Bluey’s and that’s testament enough to his contribution and legacy. Gifting games could sully his legacy if anything. And 6 games at that. I don’t see how we justify if we’re in the hunt for finals or Top 4. There are no gimme games for the Dees. We’re just too flaky. Imagine if we lose an important game and Jonesy has a shocker.

Hopefully he can hit a purple patch of form, earn his spot and get to 300 without the armchair ride.

3 hours ago, Turner said:

really interested on why he would make your side when we literally had brayshaw playing 60% game time because we couldnt fit him in an inside role. With trac, oliver, viney, harmes, brayshaw and then one of the younger breed ie sparrow taking over from jones i really can't see why we would need another big body anywhere near our side

Oh I don't think he will see much midfield time. Well not in the middle per say. You don't have to start in the centre to impact stoppages and contests around the ground which is what AVB does so well. I meant using his body to block and tackle creating opportunities for our mids in contests and stoppages wherever that may be. He does most of his work in contests on the flanks and wings.

Edited December 11, 20204 yr by Yung Blood

There's some great research here and a lot of assumption and projection. Also plenty of passion displayed .

Congratulations  and thanks  to all who have contributed.

i still think it's a early to predict and want to see the whole list advance and be capable of playing in the best 22

Fillng a role and matching up to the opposition and beating them no matter what attributes they bring.

27 minutes ago, dpositive said:

There's some great research here and a lot of assumption and projection. Also plenty of passion displayed .

Congratulations  and thanks  to all who have contributed.

i still think it's a early to predict and want to see the whole list advance and be capable of playing in the best 22

Fillng a role and matching up to the opposition and beating them no matter what attributes they bring.

yes lets see how they go after training the house down in the preseason ?

Edited December 11, 20204 yr by Kent

We screwed up badly with Junior. It's more important to build a culture than try for a short term fix.

He stood by us when he could easily have left for more money.

Who kicked the crucial goal against Geelong in the 2018 elimination final? 

He is heart and souls Melbourne.

13 minutes ago, Kent said:

yes lets see how they go after training the house down in the preseason ?

Should have added I appreciate the insight and the conjecture. Helps informed comments so please keep it coming.

On 12/10/2020 at 11:45 AM, drdrake said:

Are we playing a side with no quick small forwards.  If we see TMac/Hore/Lever/May in the same backline we are having massive injury issues

My best 22

Lockhart May Lever

Rivers Tomlinson Hibberd

Langdon Oliver Sparrow

Fritsch Weiderman Melksham

Pickett B Brown Jackson

Gawn

Viney

Petracca

Brayshaw, Hunt, Harmes, Jetta

To me our back 6 looked more settled in the back half of the year as Tomlinson playing more of true defensive tall allowing Lever to be third man up.  I bring Jetta in hoping he was injured last year  and he can still hold down the small lockdown defender.  I can't see any of our recently drafted players debuting Rd 1.

Salem is he injured ???

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

We screwed up badly with Junior. It's more important to build a culture than try for a short term fix.

He stood by us when he could easily have left for more money.

Who kicked the crucial goal against Geelong in the 2018 elimination final? 

He is heart and souls Melbourne.

Whose Junior?

16 hours ago, Turner said:

really interested on why he would make your side when we literally had brayshaw playing 60% game time because we couldnt fit him in an inside role. With trac, oliver, viney, harmes, brayshaw and then one of the younger breed ie sparrow taking over from jones i really can't see why we would need another big body anywhere near our side

We're going back to 20 minute quarters and a 22 game season - we'll clearly need more midfield rotations than 2020

 

34 minutes ago, 58er said:

Whose Junior?

james mcdonald former skipper that we forced into retirement about the scully trengove grimes era, came out of retirement a year later with GWS for a season

6 hours ago, 58er said:

Salem is he injured ???

I think Rivers will be better than Salem. Think Salem ahead of Hibberd though.

8 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

I think Rivers will be better than Salem. 

Will be much better than Salem who still coasts around not impacting games.

8 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

We screwed up badly with Junior. It's more important to build a culture than try for a short term fix.

He stood by us when he could easily have left for more money.

Who kicked the crucial goal against Geelong in the 2018 elimination final? 

He is heart and souls Melbourne.

Moving on Junior was the wrong cultural decision because it didn't value leadership and experience. Playing Jones if he doesn't deserve it would be the wrong cultural decision because it would be gifting games. He wasn't gifted games last year, they made him work to get in game shape and from round 8-12 anyway he was actually better than he got credit for and better than the other options.

If we're thinking lets get 6 games in to him and then wind him up we're kidding ourselves. The aim should be to trust him to get as close to 6 on merit and if he's 1 or 2 short then maybe we can bend the rules.  If he hasn't earned any games or if he's only earned a few and we're in finals contention then he'll just end up short of the mark but can hold his head high that he's had a heck of a career.

Edited December 12, 20204 yr by DeeSpencer

On 12/11/2020 at 11:20 AM, drdrake said:

If Tom McDonald plays down back I reckon there is a very high chance Steve May will punch him.  Tom was out the door as a defender, cooked, finished, done if he wasn't re-invented as a forward he wouldn't be on our list.  Tomlinson, Petty and Hore are ahead of him as our tall defender with May/Lever

Thinking it is forward or bust for Tmac.  He scares me when he gets anywhere near the back line.  Worse than Oscar was down back, surprises me so many see him going back there and playing any better.  Decision making has always been a bit iffy under any sort of pressure.  Not suited as back line player!  If you could rely on him to crash packs and take many intercept marks to offset the goals he gives away through skill errors maybe it could work.  He would need to up his output immensely.  

Either Weideman or Tmac to play 2nd tall forward, i doubt we will have both in the team very much at all this year.

I know you can’t judge a player on one game but Jones’s last game of the season against Sydney was un-AFL standard. He made 2 or 3 of the worst blunders you’ll see at half forward and looked to be a player who’s time was clearly up.

Will be interesting to see how he’s managed next year to get to 300. Clearly he’ll get to 300 as there’s no other way he could’ve been retained given his age and decline in performance.

20 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Will be much better than Salem who still coasts around not impacting games.

P2J sorry but you obviously missed the last 5/6 games in 2020.

Go back and watch the Giants  game and look at it fairly and watch Salem's impact On the play, speed, and ground cover ( into Forward line). He was very unlucky to not get one of  the Votes that night.

Yes he has cruised a bit too much in the past  but with his extra fitness gained from his USA trip with Trac his last games in 2020 were by far his best as a block. The penny seems to have dropped and I believe He is on the way to being an A grader impacting in a major way and that's why I would play him on a wing occasionally  HFF and a stint in the ball. 
With Bowey Laurie and Rosman all looking good prospects this may not need to happen to get pace snd skill forward and centre.

On 12/12/2020 at 10:45 AM, Turner said:

james mcdonald former skipper that we forced into retirement about the scully trengove grimes era, came out of retirement a year later with GWS for a season

Sorry forgot about James who wasn't handled the best really. Thanks.

15 minutes ago, 58er said:

P2J sorry but you obviously missed the last 5/6 games in 2020.

Go back and watch the Giants  game and look at it fairly and watch Salem's impact On the play, speed, and ground cover ( into Forward line). He was very unlucky to not get one of  the Votes that night.

Yes he has cruised a bit too much in the past  but with his extra fitness gained from his USA trip with Trac his last games in 2020 were by far his best as a block. The penny seems to have dropped and I believe He is on the way to being an A grader impacting in a major way and that's why I would play him on a wing occasionally  HFF and a stint in the ball. 
 

I guess I just recognize his talent and think he hasn't gotten there yet.  I know he can do so much more.

Hope you are right and he explodes in 2021 ike Trac did this year.

Salem has only 5 Brownlow votes in his career, the same  amount Trac had before this season so maybe thats an omen.

Edited December 13, 20204 yr by Pickett2Jackson

3 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

I guess I just recognize his talent and think he hasn't gotten there yet.  I know he can do so much more.

Hope you are right and he explodes in 2021 ike Trac did this year.

Salem has only 5 Brownlow votes in his career, the same  amount Trac had before this season so maybe thats an omen.

Good observation P2J yes that would be great for Salo to explode along with our youngsters improving plus even the new draftees.

On 12/12/2020 at 11:10 AM, 58er said:

Whose Junior?

Mrs McDonald

Edited December 13, 20204 yr by ManDee

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I know you can’t judge a player on one game but Jones’s last game of the season against Sydney was un-AFL standard. He made 2 or 3 of the worst blunders you’ll see at half forward and looked to be a player who’s time was clearly up.

Will be interesting to see how he’s managed next year to get to 300. Clearly he’ll get to 300 as there’s no other way he could’ve been retained given his age and decline in performance.

In the q and a of last week's forum Goodwin was asked about ruthlessness and he had no idea.

Consequntly i think nathan jones is a shoe in to reach 300.

On 12/12/2020 at 11:08 AM, 58er said:

Salem is he injured ???

No  drdrake  had  a BRAIN FREEZE.         OMG!   left him out!  

Edited December 13, 20204 yr by nosoupforme