Delet thread til after the draft surely 

  On 12/11/2020 at 21:57, Kent said:

Please tell Goodwin mate

you wont get any argument on here

Kent and Gawndog Jetta is cooked didn't you see the last 2 games played in 2020? courage alone no pace.

Lockhart in BP

Rivers HBF 

Salem  to wing or HF.

Much needed pace In team. 

 

As a possibly oversimplified comparison, I've been saying for a while that we appear to be in a similar position to Richmond prior to 2017 clicking for them. We have an elite core and then a drop away from the rest after this, as the system and coaching has failed to get the best out of the group. Likewise, the group itself has been too inconsistent. 

For comparison though...

Riewoldt, Rance, Martin, Cotchin, Prestia

Brown, May, Oliver, Petracca, Gawn

Our bookends and midfield are elite. If we get the system right, there's no reason why our team can't win a flag next year. Time to put up. Next year the window is wide open.

Edited November 13, 20204 yr by A F

  On 13/11/2020 at 12:11, A F said:

As a possibly oversimplified comparison, I've been saying for a while that we appear to be in a similar position to Richmond prior to 2017 clicking for them. We have an elite core and then a drop away from the rest after this, as the system and coaching has failed to get the best out of the group. Likewise, the group itself has been too inconsistent. 

For comparison though...

Riewoldt, Rance, Martin, Cotchin, Prestia

Brown, May, Oliver, Petracca, Gawn

Our bookends and midfield are elite. If we get the system right, there's no reason why our team can't win a flag next year. Time to put up. Next year the window is wide open.

Wishful thinking. 2017 turnarounds rarely happen for a reason. May's never played more than 17 games in a season. Brown needs to not only bounce back after a dreadful year but go to another level to get anything near what Riewoldt did that year. Petracca's the closest thing to Dusty but still a mile off him.

But the biggest difference is the Tigers were recruiting for speed for the best part of a decade and after coaching against their personnel they finally got a game plan going. We've recruited for contested ball winners which is a failed strategy given how good the pressure is these days. Slow and unskilled players will turn the ball over under pressure and then it takes a whole lot of ball winning to keep getting it back enough times.

I see more similarities with Port last year in the way they've turned around a middling side with a ball winning midfield in to something far more exciting. I don't think we have the backline and outside midfield class or enough grunt and aggression in the forward line to really scare teams. Of course the most vital thing for us to improve on to match contenders is our midfield playing selfless, skilled, super hard running footy

  On 13/11/2020 at 12:11, A F said:

As a possibly oversimplified comparison, I've been saying for a while that we appear to be in a similar position to Richmond prior to 2017 clicking for them. We have an elite core and then a drop away from the rest after this, as the system and coaching has failed to get the best out of the group. Likewise, the group itself has been too inconsistent. 

For comparison though...

Riewoldt, Rance, Martin, Cotchin, Prestia

Brown, May, Oliver, Petracca, Gawn

Our bookends and midfield are elite. If we get the system right, there's no reason why our team can't win a flag next year. Time to put up. Next year the window is wide open.

Agree

  On 12/11/2020 at 13:25, WERRIDEE said:

WERRIDEE'S POST TRADE 22 AND RESERVES TEAM FOR 2021.

B: HIBBERD, MAY, LEVER

HB: RIVERS, TOMLINSON, SALEM

C : LANGDON, PETRACCA, BAKER

HF: MELKSHAM, JACKSON, FRITSCH

F: PICKETT, B.BROWN, WEIDEMAN

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

IC: BRAYSHAW, HARMES, HUNT, HORE

EMERG: JONES, VANDENBERG, SPARROW, NEAL-BULLEN

 

B: LOCKHART(ROOKIE), SMITH, JETTA

HB: CHANDLER (ROOKIE), PETTY, NEITSCHKE (ROOKIE)

C : VANDENBERG, JONES, DRAFT PICK

HF: NEAL-BULLEN, MCDONALD, DRAFT PICK

F: BEDFORD, M.BROWN (ROOKIE), SPARGO

FOLL: BRADTKE (ROOKIEB), SPARROW, JORDON

IC: KOLODJASHNIJ, DARFT PICK, DRAFT PICK

2021 STARTING  ROUND 1
 

B    Lockhart May Hibberd

HB  Lever Petty Rivers

C     Langdon  Petracca  Baker

HF   Salem  Jackson  Fritsch 

F      Pickett  B.Brown  Weideman 

Foll   Gawn Oliver Viney

Inter  Brayshaw  Harmes Hunt Tomlinson

Emerg   Melksham  T. McDonald  Jones Sparrow.

Others  Van den Berg   Hore   Neal-Bullen Spargo J.Smith  M.Brown Jetta Jordon 

 

Everyone freaking out about that other wing spot, while I am just chilling knowing it belongs to Trent Rivers.

So I know we still have the draft and DFA period to go. But I feel we're far enough along to make some predictions in this spot now.

FB: Lever, May, (one of Jetta, Lockhart, Chandler)

HB: Hibberd, Tomlinson, Salem

C: Langdon, Petracca, Fritsch - move to a wing

HF: Melksham, Weideman, Harmes

FF: Hunt, B. Brown, Pickett

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

INT: Brayshaw, Jackson, Rivers, 22nd man*

*22nd spot is a hard one to decide who should get it. Would love to see Jones given 6 opportunities here, maybe try some of the kids like Sparrow, Jordan, Baker, Spargo or one of this years draft picks pending the opponent we're up against. And maybe if we're up against a tall opponents Petty or Tom McDonald could get a game.

  On 13/11/2020 at 15:35, Pickett2Jackson said:

Everyone freaking out about that other wing spot, while I am just chilling knowing it belongs to Trent Rivers.

Reckon you may just be right Pickett. 

Although I do like him running and linking from half back, and continuing along. He's not an 'out here' guy like Langdon, who is able to hold position in space. 

FB: Hibberd May Lever
HB: Hore Tomlinson Salem
 

C: Langdon Petracca Rivers
R: Gawn  Oliver Viney
 

HF: Harmes* Weideman Jackson
FF: Pickett Brown Fritsch

Int: Brayshaw, Spargo, Lockhart, Petty/TMac/Sparrow depending on matchups.

Emg:  Jones, Sparrow, TMac, ANB

* = rotating mid

Recon Rivers can really be an elite ball user and eventually a good midfielder, his ball use on the wing is what we need.  Baker also a chance but alot of work to do on his game.

  On 13/11/2020 at 15:35, Pickett2Jackson said:

Everyone freaking out about that other wing spot, while I am just chilling knowing it belongs to Trent Rivers.

Rivers doesn't have a great tank. He's a good ball winner and smart around the contest. The wing wouldn't suit him. If he's to progress to half back it should be in to the on ball rotation.

  On 13/11/2020 at 15:33, 58er said:

2021 STARTING  ROUND 1
 

B    Lockhart May Hibberd

HB  Lever Petty Rivers

C     Langdon  Petracca  Baker

HF   Salem  Jackson  Fritsch 

F      Pickett  B.Brown  Weideman 

Foll   Gawn Oliver Viney

Inter  Brayshaw  Harmes Hunt Tomlinson

Emerg   Melksham  T. McDonald  Jones Sparrow.

Others  Van den Berg   Hore   Neal-Bullen Spargo J.Smith  M.Brown Jetta Jordon 

 

Petty hardly played I wouldnt be relying on him just yet

Any body point me to some highlights of luke Jackson

Thanks

  On 13/11/2020 at 21:52, Kent said:

Petty hardly played I wouldnt be relying on him just yet

That's like some people ruling Tommy Mac out of playing AFL this year.

Each season a team or player starts From scratch and can train and play practice game/s so well that he Can't  be ignored.
 

Yes Harry will do well to play Round 1  but he would be desperate to No doubt.

Deep down Tommy likewise Imagine if the 2018 Tomny returned with Harry and BBB at full forward how good would our chances be fir the Top 4???

  On 14/11/2020 at 00:02, Kent said:

Any body point me to some highlights of luke Jackson

Thanks

 

  On 14/11/2020 at 04:01, Gawndog98 said:

 

Cheers GD Many thanks

  On 12/11/2020 at 13:25, WERRIDEE said:

WERRIDEE'S POST TRADE 22 AND RESERVES TEAM FOR 2021.

B: HIBBERD, MAY, LEVER

HB: RIVERS, TOMLINSON, SALEM

C : LANGDON, PETRACCA, BAKER

HF: MELKSHAM, JACKSON, FRITSCH

F: PICKETT, B.BROWN, WEIDEMAN

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

IC: BRAYSHAW, HARMES, HUNT, HORE

EMERG: JONES, VANDENBERG, SPARROW, NEAL-BULLEN

 

B: LOCKHART(ROOKIE), SMITH, JETTA

HB: CHANDLER (ROOKIE), PETTY, NEITSCHKE (ROOKIE)

C : VANDENBERG, JONES, DRAFT PICK

HF: NEAL-BULLEN, MCDONALD, DRAFT PICK

F: BEDFORD, M.BROWN (ROOKIE), SPARGO

FOLL: BRADTKE (ROOKIEB), SPARROW, JORDON

IC: KOLODJASHNIJ, DARFT PICK, DRAFT PICK

There is a spelling error on the line relating to the IC (Interchange). "Darft Pick"  should be "Daft Pick" The word is British informal English meaning stupid or insane.  Of course Melbourne has made many daft picks. The excreciable  Nield era was noted for them. Fortunately I think we are far more professional now and it would be unfortunate to label the player on the interchange bench as a daft pick, although at some time the description may be accurate.

  On 07/11/2020 at 12:05, Pickett2Jackson said:

Cant say I am too thrilled by the best 22''s.     Tomlinson at CHB is depressing.  Need Harrison Petty to have a big summer.

So much will come down to the improvement of Pickett and Luke Jackson. 

Also need to clone Travis Johnstone, he would be the icing on the cake for this team.

Can someone please tell me about Petty, a lot seem to love him but to be honest I know stuff all about him

Attributes etc..

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-preview-best-22s-after-trade-period-trade-news-2020-trades-team-analysis-new-players-ins-and-outs-changes/news-story/6ad5ddcc81966c7cd5e21c9e35081eb3

  On 13/11/2020 at 15:33, 58er said:

2021 STARTING  ROUND 1
 

B    Lockhart May Hibberd

HB  Lever Petty Rivers

C     Langdon  Petracca  Baker

HF   Salem  Jackson  Fritsch 

F      Pickett  B.Brown  Weideman 

Foll   Gawn Oliver Viney

Inter  Brayshaw  Harmes Hunt Tomlinson

Emerg   Melksham  T. McDonald  Jones Sparrow.

Others  Van den Berg   Hore   Neal-Bullen Spargo J.Smith  M.Brown Jetta Jordon 

 

like Salem on the HF Flank 

Hibberd May Lever

Salem TMac  Tomlinson

Langdon. Viney.  Rivers

Pickett.   Weideman. Jackson

Fritsch.    B. Brown.    Petracca 

Gawn. Oliver Brayshaw 

int- Harmes , Jones, Spargo , Melksham

Emg - M Brown. Lockhart Baker Sparrow Hore

Edited November 20, 20204 yr by DeeZee

Lever              May                 Hibberd

Hore               Petty                Salem

Langdon         Oliver              Rivers

Fritsch          Weideman       Hunt

Pickett           B.Brown         Jackson

Gawn             Petracca         Viney

IC      Brayshaw      Baker    Harmes    Melksham

 

Emergencies   -     Sparrow    Tomlinson     Spargo     Lockhart

 

I love the look of the forward line, plenty of speed and unpredictability in there especially when Trac rests there. Backing Hunt in to be a consistent forward, not with much confidence though. If he can step up we will be so much more dangerous.

Petty will make CHB his, watch this space.   Hore to have a great season sweeping up and intercepting across halfback.

We really need an experienced back up ruckman.

  On 12/11/2020 at 12:28, Gawndog98 said:

B: Jetta, May, Hibberd

HB: Lever, T.Macdonald, Salem

C: Langdon, Brayshaw, Tomlinson

HF: Fritsch, Weideman, Petracca

F: Pickett, B.Brown, Viney

R: Gawn, Oliver, Harmes

I: Jackson, Rivers, Melksham, Spargo

 

Only potential change I would make is Tomlinson out, Salem to a wing, Hunt to a half back flank or if we pick up a classy half back flanker with one of our picks they could potentially step in.

This is how I would set up:

3 tall forwards (Brown, Weideman, Jackson)

3 small forwards (Pickett, Viney, Spargo)

3 medium forwards (Fritsch, Petracca, Melksham)

3 full time inside mids (Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes)

Petracca to split his time 50/50 between forward and midfield, Viney to split 75/25  forward midfield, Jackson to split 50/50 forward midfield (25% ruck, 25% inside mid)

Harmes to go back tagging the best mid and then getting his own pill, melksham to go back to negating the best defender and then being linkman between midfield and forwards

Jetta and Hibberd to lock down on small forwards, Salem and Rivers to rebound from half back, May Lever and Tmac can form really good defence and rebound

 

Honestly reckon if everyone is utilised in the right position we can definitely contend for top 4 and a flag next year, bring it on.

 

 

Not a bad configuration at all. There is plenty of talent, mobility and the linkages both offensively and defensively are quite evident. However, we all have some preferences and mine would be Hunt - he needs to be (IMO) in the team and preferably in the forward line, used from the interchange bench; I'd replace Spargo at this point with Hunt, and Hunt to be given a 'bit of' a roving utility role in that breath of absolute speed and kicking skills. (It is pleasing to see Tomlinson on the wing opposite to Langdon - he has the run and carry, nearly always in space, to assist the potency of the forward set-ups. I just hope the backmen can look for him, see him and exploit his 'space'-finding attributes in season 2021.

Edited November 20, 20204 yr by Deemania since 56

Lifted from the AFL website this morning. I reckon its about right except for Harmes on the wing. I'd throw Baker in from the get go to see whats he's made of. Use Harmes off the inter-change and AVB as an emergency.

"The addition of Ben Brown from North will give Melbourne's forward line a different look, particularly if Luke Jackson can build on the promising start to his career. That leaves 2018 breakout star Tom McDonald in limbo after the club tried – and failed – to find him a new home. Adam Tomlinson looks best suited to a key role in defence, leaving a wing spot open that can be filled by James Harmes after he failed to fire in the backline in 2020. With speed and skill set to be a priority, Jayden Hunt adds pace on an attacking flank, while Charlie Spargo provides forward nous and pressure. Look for athletic wingman Oskar Baker to push into the side early in the season, but much-loved warriors Nathan Jones and Neville Jetta seem best suited to providing squad depth these days. Harry Petty and Marty Hore will add competition for places in defence, assuming their return to fitness after injury-ruined seasons.

B: Jake Lever, Steven May, Michael Hibberd

HB: Trent Rivers, Adam Tomlinson, Christian Salem

C: James Harmes, Angus Brayshaw, Ed Langdon

HF: Jayden Hunt, Sam Weideman, Christian Petracca

F: Kozzy Pickett, Ben Brown, Bayley Fritsch

R: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Jack Viney

I/C: Luke Jackson, Charlie Spargo, Aaron vandenBerg, Jake Melksham

Emerg: Oskar Baker, Jay Lockhart, Nathan Jones, Tom Sparrow

We've got to add at least one more small forward. All of the forward lines put up here, still look way out of balance.

I'd like to see Melksham moved to another position (except when a HBF requires a tag) and replaced with a genuine small forward (Bedford or incoming player).

Our forward strategy is to pin the opposition defence in for repeat entries, however, we don't have the right cattle to get that done.

If we had two (or even three) Kozzys, I think it would unlock our whole game plan.

We need players that understand the running patterns (mostly unrewarded) required.

That's why I'm not so sure about dropping a mid in there. It can be done but it would require a pre-season of training and education.