20 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

What's the evidence he doesn't listen?

Seriously.

There is none.

25 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

There is none.

Where's the evidence he does?

12 hours ago, CHF said:

So? It was obviously a very quick exhaustive process.

Correct.  They put the question to a super computer and it came back with 29.

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Where's the evidence he does?

Some posters on here saying he doesn't listen to anyone, they need to supply evidence he doesn't. If they can't it would have to be accepted he takes things on board, but you can just listen to the rumor mongers if you wish .

 

Most of goodwins problems stem from the fact he doesn’t really have a plan. 

That’s why we make way too many selection changes and changes to our set up week to week. 

why we’ve had 3 captains in 4 years 

why the leadership group has changed every single year he’s been in charge 

why we’re continually out coached on game day. 
 

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

You can have the best assistants in the game, but if the coach doesn’t listen to them they count for squat. Our biggest coaching change will rely on Goodwin’s willingness to listen and be flexible in his coaching

If he doesn’t listen at the moment, he won’t have much of a choice now that Pert has got involved.

20 minutes ago, Dr evil said:

Most of goodwins problems stem from the fact he doesn’t really have a plan. 

That’s why we make way too many selection changes and changes to our set up week to week. 

why we’ve had 3 captains in 4 years 

why the leadership group has changed every single year he’s been in charge 

why we’re continually out coached on game day. 
 

Its been all too obvious this year and has cost us games.

After 4 years do you see Goodwin developing a plan?

Edited October 23, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

6 hours ago, Dr evil said:

My mail for those interested. 
 

1. Ben brown is likely to be a dee, money isn’t an issue with this deal it’s agreed in principal. We’ve made our pitch now Ben brown is taking some time to consider his options but we are at the front of the que, despite less money because were a vic based finals contender.

2. We made an approach to Nathan Bassett about joining as our forwards coach but he declined. 
 

3. the club is actively looking to get back into the top 10 of the draft. Have had a keen interest in finlay McRae as lord nev mentioned for some time 

4. Clayton Oliver was unhappy. He spoke to the power brokers at the club and he’s fine for now. Wouldn’t wanna have a bad year next year though. 
 

5. issac Smith is going to be a demon. And the hawks know it. It was 50/50 but Adam yze coming appears to have got him to favour joining Melbourne 

6. We’ve also made an approach to Tom Phillips. We’d ideally like that to be a straight swap for t Mac. Not sure where that sits. 

You are very well informed. ?

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Where's the evidence he does?

Doesn't work that way OD. The statement was made that he doesn't listen. If you have nothing to back it up, sit down.

27 minutes ago, A F said:

Doesn't work that way OD. The statement was made that he doesn't listen. If you have nothing to back it up, sit down.

Yes but by saying where is the evidence that he doesn't you are implying he does. I have no idea if he takes advice or not I just get the feeling he is single minded about how he wants the team to play. I think he is trying to make the players fit the plan which I see is not working. If he got a game plan that enabled the players to play to their strengths we might have more success.
But who knows I just Know we are not playing like a side that can play finals.

15 minutes ago, old dee said:

Yes but by saying where is the evidence that he doesn't you are implying he does. I have no idea if he takes advice or not I just get the feeling he is single minded about how he wants the team to play. I think he is trying to make the players fit the plan which I see is not working. If he got a game plan that enabled the players to play to their strengths we might have more success.
But who knows I just Know we are not playing like a side that can play finals.

I don't wholly disagree with you here, OD, just that there's certainly evidence that Goodwin does listen to some extent, hence the changing of systems mid year a couple of times now, and other tweaks in season to certain areas of the back plan (the Diamond Defence, the no wingers, the two off the back of the square).

None of us can be completely sure, but I reckon we can point to more evidence that he's open to listening given how much we experiment. He can't possibly be behind all the ideas. It's a consultative process.

I think he does need strong leaders around him that challenge him though. Hopefully Pert, Yze and more to come, will do this.

Surprised to see that it's only taken 4 pages of a dedicated rumours and mail thread to escalate into speculation and bashing of Simon Goodwin ?‍♂️?‍♂️

Interesting about the Tom Phillips talks @CHF and @Dr evil

Do you see him coming across?

And have you heard about any talk regarding Nick Hind from St Kilda?

Where's the riddles of Grand New Flag when we need them!

16 hours ago, CHF said:

I have heard that we are into Brown big time but that the situation at Norf has muddied the waters. 60/40 that we get him is what I have been told.

Big Macs on the table and not a lot of interest.

Not sure how this is going to work. Brown in but no Mac out, plus Weideman and Jackson?

45 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Where's the riddles of Grand New Flag when we need them!

He's too busy trying to decipher the answers to all his riddles of past years,  none of which ever eventuated.

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Interesting about the Tom Phillips talks @CHF and @Dr evil

Do you see him coming across?

And have you heard about any talk regarding Nick Hind from St Kilda?

Nick hind and goody actually go quite a long way back so it doesn’t surprise me at all that we’d be interested. Which I definitely think we are. 
 

I think Phillips himself would prefer to stay. Bit of a case of the pies trying to free up room. He’d be a great get though 

11 hours ago, Dees247 said:

Can you clarify what you mean this?

From what was related to me, the change in coaching at Norf has had an impact in Brown's decision making timeline.

It may have already been mentioned but how would we get back into the top 10 in this years draft to get Macrae if interested? Are we allowed to trade our 2021 first round?

15 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

Any name in particular or just a hunch at this stage?

As I said, nothing to back it up. Just a hunch based on past performances.

2 minutes ago, joshua said:

It may have already been mentioned but how would we get back into the top 10 in this years draft to get Macrae if interested? Are we allowed to trade our 2021 first round?

Yes. I believe clubs are supposed to take 2 first rounders in a 4 year period. We used 2 last year, so we’ve bought ourselves some flexibility with future 1st pick trading.

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Interesting about the Tom Phillips talks @CHF and @Dr evil

Do you see him coming across?

And have you heard about any talk regarding Nick Hind from St Kilda?

I heard nothing on Hind. Regards Phillips - I believe we have spoken to him and I have no idea of the situation except that he is well regarded .

3 hours ago, bing181 said:

Not sure how this is going to work. Brown in but no Mac out, plus Weideman and Jackson?

Bing, That may not be the final situation, there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge before it becomes clear.

6 minutes ago, joshua said:

It may have already been mentioned but how would we get back into the top 10 in this years draft to get Macrae if interested? Are we allowed to trade our 2021 first round?

Been mentioned here elsewhere. Preuss and pick 23 for GWS pick 9

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

Been mentioned here elsewhere. Preuss and pick 23 for GWS pick 9

How do we trade for Brown? Futures?

GWS would lose that deal

Edited October 23, 20204 yr by Moonshadow