Jump to content

2021 AFL National Draft prospects: The next batch


TRIGON

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, BAMF said:

 

Exactly.

However the question I would really like answered is how much time and resources we have put into this already. 

I have a feeling that it isn't much.

It's frustrating that we miss out on Mac due to the rule change, however the JUH situation should never have occurred. If they applied the new rule after we got Mac I most likely wouldn't care.

Well Mac Andrew has been in our NGA system since he was 14 years of age. That's according to Jason Taylor. But clubs are generally pretty good integrating each year into their development. When they're about 16-17 years of age, club will usually invite them down during the pre season for a week or two and train with the footy club. They also might do some work experience as well during the year. Mostly it's all about building them up into that professional environment so that they're ready from day dot.

My take is that the AFL overreacted last year because club recruiters whinged about the whole JUH situation. Jason Taylor is right, there should have been some minor changes and a bit more charity instead of just jumping the gun so suddenly. But, unfortunately it is what it is.

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

44 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well Mac Andrew has been in our NGA system since he was 14 years of age. That's according to Jason Taylor. But clubs are generally pretty good integrating each year into their development. When they're about 16-17 years of age, club will usually invite them down during the pre season for a week or two and train with the footy club. They also might do some work experience as well during the year. Mostly it's all about building them up into that professional environment so that they're ready from day dot.

My take is that the AFL overreacted last year because club recruiters whinged about the whole JUH situation. Jason Taylor is right, there should have been some minor changes and a bit more charity instead of just jumping the gun so suddenly. But, unfortunately it is what it is.

 

We would have had a couple of training sessions a year for our NGA.  Clubs when they first announced the NGA put some effort into them holding regular training but after the first year they realised effort V reward was little and reverted to signing a lot but not doing much.  You might find highly talented kids would have been doing some pre-season training with AFL teams in their draft year.

Clubs are cracking it due to the Northern states NGA, they get access to every kids in their allocated Zone.  Look at Sydney, they put a lot of time into their Academy, Paul Roos was involved with this coaching, they have a number of senior good players that came from their academy.

I think the AFL changed up the ruling for Gold Coast, they also changed all the Zones gave them more

  • Angry 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, drdrake said:

We would have had a couple of training sessions a year for our NGA.  Clubs when they first announced the NGA put some effort into them holding regular training but after the first year they realised effort V reward was little and reverted to signing a lot but not doing much.  You might find highly talented kids would have been doing some pre-season training with AFL teams in their draft year.

Clubs are cracking it due to the Northern states NGA, they get access to every kids in their allocated Zone.  Look at Sydney, they put a lot of time into their Academy, Paul Roos was involved with this coaching, they have a number of senior good players that came from their academy.

I think the AFL changed up the ruling for Gold Coast, they also changed all the Zones gave them more

Yes, I know of someone with a son in an AFL club’s NGA. They usually start out with open days for eligible players within their zone for 14 year olds that are simply aimed at being fun and they then go on to be more serious with squads at 16/17. Jason Taylor referred to Mac playing in a trial game just before Covid 19 out at Beaconsfield before he showed some significant improvement through the Stingrays earlier this season. I got the impression that we didn’t put that much time into him - unlike Toby Bedford and Deakyn Smith who came to Melbourne through the NGA. We would be entitled to crack it if he we worked with him over a long period of time in which he was recognized as a future star and played in state under 16 and 18 squads and the like. But I don’t believe Taylor is claiming that. If we don’t get him, we might be stiff but we have no cause to complain.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/2/2021 at 10:55 AM, Grimes Times said:

@EdPascoe_eDPS from https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/ doesnt have Mac Andrews in his top 20. Only needs one club to have him inside 20 though.

 

Image

 

With the NAB League cancelled and little prospect of the national competition games taking place, our Victorian prospects are going to be at a distinct disadvantage. They can’t even train together and might not even have the combine to show what they’ve got. I think this means that there are going to be some very good players attainable outside the top 20.

Victorian draft hopefuls miss on-field chance to impress AFL recruiters

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Pinball Wizard said:

With the NAB League cancelled and little prospect of the national competition games taking place, our Victorian prospects are going to be at a distinct disadvantage. They can’t even train together and might not even have the combine to show what they’ve got. I think this means that there are going to be some very good players attainable outside the top 20.

Victorian draft hopefuls miss on-field chance to impress AFL recruiters

One on the recruiters on Cals road to the draft podcast also said there’s not a lot difference in players between picks 10/15 and 35. Given the high strike rate JT has is recent drafts he may well find a couple of gems in the second round. 

I wonder would it be smart not to  trade for a player this year- try and improve our first 2 picks in the draft(prob  take Tai Woewodin later) and leave our first rounder next year in case we need to make a move for a tall forward. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Colm said:

One on the recruiters on Cals road to the draft podcast also said there’s not a lot difference in players between picks 10/15 and 35. Given the high strike rate JT has is recent drafts he may well find a couple of gems in the second round. 

I wonder would it be smart not to  trade for a player this year- try and improve our first 2 picks in the draft(prob  take Tai Woewodin later) and leave our first rounder next year in case we need to make a move for a tall forward. 
 

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

59 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

What about Andrew as that key forward? Imagine getting all of Cerra, Andrew and Woewodin the tent will definitely be up then

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Just now, Chelly said:

What expectations would people have from a full forward in his first year given that we’ve had Sam Weideman on our books for six seasons for 49 games and 49 goals?

None

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Chelly said:

What expectations would people have from a full forward in his first year given that we’ve had Sam Weideman on our books for six seasons for 49 games and 49 goals?

If you're talking about Andrew as a potential key forward then personally I don't see that in him at all. 

Hasn't shown one bit that he has the capability to play up forward at under 18s level. I see more potential as a ruck but more so down back playing the same role similar to Alir Alir.

At least with Luke Jackson when he went back to Colts level towards the end of 2019 he started to hit the score board when playing up forward as a genuine key forward.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If you're talking about Andrew as a potential key forward then personally I don't see that in him at all. 

Hasn't shown one bit that he has the capability to play up forward at under 18s level. I see more potential as a ruck but more so down back playing the same role similar to Alir Alir.

At least with Luke Jackson when he went back to Colts level towards the end of 2019 he started to hit the score board when playing up forward as a genuine key forward.

Bloody hard assessing players from Victoria, you basically have 2 years of little to no football.  There was most likely more PSA football than NAB U19 football this year in Victoria.

I liked Johnson from WA last week, really good size moved well and found a lot of the footy.  The other one from WA was no 34 blond player in the middle.

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

24 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Bloody hard assessing players from Victoria, you basically have 2 years of little to no football.  There was most likely more PSA football than NAB U19 football this year in Victoria.

I liked Johnson from WA last week, really good size moved well and found a lot of the footy.  The other one from WA was no 34 blond player in the middle.

 

Incredibly hard.

Once again a lot of the recruiting will once again go off footage that's been recorded throughout games and also limited form this year as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Incredibly hard.

Once again a lot of the recruiting will once again go off footage that's been recorded throughout games and also limited form this year as well.

It is going to be interesting to see the on going effects of the last 2 years on any athlete from all sports that are 15-16 years old.  Younger than that you have a chance to still get the body of work in you need but the 15-16yo have lost 2 years of really important development.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

It is going to be interesting to see the on going effects of the last 2 years on any athlete from all sports that are 15-16 years old.  Younger than that you have a chance to still get the body of work in you need but the 15-16yo have lost 2 years of really important development.

The kids who want to make it in that age group will put in the necessary work.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

12 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The kids who want to make it in that age group will put in the necessary work.

Agree, they can keep fitness up but the 14-16 age group is a really important stage of development, you start to really learn how to play the game.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


The AFL Draft Central Power Rankings for September, 2021 are out. 

The list goes down to #30. The player named in that position is an excellent young key position player Jacob van Rooyen who was close to BOG in the recent Under 19 national championship match for WA v SA. There are some handy players outside the 30 described as being “in the mix” so Jason Taylor should have plenty to work on come draft night even if a club snatched Mac Andrew out of our clutches.

Draft Central Power Rankings: September 2021

  • Like 3
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/1/2021 at 7:45 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Isn't he a NGA to one of the Adelaide clubs?

I believe he was initially in Ports NGA squad, but doesn't appear to still be tied (would go too high for them to match anyway). He's free to anyone with a pick in the 10-16 range.  Maybe higher with a few more eye catching performances.

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/3/2021 at 10:51 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

Players could net us picks,  also would expect us to dangle our future first again to get a '21 first rounder in.

Would imagine the Dogs pick will be in play with Darcy to be matched much higher than their 1st rd pick, possibly GWS' pick 13 is worth targeting.

Whether we end up taking any picks we trade in to the draft, or whether we get deep into other trade scenarios will be interesting.

Edited by ChaserJ
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, ChaserJ said:

Players could net us picks,  also would expect us to dangle our future first again to get a '21 first rounder in.

Would imagine the Dogs pick will be in play with Darcy to be matched much higher than their 1st rd pick, possibly GWS' pick 13 is worth targeting.

Whether we end up taking any picks we trade in to the draft, or whether we get deep into other trade scenarios will be interesting.

While the club has other fish to fry at this point in time, no doubt JT and TL are working out strategies to improve the club’s draft position as happened last year. No club can afford to stand still.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Chris Doerre has put out his September Power rankings on ESPN (and on bigfooty where he’s known as Knightmare). 

AFL Draft - September's Power Rankings: Two father-sons in the likely first three picks

Like most of the draft pundits, he has two father-son players in the likely first three picks and what follows reflects a diversity of thinking about the top prospects resulting in part from the interruption to a large portion of the season through the lockdowns.

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

42 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Chris Doerre has put out his September Power rankings on ESPN (and on bigfooty where he’s known as Knightmare). 

AFL Draft - September's Power Rankings: Two father-sons in the likely first three picks

Like most of the draft pundits, he has two father-son players in the likely first three picks and what follows reflects a diversity of thinking about the top prospects resulting in part from the interruption to a large portion of the season through the lockdowns.

Thanks WJ.  I find the ‘weaknesses’ list interesting.  Given we will want whomever we get to have footy smarts, a strong defensive work rate and quality delivery, it rules many out.  Mac Andrew will not get the luxury of jumping by himself in AFL too often so his weakness of not coping when man on man is a concern.  Much longer term prospect perhaps.

I think we may not trouble the top end of the draft pool this year.  

at the moment I can’t really focus beyond the game(s) ahead, good thing TL and JT are on the case.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/3/2021 at 10:51 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

I’m sure if we are very keen on a player in the 20-30 pick range we could move up if we wanted too. We would prob have to lose a bit on draft point but I’m sure it could be done. Pies, Dogs, Suns and Richmond would be open to swaps for different reasons I think. 
If nothing else I’d like to get in front of the cats as they seem to target players that we are interested in. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    BLOODY BLUES by Meggs

    The conclusion to Narrm’s home and away season was the inevitable let down by the bloody Blues  who meekly capitulated to the Bombers.   The 2024 season fixture handicapped the Demons chances from the get-go with Port Adelaide, Brisbane and Essendon advantaged with enough gimme games to ensure a tough road to the finals, especially after a slew of early season injuries to star players cost wins and percentage.     As we strode confidently through the gates of Prin

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    2024 Player Reviews: #5 Christian Petracca

    Melbourne’s most important player who dominated the first half of the season until his untimely injury in the Kings Birthday clash put an end to his season. At the time, he was on his way to many personal honours and the club in strong finals contention. When the season did end for Melbourne and Petracca was slowly recovering, he was engulfed in controversy about a possible move of clubs amid claims about his treatment by the club in the immediate aftermath of his injury. Date of Birth: 4 J

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 21

    2024 Player Reviews: #2 Jacob van Rooyen

    Strong marking youngster who plays forward and relief ruck, continued to make significant strides forward in his career path. The Demons have high hopes for van Rooyen as he stakes his claim to become an elite attacking forward. Date of Birth: 16 April 2003 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 41 Goals MFC 2024: 30 Career Total: 58 Brownlow Medal Votes: 1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 26

    LIVE AND LET DIE by Meggs

    The Demons’ impressive late season charge to finals will most likely come unstuck this Saturday evening when the Bombers blow up the also-ran Blues in the Ikon Park double-header.   To mangle McCartney, what does it matter to ya? To have any chance to play next week Narrm has got a job to do and needs to do it well.  We’ve got to give the Pie sheilas hell, say live and let die! It’s Indigenous Round for this game and the chance to celebrate and engage with Aboriginal and Torres

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    2024 Player Reviews: #32 Tom Sparrow

    Had to shoulder more responsibility as the club’s injury concerns deepened but needs to step up more as he closes in on 100 games. Date of Birth: 31 May 2000 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 95 Goals MFC 2024: 6 Career Total: 34 Games CDFC: 1 Goals CDFL: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 24

    2024 Player Reviews: #35 Harry Petty

    Date of Birth: 12 November 1999 Height: 197cm Games MFC 2024: 20 Career Total: 82 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 28 Brownlow Medal Votes 3 Failed to fulfill the promise of his breakout six goal effort against the Tigers in 2023 and was generally disappointing as a key forward. It remains to be seen whether Simon Goodwin will persevere with him in attack or return him to the backline where he was an important cog in the club’s 2021 premiership success.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 18

    2024 Player Reviews: #22 Blake Howes

    After a bright start to the season, playing mostly in defence, Howes seemed to lose his way in midseason but fought back with some good performances at Casey and finished the year back at AFL level. One to watch in 2024. Date of Birth: 7 March 2003 Height: 191cm Games MFC 2024: 15 Career Total:  15 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total:  0 Games CDFC 2024: 6 Goals CDFC 2024: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #33 Tom Fullarton

    Originally an NBL basketballer with the Brisbane Bullets, he moved across town in 2019 to the AFL Lions where he played 19 games before crossing to Melbourne where he was expected to fill a role as a back up ruckman/key forward. Unfortunately, didn’t quite get there although he did finish equal sixth in Casey’s best and fairest award. Date of Birth: 23 February 1999 Height: 198cm Games CDFC: 14 Goals CDFL: 13

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8

    2024 Player Reviews: #10 Angus Brayshaw

    Sadly, had to wrap up a great career in midstream on the back of multiple concussions which culminated in the Maynard hit in the 2023 Qualifying Final. His loss to the club was inestimable over and above his on field talent given his character and leadership qualities, all of which have been sorely missed. Date of Birth: 9 January 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 167 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 49

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...