1 hour ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

That email took us nowhere and gave us nothing

Classic corporate waffle

I disagree - Pert has now put his own reputation on the line, by owning the responsibility. Good leadership in my book. Whether it works or not, is another question...

I heard the Saint Kilda CEO talk on the radio the other day and he said that the Saints were acknowledging and rewarding the support of their 2020 members by offering to upgrade (for no additional cost) to the next level of membership all members that renew their membership for 2021...

I read Pert's email hoping for something similar, and was disappointed.

Edited October 8, 20204 yr by PaulRB

57 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

Just a hunch, but imo Pert has a 'hard edge'.  Exactly what our Club needs in this situation, and what most of us have been baying for.

It's not the external review I was hoping for Df. But better than nothing, we wait with baited breath for the results.

39 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I heard the Saint Kilda CEO talk on the radio the other day and he said that the Saint were acknowledging and rewarding the support of their 2020 members by offering to upgrade (for no additional cost) to the next level of menbership all members that renew their membership for 2021...

I read Pert's email hoping for something similar, and was disappointed.

Yep, pretty poor the way members have been treated by the club this year. Other clubs are doing a lot more. Expect membership to be abysmal in 2021.

It’s a corporate message. But it still was very worthwhile to communicate and shows the members that the club is doing something. 
 

Deep dive. Every club undertakes a post season post mortum.  
 

I agree that the coaching ranks should thin out as a result.  

9 hours ago, 3183 Dee said:

I disagree - Pert has now put his own reputation on the line, by owning the responsibility. Good leadership in my book. Whether it works or not, is another question...

He's the CEO. His ownership is not in question. And he signed Goodwin for 4 years, so his Rod Grinters are kinda on the line...

My point was more simple though... The email update was just empty

8 hours ago, wonnabeeri said:

Yep, pretty poor the way members have been treated by the club this year. Other clubs are doing a lot more. Expect membership to be abysmal in 2021.

Our membership department has always been fairly poor in comparison to most others in regards to rewarding those who have stuck by the club - I feel like they've been severely hamstrung by those above them in wanting to reward people who are faithful.  Other clubs promised functions for 2020 members, discounts, sent out extra packs and the like - ours froze membership prices and that's about it. I think they actually underfund the membership department. They need more people working for them, more engagement, and a bigger team to actually devise ways to keep members engaged and make prospective members feel like there's an actual reason to join up.

13 hours ago, pagedown said:

Our membership department has always been fairly poor in comparison to most others in regards to rewarding those who have stuck by the club - I feel like they've been severely hamstrung by those above them in wanting to reward people who are faithful.  Other clubs promised functions for 2020 members, discounts, sent out extra packs and the like - ours froze membership prices and that's about it. I think they actually underfund the membership department. They need more people working for them, more engagement, and a bigger team to actually devise ways to keep members engaged and make prospective members feel like there's an actual reason to join up.

All of that costs a lot extra, the MFC is a small club by AFL standards. We just have to accept until we are power on the field resources in all areas will be less than most clubs. Win games it fixes everything.

By signing Yze I assume that the review has finished. Now they are in the process of hiring/firing/shuffling staff in response to those findings.

The Yze article and hiring would appear to say three things:

1. Goodwin will be retained for 2021 for better or worse. Yze quotes referenced working with Goody, that would give a strong indication that Goodwin will be head coach going into season 2021. 

2. Yze has experience in development, kicking/skills development, Match Day Strategy and Opposition...Our performance in 2019-20 would suggest we are missing in every single one of these attributes. With less coaching staff I would say Adem will have inputs on all of these but mainly hoping for his expertise in Match Day Strategy and Opposition. This would surely encompass assisting with the team selection/positioning which equally needs improvement. 

3. Without referencing any other coaches at Melbourne other than Simon Goodwin, it would appear Alan Richardson is either shifting roles/moving on. This has been hinted at but this article would be the closest we have had in terms of confirming this. Hard to think he would not reference a notable name as Richardson if this wasn't the case. "I'm really excited to be back at the club, but more importantly, I'm excited to be working alongside 'Goody' (Simon Goodwin) and the coaching staff," Yze said.

Interesting times ahead. 

On 10/7/2020 at 9:03 PM, Beetle said:

Me either. I hear there’s a ban on metal heads.

I got one

You've got a metal head?  I would advise you to steer clear of magnet factories.

What happened to the "full review" we did half way through 2019 and when we shuffled the coaching deck chairs. Every role changed except Goodwins.

There's only so long you can blame the assistants and the strategists and the medical staff and the fitness staff before you end up back with the guy who has failed when the finals were there for our taking in 2017 and 2020 and failed in 2019 when they blamed injuries. Goodwin even came out this year and said we "overachieved in 2018"

We are the Kings of excuses. And revisionism.

It makes me sick when I look at what Brisbane have been able to do in 2 short years. And even St Kilda in 1 year.

 

8 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

It makes me sick when I look at what Brisbane have been able to do in 2 short years. And even St Kilda in 1 year.

 

What has St Kilda done in 1 year?  We started at #17 and if we won one more game we too could have been thrashed by Richmond.....

1 hour ago, sue said:

What has St Kilda done in 1 year?  We started at #17 and if we won one more game we too could have been thrashed by Richmond.....

Would not have beaten the dogs to even make it to the Tigers, and if the saints kick straight early on game could be different. 
 

And we should not have dropped to 17th, except it’s a very Melbourne thing to do. I would wager good money saints won’t drop to 17th next year.

On 10/9/2020 at 9:31 AM, old dee said:

All of that costs a lot extra, the MFC is a small club by AFL standards. We just have to accept until we are power on the field resources in all areas will be less than most clubs. Win games it fixes everything.

OD that's  not  what Perty  said in the email. We are self sufficient and don't want or need AFL help.

Yes we are not a Big Club in Victoria like We were in the 50/60's In our glory days.

BUT we have the potential at the G to have blockbusters as in 2016/17/18  more than the Roos Dogs Saints. What this complaint is really small change snd I would rather the Club concentrate on the Footy side to get that better and other issues like headquarters, etc.

2021 is vital in all areas but nonesofar as how many wins and Finals participation to get the Turnstiles and fans up and about.
 

 

2 hours ago, sue said:

What has St Kilda done in 1 year?  We started at #17 and if we won one more game we too could have been thrashed by Richmond.....

We started at #17....

OK then

 

On 10/8/2020 at 8:41 AM, PaulRB said:

I heard the Saint Kilda CEO talk on the radio the other day and he said that the Saints were acknowledging and rewarding the support of their 2020 members by offering to upgrade (for no additional cost) to the next level of membership all members that renew their membership for 2021...

I read Pert's email hoping for something similar, and was disappointed.

smart marketing as well as rewarding loyalty.

Many may like the upgrade and decide to pay the extra in 2022

58 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

smart marketing as well as rewarding loyalty.

Many may like the upgrade and decide to pay the extra in 2022

Yep. I’m very disappointed we haven’t been offered anything for 2021. Especially premium members who pay extra for reserved seats and GF guarantees etc. 

I think that unless we start next season off very well, our membership numbers will continue to plummet. 

13 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

...

And we should not have dropped to 17th, except it’s a very Melbourne thing to do. I would wager good money saints won’t drop to 17th next year.

And I bet you would have wagered good money at the end of 2018 that we wouldn't slip to #17 in 2019.  Even the most infected by MFCSS is not that gloomy.  Always look on the gloomy side of things - it has a catchy tune.

3 hours ago, sue said:

And I bet you would have wagered good money at the end of 2018 that we wouldn't slip to #17 in 2019.  Even the most infected by MFCSS is not that gloomy.  Always look on the gloomy side of things - it has a catchy tune.

Actually Sue, we are one club who has done it on regular occasions 

13 hours ago, Jaded said:

Yep. I’m very disappointed we haven’t been offered anything for 2021. Especially premium members who pay extra for reserved seats and GF guarantees etc. 

I think that unless we start next season off very well, our membership numbers will continue to plummet. 

I am also a member of Parramatta in the NRL. Next year my membership drops by $40, and for letting them have my membership $$ this year, I get a 2021 training shirt with the names of all members who paid in full for 2020 on it. Hobart Hurricanes also gave the first 500 members form last season to renew the choice of a shirt, cap or beanie.

Seems to recall getting an e-mail from MFC earlier this year offering a lapel pin as reward for not pausing membership for 2020. Boy oh boy WOWEE!!! Seems this is pissweak compared to other clubs.

34 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Actually Sue, we are one club who has done it on regular occasions 

You probably overlook the disasters at other clubs which is a natural bias.  Show me the evidence that some other clubs have not done the same, including the Saints before I will feel too glum about this year.

I posted this on another but for those interested it is below.

Three weeks after sending a message to Mr. Bartlett I received the below reply. 
It would seem that there has been a lot of comments from members.  
 

“Thank you for your email, which has been forwarded to Glen Bartlett for you.

 

Given the amount of correspondence Glen has received, it may not be possible for him to reply personally to each and every message.

 

We thank you for your ongoing support, we truly appreciate it.“

4 hours ago, sue said:

You probably overlook the disasters at other clubs which is a natural bias.  Show me the evidence that some other clubs have not done the same, including the Saints before I will feel too glum about this year.

Other clubs do it, no doubt about it. But under Daniher we did it every second year, we are the epitome of wild swings on the ladder. Under goody we have finished near the top, near the bottom and mid twice. So it would not surprise me if we finished top four or bottom four. It’s the way we have been for ages... except when we just stay at the bottom for years on end.