1 hour ago, A F said:

Smith is coming to Melbourne, just like Brown. 

This sure is polarising given your dislike for "speculation".

 

1 hour ago, Dr evil said:

My opinion is he's having a hard time officially telling the Hawks. they know, because they aren't stupid, but actually telling a club you've been at for a long period of time, and had a lot of success with is a big deal. 

I don't think we officially confirmed Tomlinson until the start of free agency last year even though it was well known. That's the best way to do it. All these other free agents picking out clubs (some restricted) get a wave of publicity for the media but the club gets nothing.

Wait until the official start on Friday, put him in a club polo on the club website and get all the clicks for us and our sponsors.

On 10/25/2020 at 12:21 AM, JTR said:

I couldn't care less about his kicking when under pressure. Its his inexplicable shanks when no one is on him (even when he has a free) that grinds my gears.

Anyway, sorry, I've derailed this thread enough.

Back to Smith. Good kick!

Smith isnt a good kick. his right leg collapses when he kicks on the run and he kicks a kot of helicopters. he can kick it a decent distance but doesn't have much finesse. i understand why we're chasing Smith because we're slow but with Goodwin coaching we're not in the premiership window. So getting Smith is wasted, even though i dont rate him anyway. Higgins is twice the player. 

3 hours ago, chook fowler said:

i thought Smith was very ordinary when we last played the Hawks. Well past his best IMO.

He wasn't the only Hawk that day.

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

He wasn't the only Hawk that day.

And what a glorious day it was!

The way I see it is we tend to keep free agency information on the down low, instead waiting until the period has begun to simply sign the free agents over and announce that the player has joined the club. I don't remember in recent memory of any player announcing they were going to sign with us via free agency before the signing period began.

The only time where a player has announced their intention to join us beforehand has been when we've had to facilitate a trade.

This may be why nothing has been announced yet and may not be announced until Friday.

3 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Smith isnt a good kick. his right leg collapses when he kicks on the run and he kicks a kot of helicopters. he can kick it a decent distance but doesn't have much finesse. i understand why we're chasing Smith because we're slow but with Goodwin coaching we're not in the premiership window. So getting Smith is wasted, even though i dont rate him anyway. Higgins is twice the player. 

 Over 200 games, 3 flags in a golden era for the Hawks and you don’t rate him?

You may prefer Higgins but he is not twice the player. 

I can understand that Higgins has more long term value due to age and games played but is he what we need in 2021?

My main concern is that Smith is at the end of his career and is playing for his pay cheque rather than his future. He has nothing to prove and already has 3 flags under his belt. Hard to imagine him retaining the hunger to maintain form and fitness. He may play a role but will it be enough to make a significant difference? 

6 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Another lifestyle move?  Don’t these guys know that it’s only a 10 minute drive to the Collingwood children’s farm from AAMI park?

or a 5 min drive to an actually working farm at Casey Fields. 

15 minutes ago, hemingway said:

 Over 200 games, 3 flags in a golden era for the Hawks and you don’t rate him?

You may prefer Higgins but he is not twice the player. 

I can understand that Higgins has more long term value due to age and games played but is he what we need in 2021?

My main concern is that Smith is at the end of his career and is playing for his pay cheque rather than his future. He has nothing to prove and already has 3 flags under his belt. Hard to imagine him retaining the hunger to maintain form and fitness. He may play a role but will it be enough to make a significant difference? 

the only difference between smith and phillips/polec is flags, and that doesn't say anything really about the player coz realistically and i know its not completely the case but they could carry anyone to a flag during those years such was the dominance so why would we not target someone younger and hungrier than just the paycheck signing.

7 minutes ago, Turner said:

the only difference between smith and phillips/polec is flags, and that doesn't say anything really about the player coz realistically and i know its not completely the case but they could carry anyone to a flag during those years such was the dominance so why would we not target someone younger and hungrier than just the paycheck signing.

From memory, Smith performed well in their flag wins but your last comment is the issue. All things being equal, a younger player with more to prove makes more sense.. 

1 minute ago, hemingway said:

From memory, Smith performed well in their flag wins but your last comment is the issue. All things being equal, a younger player with more to prove makes more sense.. 

Then it makes less sense for Geelong, and no sense for anyone else.  Suspect we are looking for a role player to assist the team, rather than unearthing the next Dusty or Trac with this pick.  He has plenty to prove - that he is up to AFL Standard and worth more than hawks were valuing him at.

17 minutes ago, Turner said:

the only difference between smith and phillips/polec is flags, and that doesn't say anything really about the player coz realistically and i know its not completely the case but they could carry anyone to a flag during those years such was the dominance so why would we not target someone younger and hungrier than just the paycheck signing.

Polec has the most upside but he''ll cost either a decent draft pick or a lot of cash, plus he might not fit the culture. Where if Smith is the right player for us he could enhance the culture - we need to assess his leadership credentials thoroughly and not just assume it of course.

Phillips is another where draft pick and pay cheque come in to play. That might not matter if we're planning on getting 5 years out of him but I have a sneaky suspicion the AFL might've seen the best of Tom Phillips. There's also the matter of whether the Pies want to actually give him up. Phillips only has 1 more year on his expensive contract, if they push out Treloar they could look to keep him on a better deal after 2021.

There's certainly pros and cons and I can talk myself in to any of them but the most important thing is getting someone that can do the role and does what they are bought in to do. If Smith is bought in to do the job for 2 years whilst we draft or develop a long term replacement then that's job done.

4 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Smith isnt a good kick. his right leg collapses when he kicks on the run and he kicks a kot of helicopters. he can kick it a decent distance but doesn't have much finesse. i understand why we're chasing Smith because we're slow but with Goodwin coaching we're not in the premiership window. So getting Smith is wasted, even though i dont rate him anyway. Higgins is twice the player. 

Agree on Smith's kicking, but our defensive system held up for most of the year and Smith providing run to get back to support and options on the way out that should only get stronger.

It will be up to Yze to get some class around the midfield and find targets going inside 50 more often. If Smith sticks to what he's good at - running 30 and bombing it 60 - he won't have to nail too many hit up kicks.

I assume you mean Shaun Higgins? He'd be great and we should absolute be investigating him. What would it cost to get him when Geelong want him though? 

Damien Barrett now saying Cats are now right in the hunt for Smith..

 

https://media.whooshkaa.com/show/9121/episode/750078.mp3

19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Damien Barrett now saying Cats are now right in the hunt for Smith..

https://media.whooshkaa.com/show/9121/episode/750078.mp3

Good, dont want him.

 

As long as we get one winger I’ll be happy.

Smith , Polec, or Phillips.

Edited October 27, 20204 yr by DeeZee

23 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Damien Barrett now saying Cats are now right in the hunt for Smith..

https://media.whooshkaa.com/show/9121/episode/750078.mp3

Would make sense why all is quiet from Smiths end. You would think if he had made his mind up it would be announced.

Could also be that he is double checking which deal suits him better and comparing us to the cats.

1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

Would make sense why all is quiet from Smiths end. You would think if he had made his mind up it would be announced.

Could also be that he is double checking which deal suits him better and comparing us to the cats.

Yep, reckon he's bound for kardinia Park.

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Yep, reckon he's bound for kardinia Park.

Gut feel and nothing else, yes.

Issac Smith will be a demon in 2021. 

I don't know 100% what the delay is about, but the dees do tend to wait for the window to make things public. 

I suspect before Sunday Issac will be rolled out in a red and blue polo. 

Smith is getting on and we should not be a retirement fund for geriatrics. I also think he is on the way down.

There are others out there. Philips comes to mind.

Just now, Dr evil said:

Issac Smith will be a demon in 2021. 

I don't know 100% what the delay is about, but the dees do tend to wait for the window to make things public. 

I suspect before Sunday Issac will be rolled out in a red and blue polo. 

keep it coming Dr E....your keeping me sane. 

5 minutes ago, Dr evil said:

Issac Smith will be a demon in 2021. 

I don't know 100% what the delay is about, but the dees do tend to wait for the window to make things public. 

I suspect before Sunday Issac will be rolled out in a red and blue polo. 

Gee whizz Evil, not doubting you or your intel, but don't you want to perhaps cut yourself some slack in the chance that perhaps he may have changed his mind, or been swayed elsewhere? I admire and respect your willingness to stay the course, but maybe, just maybe things have changed?

Just now, the fork said:

Gee whizz Evil, not doubting you or your intel, but don't you want to perhaps cut yourself some slack in the chance that perhaps he may have changed his mind, or been swayed elsewhere? I admire and respect your willingness to stay the course, but maybe, just maybe things have changed?

Hahaha i'm confident mate, i trust my sources for the information i post on here and the only thing that has changed is the way a couple of journo's are reading the delay. it's their job to appear ahead of the news and provide content, i get it. 

I am 100% confident Issac Smith is coming to the demons and the delay in announcing has nothing to do with the cats. it's not even really a delay. but lets call it that haha. 

10 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Smith is getting on and we should not be a retirement fund for geriatrics. I also think he is on the way down.

There are others out there. Philips comes to mind.

 

Yes, I almost bumped the Tom Philips thread earlier to see if anyones heard any whispers.

Would be a great pickup, and wouldn't cost much.