We have the Premiership in the bag now.

Isaac Smith isnt even that good. his kicking is highly suspect. definitely not worth a 3 year contract. 

9 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Isaac Smith isnt even that good. his kicking is highly suspect. definitely not worth a 3 year contract. 

You think Oliver is a good kick.

That's really all that needs to be said re your opinion on kicking ability.

26 minutes ago, JTR said:

You think Oliver is a good kick.

That's really all that needs to be said re your opinion on kicking ability.

Really? Oliver isn't a bad kick. He kicks it out of packs, under pressure mlst of the time. And he does shank some he shouldn't. BUT it is very clear that he has a very good kick on him when he thinks about it, instead of blazing away.

Oliver's a good kick.

1 hour ago, A F said:

Oliver's a good kick.

Ti get to the next level he needs to kick more goals. And step up and kick some clutch ones. 

1 hour ago, A F said:

Oliver's a good kick.

He's really not. High ball drop and elaborate action. It's all a bit inside out and so he struggles to kick across his body. Doesn't back himself to hit leads. No real left foot either. He's not bad but he's miles from good.

On 10/23/2020 at 6:53 PM, Jaded said:

I think it’s plainly obvious that we won’t win a flag unless we strengthen the quality of our wings. We saw what an amazing difference Langdon made this year, but he can’t do it alone. Our wings have been a rotating retirement village for unsuitable players.

Yes it would be lovely to get another 25 year old gun wingman like Langdon, but we need to be realistic about our salary cap and the amount of players we have out of contract next year that we desperately want to keep. 
Smith might be a short gap filler but he’s proven and can’t do worse than the other options currently on our list. He will cost virtually nothing in terms of cap space and won’t compromise our draft position, so who can bloody dispute that? 

There's no way if 3 clubs were bidding for him that he's not getting a fairly solid contract in terms of dollars as well as years. He's certainly costing us something, including the possibility of a some years where he cost money and provides almost nothing due to age. 

But yeah, compare a few hundred grand of salary with a rookie, very late pick or delisted free agent who's a gamble to fill the role and the salary alone isn't a huge cost.

 

if the rating options are: excellent, very good, good, poor, then yes, oliver is a good kick.

8 minutes ago, Rocky said:

if the rating options are: excellent, very good, good, poor, then yes, oliver is a good kick.

this is true

but if the ratings were elite, very good, good, average, below average, and poor i think he'd be in the average band

his kicking improved the minute he started powering out of contests rather than handballing, hack-kicking

32 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

this is true

but if the ratings were elite, very good, good, average, below average, and poor i think he'd be in the average band

his kicking improved the minute he started powering out of contests rather than handballing, hack-kicking

completely agree.. as others have said, high ball drop and a bit dumpy, but it comes with where he gets the ball.. if he could take a few steps and also work on his technique, that’d be ace

I couldn't care less about his kicking when under pressure. Its his inexplicable shanks when no one is on him (even when he has a free) that grinds my gears.

Anyway, sorry, I've derailed this thread enough.

Back to Smith. Good kick!

Edited October 24, 20204 yr by JTR

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He's really not. High ball drop and elaborate action. It's all a bit inside out and so he struggles to kick across his body. Doesn't back himself to hit leads. No real left foot either. He's not bad but he's miles from good.

Disagree. His kicking at times recently has been hit and miss, but when you score full marks for the kicking test at the draft combine you're a good kick. Not many players achieve that.

14 hours ago, binman said:

Ti get to the next level he needs to kick more goals. And step up and kick some clutch ones. 

His first challenge is to continue to get better with when he kicks and when he handballs. He struggles to punish the opposition with how much first use we get in the middle. I should watch tape of his mate CP5. 
I think he can be better ‘getting’ release hands from Viney and co. and doing something with his ability to find space to deliver. He’s still 1 dimensional in close ‘if I get it I will be doing all these things, if my teammate gets it... well off to the next contest where I can get it...’

That might be unfair but that is my opinion.

3, 2 or even 1 year ago I would have jumped for joy at a 3 year contract. Now I'd be a bit skittish. I understand that we probably need to offer 3 to get the deal over the line but I fear that might be too many. Would prefer 2 with a trigger but I get that the player is just trying to milk the best deal.

On 10/23/2020 at 2:35 PM, Tarax Club said:

Warming to the debate on one of the current threads on this forum Trade & Draft in the Time of COVID re: MFC as a destination club. We think Demonland may be a destination footy blog for members of the sports medical profession as well,  with the good Doctors Evil and Gonzo immediately springing to mind. Sure there are others out there too but memory presently eludes us...

... add Dr.D and drdrake to that auspicious list.

But not Dr Stephen Dank as it seems he is now a fugitive from justice.

Back on topic; Smithy will indubitably add a suave, urbane, ever so slightly debonair edge to wing play at the 'G just add the red V and navy blue long sleeves.

On 10/24/2020 at 11:24 AM, Dr.D said:

Isaac Smith isnt even that good. his kicking is highly suspect. definitely not worth a 3 year contract. 

Quality post.

You get the gold star Dr D.

 

 

Jordan Lewis just said on SEN He had reached out to Isaac Smith to see if he wanted any counsel on the decision and he never heard back from him! lol. I would’ve thought if he was as close to selecting Dees as we’re made to believe you’d reach out to an old teammate who spent time at the club... he also said he understands that whilst the Hawthorn offer is 2 years the trigger for a 3rd is pretty easy. 

16 minutes ago, The Jackson 6 said:

Jordan Lewis just said on SEN He had reached out to Isaac Smith to see if he wanted any counsel on the decision and he never heard back from him! lol. I would’ve thought if he was as close to selecting Dees as we’re made to believe you’d reach out to an old teammate who spent time at the club... he also said he understands that whilst the Hawthorn offer is 2 years the trigger for a 3rd is pretty easy. 

hmmm that isn't a good sign is it. He might be staying. 

Out of interest, what's @Dr evil's track record like?

Or is this trolling at its finest?

One would think Jordan would have hinted at Smith coming across this morning if in fact he has made his decision as @Dr evilmade clear last week.

1 minute ago, JimmyGadson said:

One would think Jordan would have hinted at Smith coming across this morning if in fact he has made his decision as @Dr evilmade clear last week.

Or potentially Jordan out of respect for his mate, thought it was his decision to announce.. 

7 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Out of interest, what's @Dr evil's track record like?

Or is this trolling at it’s finest  

Does it matter??

1 minute ago, JimmyGadson said:

One would think Jordan would have hinted at Smith coming across this morning if in fact he has made his decision as @Dr evilmade clear last week.

Perhaps Lewis isn't in the know. He may have contact with both Melbourne and Smith but that doesn't mean they are spilling any beans or he might be keeping both their confidences. Just because he is in the media doesn't mean he will automatically betray his friends/colleagues for browny points.