I really believe he would be a very good fit in our forward line. 27 turning 28 next year, he came from the rookie draft and I would expect he would want <= what we pay TMac, Melksham and Fritsch.

The problem is that he's not filling a role that we are missing. He's a good second forward, but we already have a few of those (Weid, Jackson, Fritsch), but not a number 1 bail out option. He just doesn't have the size it the presence. That's why Collingwood keep persisting with Cox despite his issues. As Buckley said in his post-game press conference, those number 1 forwards are pretty hard to find.

3 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

The problem is that he's not filling a role that we are missing. He's a good second forward, but we already have a few of those (Weid, Jackson, Fritsch), but not a number 1 bail out option. He just doesn't have the size it the presence. That's why Collingwood keep persisting with Cox despite his issues. As Buckley said in his post-game press conference, those number 1 forwards are pretty hard to find.

Weideman is really a number 1 or nothing in my view. He needs to clunk marks and kick straight and be the main man. He doesn’t offer enough outside of his aerial ability to be a second stringer. 

Ben Brown might be a better player, but I think Mihocek would be a better fit with Weideman and Jackson. 

1 hour ago, Fat Tony said:

Weideman is really a number 1 or nothing in my view. He needs to clunk marks and kick straight and be the main man. He doesn’t offer enough outside of his aerial ability to be a second stringer. 

Ben Brown might be a better player, but I think Mihocek would be a better fit with Weideman and Jackson. 

Weideman has tricks and can win the ball if different ways, plus he actually finishes very well in general play, but he isn't physically big enough to wrestle with multiple defenders. He needs to run at the ball to mark in packs, or use his body one on one, but his lack of physical strength stops him being able to compete with multiple defenders when he can't run and jump at the ball.

Mihocek also lacks this size and, whilst he is a clever player and good one on one, he still doesn't provide us with an option for the long kick against multiple defenders.

You may have misgivings about Weideman as a player but you would be bringing in Mihocek to replace him, not complement him.

13 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Weideman has tricks and can win the ball if different ways, plus he actually finishes very well in general play, but he isn't physically big enough to wrestle with multiple defenders. He needs to run at the ball to mark in packs, or use his body one on one, but his lack of physical strength stops him being able to compete with multiple defenders when he can't run and jump at the ball.

Mihocek also lacks this size and, whilst he is a clever player and good one on one, he still doesn't provide us with an option for the long kick against multiple defenders.

You may have misgivings about Weideman as a player but you would be bringing in Mihocek to replace him, not complement him.

Weideman was 11th ranked in the AFL for marks inside 50 and 25th in the AFL for contested marks. He improved a lot in the air this year. But he still averaged less than 8 possessions a game. So I disagree that he really has very many 'tricks' other than his one wood. That's not to say he cannot be a good/great player. Tomahawk has almost been the MVP of the competition this year and Weideman plays a similar style game.

Mihocek is also a low possession player, but he is a dead eye in front of goal, with 90.53 for his career. He also tackles (2 per game), which is why I think he could be a third banana alongside Weideman and Jackson. (Gunston would be better again, but he is not out of contract and would cost a lot more/seems unattainable.)

Firmly in the belief that he's a far better fit with what we've got than Brown.

He's the Jack Darling to Weid's Josh Kennedy.

(Jackson gets to be Oscar Allen and Fritsch a poor mans Liam Ryan too. Chuck in some pressure smalls and rotate the mids and you've got a really balanced forward line.)

Weid made plenty of good key defenders look silly for a large stretch of the season when the ball was delivered quickly and to advantage and the best way to do that is to have hard working forwards who create turnovers in dangerous spots and allow for quick entries. And a reliable lead up player who can split a pack at half forward or on the wing so Weid doesn't have to do it all.

Mihocek would lead up at CHF to contest and also does a nice job leading back in with the ball as well. 

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Firmly in the belief that he's a far better fit with what we've got than Brown.

He's the Jack Darling to Weid's Josh Kennedy.

(Jackson gets to be Oscar Allen and Fritsch a poor mans Liam Ryan too. Chuck in some pressure smalls and rotate the mids and you've got a really balanced forward line.)

Weid made plenty of good key defenders look silly for a large stretch of the season when the ball was delivered quickly and to advantage and the best way to do that is to have hard working forwards who create turnovers in dangerous spots and allow for quick entries. And a reliable lead up player who can split a pack at half forward or on the wing so Weid doesn't have to do it all.

Mihocek would lead up at CHF to contest and also does a nice job leading back in with the ball as well. 

Agree like Brown but Mihocek is the medium who plays tall and still good on the ground that would be best now I tjink about it 

I also believe just now we should make a play for Shane  Edwards Who has the Outside run, footy smarts and the experience That our mids need to be as good as A group that their ability promises.

2 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Weideman is really a number 1 or nothing in my view. He needs to clunk marks and kick straight and be the main man. He doesn’t offer enough outside of his aerial ability to be a second stringer. 

Ben Brown might be a better player, but I think Mihocek would be a better fit with Weideman and Jackson. 

It is quite clear that Weid is aNo 2 taking the second defender with Brown/Mihocek as1 and Jacko as a floating forward causing confusion with the other forwards Fritta Kossie Charlie Melk Trac and if he ever gets a go firward Joel Smith.

Joel Smith is a lost cause. No idea how he got another contract.

On 9/14/2020 at 9:19 AM, Superunknown said:

Spoke to brother in law - Pies (yes, yes, I know - my darling wife and their entire family are Pies - a fact she did not disclose on our pre-relationship disclosure form) - about this. He said "you can have him. Can't take a contested mark, soft." I responded "lolz, he will fit in at Melbourne then. " (Self flagellation, it's a Melbourne thing, eh).

 

Anyway, that feedback doesn't accord with what everyone else here says.

Utter nonsense. He's tough as. I'd love him to be squeezed out and I'd have him in a second

Handy player, but not for our needs.

Darcy Moore and Daicos have both signed on. Cox also.

One of Brody or De Goey must be going.

Freo I reckon. 

10 hours ago, A F said:

Handy player, but not for our needs.

Aren't you the one who says about Ben Brown that when great players land on us we don't complain?

I'd much rather Mihocek than Brown...

On 10/11/2020 at 6:56 PM, Fat Tony said:

Weideman is really a number 1 or nothing in my view. He needs to clunk marks and kick straight and be the main man. He doesn’t offer enough outside of his aerial ability to be a second stringer. 

Ben Brown might be a better player, but I think Mihocek would be a better fit with Weideman and Jackson. 

Weid  has been on the list long enough he is either capable of No 1rank  or not. FD call I suppose

But we have been generous to him with development time and for a no 9 pick I would be expecting much more. Brown was a pick 50 something from Werribe VFL

Edited October 13, 20204 yr by Kent

23 minutes ago, Kent said:

Weid  has been on the list long enough he is either capable of No 1rank  or not. FD call I suppose

But we have been generous to him with development time and for a no 9 pick I would be expecting much more. Brown was a pick 50 something from Werribe VFL

Some draft picks take a long time, others don't. That's all in the past, the question is the future.

Ben Brown kicked 32 goals from 22 games  when he was 22, then 41 goals the next year at 23. After that he was in his prime and reeled off three 60 goal seasons.

The Weid turned 23 this season and kicked 19 goals from 13 shortened games, which works out to be 40 goals over 22 full length games. Who's to say he's not just about to enter his physical prime and start producing 50 goal seasons?

His buildup has been slow and hardly linear, but there were a lot of good signs this year that his body is nearly ready and his confidence in his marking and goal kicking has progressed. I'd rather take a chance on Weid's prime years than Brown's twilight years.

 

1 hour ago, Undeeterred said:

Aren't you the one who says about Ben Brown that when great players land on us we don't complain?

I'd much rather Mihocek than Brown...

I never said Brown was a great player, but he's a very good player at his best. And a KPF.

Mihocek is a third tall at best, but he's ultimately a mid-sized forward. We have enough of those.

 

46 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'd rather take a chance on Weid's prime years than Brown's twilight years.

 

Seriously good comment. Couldn't agree more. 

3 hours ago, Kent said:

Weid  has been on the list long enough he is either capable of No 1rank  or not. FD call I suppose

But we have been generous to him with development time and for a no 9 pick I would be expecting much more. Brown was a pick 50 something from Werribe VFL

Which team is contending with a 23yo #1 key forward?

Just now, Pollyanna said:

Which team is contending with a 23yo #1 key forward?

It's interesting @Pollyanna - I read what you said as 'no team is' therefore Weiderman won't help us 'contend'.

I still (as the eternal optimist) would rather persist with Weid, rather than Brown, so that when he is 25 and onwards, we as a club have a reign of 5 mother [censored] years at the top...alongside the refinemient of a range of game plans and players that help us get there.

#Weidainttheproblem.

On 10/11/2020 at 8:28 PM, Axis of Bob said:

Weideman has tricks and can win the ball if different ways, plus he actually finishes very well in general play, but he isn't physically big enough to wrestle with multiple defenders. He needs to run at the ball to mark in packs, or use his body one on one, but his lack of physical strength stops him being able to compete with multiple defenders when he can't run and jump at the ball.

Mihocek also lacks this size and, whilst he is a clever player and good one on one, he still doesn't provide us with an option for the long kick against multiple defenders.

You may have misgivings about Weideman as a player but you would be bringing in Mihocek to replace him, not complement him.

I agree I would not be getting Mihocek because he wouldn't solve our current problem which is no consistent #1 contested marking target.

But I don't agree that's not ultimately Weid. In this I agree with @DeeSpencer.  But the problem is at 23yo Weid's body is just not there yet.

He does need cover in the meantime, that was meant to be TMac.  In the Brown thread I've almost convinced myself it's him.

5 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

It's interesting @Pollyanna - I read what you said as 'no team is' therefore Weiderman won't help us 'contend'.

I still (as the eternal optimist) would rather persist with Weid, rather than Brown, so that when he is 25 and onwards, we as a club have a reign of 5 mother [censored] years at the top...alongside the refinemient of a range of game plans and players that help us get there.

#Weidainttheproblem.

I'm a big Weid fan but I think we need a bridge to 26-27yo #1 KPF Weid.

2 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Which team is contending with a 23yo #1 key forward?

Lions

37 minutes ago, Kent said:

Lions

McStay is the key contested marking target and Hipwood is the second target.