Shorter Qtrs & 28 Rounds in 2021?

[Sir Why You Little 34,409]

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

There won’t be a vaccine by March/April for General Use. 
Too early to make any plans

The UK have got 3,000 cases a day

They will be under Curfew next week

 

India is off the Charts

[kev martin 8,864]

 Makes the season a bit more even, though not completely, if they play 28 games.

Would like the fixture after everybody has played each other, decided on where on the ladder they sit.  Could make them into qualifying matches to the finals, with only 6 spots available and not 8. 

 The FINAL quarter should remain at 20 minutes plus time on.

Lots of things can change with such a big number of games. Therefore should be more flexibility to reorganise squads.

 

[Jjrogan 1,189]

TOTALLY AGREE.  these short quarters are bs. tiges, cats, port, meth coke, lions. No way they are the best teams. Rubbish from gil to try and make lemonade from lemons. Burn it all down. Extend the quarters and make it a 34 game season so we can finish 16-18 ffs. 

[forever demons 1,797]

We have Dan running the state and Gil running the afl we are doomed

[dl4e 5,581]

10 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The UK have got 3,000 cases a day

They will be under Curfew next week

 

India is off the Charts

Maybe the Europeans are waking up to curfews. In France and Spain they are having a second wave but are not locking down. There are high cases but the death toll is very small. Lockdowns are a waste of time.

[Sir Why You Little 34,409]

11 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Maybe the Europeans are waking up to curfews. In France and Spain they are having a second wave but are not locking down. There are high cases but the death toll is very small. Lockdowns are a waste of time.

If you worked in a Hospital I suspect you would think differently. 
A month ago we registered 750 cases in a day. Today it is 44  It needs to get down to arond 10 per day

Lockdowns are not a waste of time, i live alone, it’s not easy but many people who get Covid are not getting better  Europe are about to hit Winter  

Virus ? love the cold, especially respiratory ones

 

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

15 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i actually don't mind shortened quarters

but, really, i would also not opposed massively reduced interchange allowance and 16-6 as opposed to 18-4 line-ups

ultimately, this is wholly and solely about players not being willing to take pay cuts

Not sure about that. I suspect it's more likely to be the AFL not wanting a reduction in broadcast rights' payments. 28 games in 2021 plus 17 games in 2020 averages out at 22.5 per season. Suspiciously close to 22, and over, rather than under, to avoid any legal claim about the AFL offering less product (averaged over two years) than promised in the agreement.   

10 hours ago, kev martin said:

 Makes the season a bit more even, though not completely, if they play 28 games.

Would like the fixture after everybody has played each other, decided on where on the ladder they sit.  Could make them into qualifying matches to the finals, with only 6 spots available and not 8. 

 The FINAL quarter should remain at 20 minutes plus time on.

Lots of things can change with such a big number of games. Therefore should be more flexibility to reorganise squads.

 

The problem with one quarter being longer than the rest will be obvious on a really windy day.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If you worked in a Hospital I suspect you would think differently. 
A month ago we registered 750 cases in a day. Today it is 44  It needs to get down to arond 10 per day

Lockdowns are not a waste of time, i live alone, it’s not easy but many people who get Covid are not getting better  Europe are about to hit Winter  

Virus ? love the cold, especially respiratory ones

 

 

Chin up, SWYL. Whenever being alone gets you down, know that Demonlanders are your friends, even if we sometimes vehemently disagree with each other.

[Sir Why You Little 34,409]

3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Chin up, SWYL. Whenever being alone gets you down, know that Demonlanders are your friends, even if we sometimes vehemently disagree with each other.

Cheers ? 

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

23 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Maybe the Europeans are waking up to curfews. In France and Spain they are having a second wave but are not locking down. There are high cases but the death toll is very small. Lockdowns are a waste of time.

Not to derail the thread, but you can't really compare our lockdown with Europe because the virus was widely circulating over there beforehand and so the horse had already bolted.  Lockdown sucks, but you can't really argue that it's not doing what it was designed to do.

 

9 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

TOTALLY AGREE.  these short quarters are bs. tiges, cats, port, meth coke, lions. No way they are the best teams.

How? Tigers, Cats, West Coast and Lions literally made up 4 of the top 5 last year.

[Diamond_Jim 11,678]

Interesting to see how Cricket Oz and Channel 7 are having a real stoush:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/seven-moves-towards-terminating-450-million-cricket-australia-deal-20200911-p55unt.html#comments

[dpositive 1,547]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If you worked in a Hospital I suspect you would think differently. 
A month ago we registered 750 cases in a day. Today it is 44  It needs to get down to arond 10 per day

Lockdowns are not a waste of time, i live alone, it’s not easy but many people who get Covid are not getting better  Europe are about to hit Winter  

Virus ? love the cold, especially respiratory ones

 

 

I worked in health industry for 30 years and agree it's not easy. Not sure of case logistics as it is down to severity and location of the cases.

I am in the most vulnerable age cohort so appreciate the concerns of contact that lockdowns have represented, and await the impact of weather conditions. Europe heading to winter while we head to summer will be interesting development that may affect data .

when I was in the industry we had a seperate infectious disease site and a distributed health service which had capacity .Many regions still have capacity but the specialisation support has been reduced..

My concern is to make it through this event and witness a Demon premiership. I was too young to appreciate the halcyon years.

 

[Nelo 813]

Oh please no. With the standard of footy 28 games will be torture. 

[In Harmes Way 7,477]

Not sure how the fixturing would work

If the Grand Final remains in the last Saturday of September (25/09/2021) and games revert to weekly, with the 4 weeks of finals, 1 week off for Festival of Football and 28 home and away rounds the season kicks off on 6 February. Aren't grounds still being used for cricket then?

[DubDee 20,341]

What about..... thirds instead of quarters with... 43 rounds and the Moscow Circus performing during the bye.  maybe we could add an all American team for just one round.

one team have play longer quarters than the others but not telling which one

FMD!!!

[Diamond_Jim 11,678]

1 hour ago, In Harmes Way said:

Not sure how the fixturing would work

If the Grand Final remains in the last Saturday of September (25/09/2021) and games revert to weekly, with the 4 weeks of finals, 1 week off for Festival of Football and 28 home and away rounds the season kicks off on 6 February. Aren't grounds still being used for cricket then?

2021 could be anything given crowd restrictions.

In a normal season your points are valid save that by Feb 1 the international cricket is generally finished. State and lesser cricket would be moved.

Heat would be a real issue and you would imagine only night games until mid March.

AFL would have no problems with extending their season into the earlier parts of the Spring Carnivals with the GF being played mid October is my guess.

My biggest concern is that with a longer season it gives even greater exposure and revenues to the power clubs. As a simple example membership prices could go up by one third on the basis of more home games. With twice our membership Richmond has double the increment we receive. Same goes for reserved seat sales which fora club like Adelaide is almost the whole stadium. Simply being compensated by AFLhandouts is not enough as we will be merely entrenching ourselves as an also ran finance wise.Lots of things for Pert and the Board to work on

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

What about..... thirds instead of quarters with... 43 rounds and the Moscow Circus performing during the bye.  maybe we could add an all American team for just one round.

one team have play longer quarters than the others but not telling which one

FMD!!!

You've left off the obvious. Two games played at once. One played east-west, the other north-south. The AFL can charge twice the price to enter, too. What great value, though, given everyone is apparently so time poor. Twice as much football in the same amount of time.

[daisycutter 28,455]

14 hours ago, Skuit said:

Heaps no in my opinion. McQueen above noted how we're all un-inclined toward change and so I've reflected from as an objective stand-point as possible and have come to the conclusion of heaps no. Give me back my game. 

objectively i would roll back 90% of the rule changes/interpretations of the last 5 years (probably more years too)

all they have added is confusion, inconsistency, supporter derision, complexity, unfairness and added diddly squat to the spectacle

what a fn debacle

#givemebackmygame

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

objectively i would roll back 90% of the rule changes/interpretations of the last 5 years (probably more years too)

all they have added is confusion, inconsistency, supporter derision, complexity, unfairness and added diddly squat to the spectacle

what a fn debacle

#givemebackmygame

I think all the senior AFL coaches are on safe ground this year because of the difficulties associated with the pandemic. But I wonder whether anyone at the AFL might be on shaky ground. We know that around 20% of AFL staff have already left (or will be leaving) as part of the trim, but I wonder more specifically whether Steve Hocking's position is secure. For all we know, he may be seen as the saviour of the season. Alternatively, he might be recognised as the person who allowed the game to change so much but not for the better.   

After factoring in the shortened game time, I don't believe the low scores and poor matches has much, if anything, to do with the disrupted season and everything to do with coaches playing defensive tactics which are made worse by rule changes that have not got to the real problems.

[Skuit 9,109]

51 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

objectively i would roll back 90% of the rule changes/interpretations of the last 5 years (probably more years too)

all they have added is confusion, inconsistency, supporter derision, complexity, unfairness and added diddly squat to the spectacle

what a fn debacle

#givemebackmygame

Start with 6-6-6. What's the point? What has it achieved? Then ruck nominations can go. 

 

[daisycutter 28,455]

39 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think all the senior AFL coaches are on safe ground this year because of the difficulties associated with the pandemic. But I wonder whether anyone at the AFL might be on shaky ground. We know that around 20% of AFL staff have already left (or will be leaving) as part of the trim, but I wonder more specifically whether Steve Hocking's position is secure. For all we know, he may be seen as the saviour of the season. Alternatively, he might be recognised as the person who allowed the game to change so much but not for the better.   

After factoring in the shortened game time, I don't believe the low scores and poor matches has much, if anything, to do with the disrupted season and everything to do with coaches playing defensive tactics which are made worse by rule changes that have not got to the real problems.

it's not just a 2020 season problem. it has been going on for years.

the afl can be such a bunch of bungling amateurs sometimes

and certain self-interested coaches have a lot to answer for too

 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by daisycutter
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[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

39 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Start with 6-6-6. What's the point? What has it achieved? Then ruck nominations can go. 

 

I'd also get rid of the change that allows the kick in from a behind to take place up to 15 metres outside the goal square. I suspect the thinking was that it would get the ball out of the defensive zone. What I think has actually happened is that the ball now lands so far from the goal that it's in no man's land and is too far away to be quickly returned for another score. And still too far from the other end for a quick score, either.

As an aside, that makes inaccurate kicking a bigger penalty than ever before.

I realise that the rule didn't actually change the practice from the defender kicking the ball to himself before leaving the goal square. What I would do now is change the rule so that not only does the kick out have to be made from inside the goal square, but it must also be at least 15 metres. That would mean no kicking to one's self first. 

[monoccular 16,011]

21 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

28 still leaves room for manipulated blockbusters that will see MFC disadvantaged.

34 games or a rolling fixture

2020 was a simple 17 game fixture yet even then the AFL played with it so the power clubs got the ratings sponsors etc

Happy as long as we negotiate a level playing field. This could be our last chance.

....and don't forget some clubs travelled very little from their hubs, whilst other raced back and forth across the country and were shunted 4+ hours (2+ by road, 2 by air) rushing to get to the first bounce.

21 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

I'd have no problems with this as long as we don't get stiffed on where and how often we have to travel interstate again. Perhaps an interim move towards a 34 game home and away season where everyone plays each other twice. 

Brisbane and GC should get no home games to help even things up from this year. 

Hawthorn & North could have so many games down in Tasmania that they may as well move down there permanently. 

Northorn?  Mutlicoloured stripes - blue, white, brown, gold would just look splendid?

16 hours ago, McQueen said:

Change doesn’t suit a lot of people and I’m no exception however, at face value, much of the tweaks and turns from Gil and Hocking have done close to zero in my view to improve the spectacle. 
 

The bloke’s a full blown megalomaniac. 
 

 

So now two of them running / ruining stuff from down in Victoria?

[monoccular 16,011]

6 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'd also get rid of the change that allows the kick in from a behind to take place up to 15 metres outside the goal square. I suspect the thinking was that it would get the ball out of the defensive zone. What I think has actually happened is that the ball now lands so far from the goal that it's in no man's land and is too far away to be quickly returned for another score. And still too far from the other end for a quick score, either.

As an aside, that makes inaccurate kicking a bigger penalty than ever before.

I realise that the rule didn't actually change the practice from the defender kicking the ball to himself before leaving the goal square. What I would do now is change the rule so that not only does the kick out have to be made from inside the goal square, but it must also be at least 15 metres. That would mean no kicking to one's self first. 

I would maybe have it that there are no marks paid to the defending team until the ball clears the 50m arc (could be difficult in Launceston I guess with a gale blowing).  I would also have no marks paid for backward kicks - just encourages negativity.

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,041]

21 minutes ago, monoccular said:

....and don't forget some clubs travelled very little from their hubs, whilst other raced back and forth across the country and were shunted 4+ hours (2+ by road, 2 by air) rushing to get to the first bounce.

Northorn?  Mutlicoloured stripes - blue, white, brown, gold would just look splendid?

So now two of them running / ruining stuff from down in Victoria?

Northorn. I like it. I especially like that the president of one of those sides wants teams that can't pay their way relegated to a lower tier of the game. That same team may finish 17th and receive zero income from the Tasmanian government this year. 

Imagine it though. At the Camberwell Town Hall you'd have the sight of Don Scott tearing a velcro skid mark and wee stain from a North Melbourne guernsey.