Who should our next coach be?

[BW511 2,705]

1 hour ago, Wunders said:

Reading this article and i feel that some hard truths and not going hard enough from Greg williams would be welcome (he was let go and would be a good midfield mentor to a number of our players). As for a coach, if it's not goodwin it has to be someone hard who actually can change plans in game and may know some tactics.. (clarkson)

https://www.afl.com.au/news/497517/-you-ve-got-to-toughen-up-diesel-slams-carlton-s-former-no-3-pick

I mentioned this article in another thread. He knows how to get the inside blokes working (Jobe, Kennedy (swans), T.Mitchell)

I remember seeing something with Tom Mitchell and Diesel and their relationship was working wonders. Available to each other to discuss tactics, review or plan ahead.

There’s plenty of smart ex-footballers around that could be used independently by our guys, I wonder if they get the freedom to do that?

It’s embarrassing having one of the best rucks in the game and making him the oppositions best weapon each week. 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

52 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

If he becomes available, Melbourne needs to have the finger on the trigger to get him. I don't think it's happening until 2021 or 2022 though. 

But hawks have only won 5 games. Clearly he should get fired 

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,551]

6 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Jeez I hope I haven't inadvertently started the most epic fake news story ever, the kind that marketing students at uni study as a text book case of gaslighting everyone. Starts with a blog post, then gets picked up by MSM and off it goes.

Meanwhile 8 weeks later, Goodwin is sacked. Bartlett turns to Pert and says "now, about that back of couch money we found. Can we cut the cheque?" Pert: "Wait what? I thought you found it."

 

j/k

I'm fairly certain someone put it in the eponymous "Is Goodwin The Chosen One" thread. I think the Deebrief mentioned it too. Blame them, blame them!

Hahaha that'd be gold. If this scene happened, I'd actually feel like I got value from my membership. It's interesting though, we'll find out very soon whether any money was behind the couch!

[The Chazz 4,077]

2 hours ago, SFebes said:

I mentioned him in my last post, not a fan, ask Bombers supporters too. Could play for sure but similar issues to what we are having.

I couldn't GAF what Bombers fans think.  That said, I have no interest in getting Brad Scott, and that's based on what North fans think!

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

The bloke is past it.  You are spot on about his time with West Coast, but that's an eternity ago.  He's done okay at the Bombers prior to this year, but he would feel like stepping sideways than stepping up if we appointed him.  

I know we can do better.

We can do better?  Really?  We want an experienced coach, and ideally one that understands what success is.  Who is on this list that meets these requirements?

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Worsfold? The same bloke who is coaching Essendon? Ummm no!

Rutten is coaching Essendon, Worsfold's just the spokesman.

1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

he's not coaching essendon; he's just having a superannuation year

reckon the pharmacist will be at freo as a senior assistant or what have you next year

Exactly, he's not coaching them (as per my point directly above this one).

1 hour ago, Die Hard Demon said:

I'm going to assume you are taking the [censored]!!!!! The bloke is so far past it.. we might as well get Mick Malthouse if you think John Worsfold has it in him. 

Geez, that's a bit harsh.  There's numerous posters in here saying they want Yze, surely they are all taking the [censored] too?

[Adam The God 30,541]

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Beveridge is the most overrated coach ever.  Granted he got them a flag because things fell in place for 6 weeks but has made the finals once since and got pumped. 
 

Disagree, but I am biased as I say.

[The Chazz 4,077]

15 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

(Reasonably realistic) wish list...

Head Coach (3-4 years) - Ross Lyon
Forward Coach/Successor - Adem Yze
Midfield Coach - Dean Solomon
Backline Coach - Luke Hodge
Ruck/Stoppages - Ben Mathews
Part Time Goal Kicking Coach - Brad Green
Head Of Development - Mark Williams
Development Coach - Jordan Lewis
Director Of Football - Alan Richardson
 

"Reasonably realistic wish list"?  Is that different to an unrealistic wish list?  All due respect, what you have listed above looks quite like the latter.  But, perhaps your "sources" have told you something?

That reminds me, I haven't checked my Facebook feed for a while, best get on to that.

All seriousness though, it will be interesting to see what the changes to the soft cap will be, and how clubs structure their FDs moving forward.  Chances are a model like the above will be about double what we will be allowed to pay, so it'll mean people will be taking a reasonable pay cut, or clubs will have less staff.

One thing for me is that I'm really questioning Ben Mathews' ability.  We have some gun midfielders, a gun ruckman, yet we can dominate the clearances.

[P-man 13,366]

2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

His pre game dackings really get the boys up n about.

Ex Richmond. That’s how they roll at Punt Rd.

[Adam The God 30,541]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That is embarrassing and  awful.  It is up there with the Richmond players touching Chol during their song.  Butler did the same at the Saints.  Must be the Richmond culture.  Never liked Chaplin, a Mahoney mate from Port days.

He was an average player who has added nothing to our club as fwd or a defence coach.

Time to go.

That's pathetic. Chaplin, [censored] right off. 

[hemingway 7,633]

5 hours ago, old dee said:

The other problem af is people are over estimating the quality of the list. It is a mid level team if things go our way. We have a large number of average players. 

Agreed. 

Overall our list is ordinary. Certainly not a list that will bring sustained success. Far too many players who don’t get enough of the pill and whose skills are poor. 

 

[Docs Demons 1,792]

I'd go Hodge. Tough and will not take any crap. Untried I know but has all the attributes to succeed.

[Adam The God 30,541]

3 hours ago, DeePressed said:

Who i'd like but aint going to happen

1. Longmire

2. Beverage

3. Hardwick

4. Dew

5. Longmuir

Given you've got Longmuir in here, Yze should be in calculation.

My understanding is that Freo wanted Yze, but he didn't want to move his family.

[Little Richard 6,265]

12 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

I'd go Hodge. Tough and will not take any crap. Untried I know but has all the attributes to succeed.

We cannot afford to go with yet another untried coach.

[Want a Flag 46]

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

"Reasonably realistic wish list"?  Is that different to an unrealistic wish list?  All due respect, what you have listed above looks quite like the latter.  But, perhaps your "sources" have told you something?

That reminds me, I haven't checked my Facebook feed for a while, best get on to that.

All seriousness though, it will be interesting to see what the changes to the soft cap will be, and how clubs structure their FDs moving forward.  Chances are a model like the above will be about double what we will be allowed to pay, so it'll mean people will be taking a reasonable pay cut, or clubs will have less staff.

One thing for me is that I'm really questioning Ben Mathews' ability.  We have some gun midfielders, a gun ruckman, yet we can dominate the clearances.

I agree about Matthews totally. The first change I wanted at the end of last season was a change in stoppage coach.

Considering Max in the ruck and the ability of our midfield we get nothing like the advantage we should. Statistically we do OK but the quality of "take away" from stoppages is way less than the opposition. Opposition sides only need to win 40% of the stoppages against us and they will be in front due to the way they release and open up from stoppages compared to us.

We specialise in the hack quick kick forward. We suffered right through 2019 with everybody in at the contest while the opposition had guys on the outside. We couldn't re-program our guys without changing the coaching set up first. It may be marginally better this season but I only grant marginal.

Please replace the stoppage coach as an absolute priority to try to take advantage of what should be a strength. Maybe then that will feed into better connection with the forward line etc

 

[daisycutter 29,799]

maybe it's time to do something radical......

 

 

.........like merge with hawthorn

[leave it to deever 17,556]

Not Luke Darcy. Blokes a goose.

[old dee 23,922]

12 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

maybe it's time to do something radical......

 

 

.........like merge with hawthorn

Great idea dc, let’s just check with don Scott first.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

18 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

maybe it's time to do something radical......

 

 

.........like merge with hawthorn

It would do wonders for the banking industry in Tasmania dc.

[Sydee 4,563]

22 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

maybe it's time to do something radical......

 

 

.........like merge with hawthorn

makes sense to merge with the poos and wees as our season is once again being flushed down the shi#er

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

4 hours ago, The Chazz said:

Amazing to think we are 5 pages in, and this post will be the first time his name is mentioned.  There's a bloke that's absolutely gettable, has been a premiership coach and won two as a player, was a ruthless competitor on field, isn't afraid to give a spray where needed.

John Worsfold.

He rebuilt West Coast's list over 3 years (2008-2010), then saw them win 18 games in 2011 and 16 in 2012.  West Coast were generally a bloody hard team to beat when he was in charge (yes, I appreciate the home ground advantage argument) other that those 3 years mentioned above.  Then in his last 3 years at Essendon, they too have generally been around the mark.

He knows what it takes.

West Coast are a well-run operation.

Throw almost any league coach into that situation and they'd likely thrive.

We give way too much credit (and criticism) to head coaches. For the most part, they're all preaching pretty similar philosophies. Yes, they play a leadership role but so do many others.

These are large organisations with differing resources at their disposal.

Generally, over time, these differences are reflected in the success that a football club has.

We can keep shuffling coaches until the cows come home, but the club as a whole needs to find a way to get out of survival mode - where we put economic decisions ahead of football decisions - and move toward a model that puts winning at the forefront of any club decisions.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

One out of left field and i don't think he'd cost a packet.  Might allow us to afford the payout and move on in the short term.  Premiership coach.  Seems to be a decent man manager at least.

Probably better as an assistant only but would be a substantial improvement on the present and should be able to get the best out of this group.  Possibly a bit of a modern day Northey type?

Loves his footy, loves anyone involved in the game and presently coaching Werribee.  Also running a kicking skills program on the side.  That on it's own is a necessity for our lot!  Maybe even a mentor / game day mind set / skills coach for the boys...

 

Edited September 8, 2020 by Rusty Nails

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

Just now, Rusty Nails said:

One out of left field and i don't think he'd cost a packet.  Might allow us to afford the payout and move on in the short term.  Premiership coach.  Seems to be a decent man manager at least.

Probably better as an assistant only but would be a substantial improvement on the present and should be able to get the best out of this group.  Possibly a bit of a modern day Northey type?

Loves his footy, loves anyone involved in the game and presently coaching Werribee.  Also running a kicking skills program on the side.  That on it's own is a necessity for our lot!  Maybe even a mentor / game day mind set / skills coach for the boys...

 

Someone said in another thread he wanted to come to us last season in some capacity but we weren't interested.    Mentioned by Choco himself on radio.

[Diamond_Jim 12,643]

Hawthorn are probably looking to move on from Clarkson but are naturally concerned by his payout.
There's a deal to be done here if we play our cards right.

Mind you MFC are not known for their negotiating ability

[deespicable me 1,498]

Get back Roos.

 He owes us, is a clever man (had an exit strategy) was great with the media at protecting the team and individuals from being torched and if he had of stayed rather than passing on to Goody would have us in a better place than we are now.

He also likes Melbourne and genuinely would like to see us win that elusive premiership. Given the list is in better shape than when he took over last time he might get excited by the idea.

And he owes us.

If he wants a succession plan get Hodge.

[daisycutter 29,799]

seems to me our problems are much more than just a coach or coaches

what worries me is we could replace the coach, much of the fd, mahoney, pert most of the board......

......and then we would be further in debt.....

.....and getting a new home (which we desperately need) then gets put back another decade.

and no-one wants to come to come to a club that has no proper home

so, given all our problems, now might be a good bargaining time to get afl/gov support  for a new home and not blow a lot of money into the breeze with a massive expensive reorganisation as we've done so poorly many times over

just thinking

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

31 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Someone said in another thread he wanted to come to us last season in some capacity but we weren't interested.    Mentioned by Choco himself on radio.

By the time we get around to considering it a possibility Choco will probably be retired...

Edited September 8, 2020 by Rusty Nails