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After our great 2021 season I rewatched every game.

The kick to the forward pocket was a big element in 2021.

It disappeared in the finals and the winning margins exploded even allowing for some inaccurate kicking in the first two finals.

Perhaps we became too predictable in 2022

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12 hours ago, Winners at last said:

I have a cunning plan*

Kick the ball to the wing. Winger to hold the ball for an eternity, then kick to forward (left) pocket where everyone is congregated, ignoring any leads from teammates elsewhere.

 

*Well, Baldrick should take some of the credit.

Isnt that plan A??

 

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I posted this on the thread for Lachie Hunter but @dworship suggested I repost it here.  Agree with @Fat Tony that ideally the wingers would play on the wing that suits their preferred kicking foot.

6 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

Question for those that understand the role/s of modern wingers and terminology such as fat side wing / defensive wing etc.

My understanding was that:

1. We took the ball from defence (eg a kick in) on the defensive side (Brayshaw / Jordon side).  We were setup so that we may not move the ball quickly but it would be harder for teams to win the ball and generate repeat attacks (as predictable as it became).

2. Langdon always played on the far side wing due to his elite endurance.  This allowed for additional midfield rotations but meant that we didn't take into account the preferred kicking foot of him or the other winger/s.

If Hunter is in the team and able to perform close to his ability / potential, does that mean it won't be so clear cut in terms of the attacking side?  Will neither of them be a defensive winger?  Will Langdon still always be on the far side wing?

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I have noticed that, in his time at the doggies, Hunter played predominantly on the left side of the ground so that he would be able to run freely along the boundary side and use the natural curvature of his left foot kick to deliver to a dangerous spot in the forward line. In other words, he did not have to turn into the corridor and encounter heavier traffic where he might not have been as effective.

On the other hand, Ed has dominated equally while playing both sides of the ground. It will be an interesting to see what the CD tactical plan delivers, especially as Jordan, Gus and Tomlinson offer other options on the wings.

Whichever way is chosen, we should be blessed with the best options for an attacking wing setup of any team.

 

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Normally wingers that stay on a fixed wing get to spend two quarters close to the interchange bench. But due to Langdon's elite fitness he would always be furthest from the bench. That meant he got to play two quarters on the side that allowed him to kick more naturally into the corridor (when we were kicking to the left of screen) and he seemed to hit more targets and make better decisions.

I noticed when we were kicking to the right of screen, when Ed couldn't cut in to use his right foot more expansively, he would use either a banana/check-side, or a dinky chip with the outside of his foot. I haven't gone back and studied the tapes, but anecdotally it seems like he was caught holding the ball or turned it over more frequently when we kicked to the right. 

Anyway, I remember an article or video that mentioned Langdon would get to play on the right side now, as Hunter as great endurance too and given he is a left footer there wouldn't be an issue for him being on the far side when we kick to the right of screen. 

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18 hours ago, Stu said:

Normally wingers that stay on a fixed wing get to spend two quarters close to the interchange bench. But due to Langdon's elite fitness he would always be furthest from the bench. That meant he got to play two quarters on the side that allowed him to kick more naturally into the corridor (when we were kicking to the left of screen) and he seemed to hit more targets and make better decisions.

I noticed when we were kicking to the right of screen, when Ed couldn't cut in to use his right foot more expansively, he would use either a banana/check-side, or a dinky chip with the outside of his foot. I haven't gone back and studied the tapes, but anecdotally it seems like he was caught holding the ball or turned it over more frequently when we kicked to the right. 

Anyway, I remember an article or video that mentioned Langdon would get to play on the right side now, as Hunter as great endurance too and given he is a left footer there wouldn't be an issue for him being on the far side when we kick to the right of screen. 

Is AFL finally moving towards the round ball football approach where a player is recruited as left or right side specific! Example being at Celtic  where Postecoglou recruited a right back specialist from Canada - Johnstone to replace Juranovic who they sold!

 

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We all know why we failed in the forward line last year but I'm interested in knowing what we might do to stop the kamikaze run on sides like Collingwood who seemed to take our defence apart even after we had the jinxed lead of around 26 points.

Is the answer simply fix the forward line and kick more goals?

I hope they have the analysis team working hard on what type of players and plays were used to cut our defence open. I have some gut feelings as to how it was done (attacking from our defensive pocket forward entries) but I'd love to see some serious analysis.

And .. please... let's thrash the Pies this year.

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13 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

We all know why we failed in the forward line last year but I'm interested in knowing what we might do to stop the kamikaze run on sides like Collingwood who seemed to take our defence apart even after we had the jinxed lead of around 26 points.

 

Simple. 

Get fitter. 

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1 hour ago, D4Life said:

Is AFL finally moving towards the round ball football approach where a player is recruited as left or right side specific! Example being at Celtic  where Postecoglou recruited a right back specialist from Canada - Johnstone to replace Juranovic who they sold!

 

I imagine for a lot of teams that use their wingers as just another body around every contest, it doesn't matter what foot any given winger kicks with. But because Goodwin wants our wingers to keep their width, it becomes more important. 

With soccer, the importance of aligning player positions with their strong side gets more important the higher the quality of the league the team plays in. A right footed left back can compensate with other strengths in a weaker comp but is likely to be targeted and found out at a higher level. Sometimes teams will compensate by having their left back attack more and provide wide overlapping run for a right-footed left winger. This will give the winger room to cut in on his right side and generate attacks more centrally. 

You can see this in our games last year. When we kicked to the right of screen and where Ed had the overlap run from other midfielders or half-backs, he was able to feed off a handball and get it back in space giving him the time to open up his body and hit a forward target in a central position. 

When fatigue struck later in the year and the overlap run dried up in the second half, Ed would often try to circle back as opponents would corral him against the boundary. When that happened, we were susceptible to a quick counterattack if players weren't presenting as an outlet for him. In those scenarios but kicking to the left, he would be able to at least use a long kick into F50 to relieve pressure. 

Getting to your point, I don't think the talent pool is deep enough to allow teams to pick side-specific players to fill specialty roles - as great as that would be. If Hunter wasn't available and we had our choice out of an elite right footed winger or an average left footed one, I'm sure the FD would have gone with the better player.

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22 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

We all know why we failed in the forward line last year but I'm interested in knowing what we might do to stop the kamikaze run on sides like Collingwood who seemed to take our defence apart even after we had the jinxed lead of around 26 points.

Is the answer simply fix the forward line and kick more goals?

I hope they have the analysis team working hard on what type of players and plays were used to cut our defence open. I have some gut feelings as to how it was done (attacking from our defensive pocket forward entries) but I'd love to see some serious analysis.

And .. please... let's thrash the Pies this year.

I really hope we beat the Pies this year - I'm very much sick of losing to them!

Watch the first half against them in the Round 21 game - that's how you beat them. The challenge is to keep that up for four quarters. If we can go back to the sort of forward pressure we saw in 2021, combined with our solid defensive structure, that's the game plan that will beat the kamikaze style.

Pressure on the ball carrier forces them to release the ball quickly, allowing our defenders to intercept. By us sitting off teams more in 2022, it allowed them to hit those short kicks that short circuits our defensive structure behind the ball. 

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13 minutes ago, binman said:

Simple. 

Get fitter. 

If only.. both Colingwood and Adelaide beat us with quick ball movement in 2021 and it simply got worse in 2022 as more teams adopted that tactic against us last year.

It is increasingly the new game style for many teams (see Hawthorn) so we need to work it out

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