12 minutes ago, binman said:

Depends on how you define ability.

I define is as talent

Injury and condition impacts on your capacity to optimize your ability.

Take Tiger Woods.  Arguably the greatest  golfer ever. Certainly close tot he most talented golfer ever.

Went fourteen years without a major in large part because of a chronic back injury. Didn't play competitive golf or more than 3 years. He didn't lose his talent in that time, thought of course he is closing in on 45 so getting older and won the masters. 

At his age Tmac should be at the peak of his career as a power forward. It has is very unlikely he has lost his ability. Confidence yes, injury can do that (just look a Lever coming back after his knee injury), but talent and ability no. 

He is clearly hampered by injury, chronic or otherwise.

I should be amazed, but am not, that so few seem to be acknowledging this seemingly evident fact (on here and worse football commentators and so called analysts who express confusion as to what has happened to him).

So why would the coach  play him. He is either injured and not ready to play or he is not injured and ready to play

I do not understand why it is so complicated

What-ever his present condition he is curently  adding zero to the team 

So over to to the medical people, they can either get him right and fit for purpose or thy cannot. In which case drop him from the list

 

1 hour ago, binman said:

His ability is not the problem.

His problem is obviously related to his physical condition 

Spot on binman there is something physically wrong, who knows if it is fixable or not. He is talented we have all seen that, you don’t lose your talent unless something physical or mental is stopping you from using it to is max. 

8 minutes ago, Kent said:

So why would the coach  play him. He is either injured and not ready to play or he is not injured and ready to play

I do not understand why it is so complicated

What-ever his present condition he is curently  adding zero to the team 

So over to to the medical people, they can either get him right and fit for purpose or thy cannot. In which case drop him from the list

 

Because there is no one else to help the Weid in the forward line. 

Just now, old dee said:

Because there is no one else to help the Weid in the forward line. 

If that is the case then the coaching development staff should be ashamed

Play brown that is why we got him on board 

What's the use of playing a chronically injured player where is the sense is that

3 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

Mitch Cleary on the AFL site suggesting Tom should look elsewhere next year. Mentioned Essendon and Collingwood as possible homes. Based this on the presumption that we do not want him as we picked Preuss against Freo. Says he still has something to offer, cited the fact he kicked 4 goals in a semi final in 2018. Clearly has not done his research or seen Tom play this or last year.

So there you go, maybe some good will come out of this year after all!

 

4 minutes ago, Kent said:

So why would the coach  play him. He is either injured and not ready to play or he is not injured and ready to play

I do not understand why it is so complicated

What-ever his present condition he is currently  adding zero to the team 

So over to to the medical people, they can either get him right and fit for purpose or thy cannot. In which case drop him from the list

 

Its complicated if it is chronic injury. 

Using the Tiger Woods analogy, he played for more than decade with a chronic back injury. And for much of that time was still a pretty competitive golfer. Eventually he had to stop completely to get it right.

Perhaps they are playing him, thinking that even with the injury he can contribute, which to be fair he has tried to do.

VDB said in his interview on the Demonland Podcast as result of his foot injury, that he took two years to rehab and get back from, that he does not training between games. Perhaps Tmac is much the same. Without VFL games perhaps there is no real way to build his mobility. 

Tmac has post season surgery after the 2018 season, coming up to 2 years ago. And as far as i know, none since and no other on field injury. Which to me suggests something chronic.

Personally i reckon Goody made a mistake with where they played Tmac. When in, they should play him, not Weed out of the square. Keep him deep as possible and get him to take all inside 50 throw ins.

Sure players would still run off him but his lack of mobility and agility would not nearly be as exposed if he was playing deep as it is up at CHF . And playing deep, as true fill forward his extra weight is helpful in terms of one on one contests and it would forces opposition coaches to sacrifice a big defender to man him, whereas with Weed, well they can put a weed on him  

On 8/25/2020 at 5:05 PM, Elegt said:

Not sure why Joel smith hasn't been tried in the fwd line. He is rubbish in the backline but looked great in last year's pre season in the fwd line. One of the bizarre goodwin decisions

I disagree (some matches) that Smith '...is rubbish in the backline...' in consideration of some other backmen we have tried this year. He does muck a few attempts with the ball down there but generally, gets to the ball and does one or two 1%'s if not. I'd rate him a 'serviceable' on occasion, but 'played out of position'. He has only just started having a run with the team this season - so I'd really like to see him down near goals for considerable parts of whatever games he acquires in the near future.

Has to come in this week.

Is 10 times the player that Preuss and Smith are who have no business being in the side.

T Mac's form has been down this year, but should come in for the last fortnight to try and build some confidence into next year.

Plus, he's a professional goal kicker. We have bugger all of that ilk.

6 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Has to come in this week.

Is 10 times the player that Preuss and Smith are who have no business being in the side.

T Mac's form has been down this year, but should come in for the last fortnight to try and build some confidence into next year.

Plus, he's a professional goal kicker. We have bugger all of that ilk.

hmmm not so sure about that

28 minutes ago, Kent said:

If that is the case then the coaching development staff should be ashamed

Play brown that is why we got him on board 

What's the use of playing a chronically injured player where is the sense is that

And why play Smith who is a reasonable forward in the backline all year when he is clearly not a back man.

1 hour ago, 58er said:

So R Jay you don't think Pickett has a future?

Really we are damned if we do or even if we don't sometimes 

That is a great show of faith in an 18/19 yo and will reaffirm confidence in him.

Yes he has faults but look at the 2018 Riding star at the Pies he has had a rough nearly 2 years since.

We are too easily impatient With  youth!!!

Ummm...I'm not sure where you come to this conclusion.

Of course he does.

Tommy Mac is cooked

Shame

He was the fittest guy playing the game at one stage - now, he can hardly lift his legs

And Brown? Omg, spare me, please

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

And why play Smith who is a reasonable forward in the backline all year when he is clearly not a back man.

He did well on Papley, od

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

He did well on Papley, od

One swallow does   not make It summer Mr. Shadow. 

All the blokes mentioned above, along with their abilities, are playing according to game plans and instructions.......

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

One swallow does   not make It summer Mr. Shadow. 

Very deep, od

Who might be interested? Collingwood? 

Edited September 10, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

38 minutes ago, binman said:

Its complicated if it is chronic injury. 

Using the Tiger Woods analogy, he played for more than decade with a chronic back injury. And for much of that time was still a pretty competitive golfer. Eventually he had to stop completely to get it right.

Perhaps they are playing him, thinking that even with the injury he can contribute, which to be fair he has tried to do.

VDB said in his interview on the Demonland Podcast as result of his foot injury, that he took two years to rehab and get back from, that he does not training between games. Perhaps Tmac is much the same. Without VFL games perhaps there is no real way to build his mobility. 

Tmac has post season surgery after the 2018 season, coming up to 2 years ago. And as far as i know, none since and no other on field injury. Which to me suggests something chronic.

Personally i reckon Goody made a mistake with where they played Tmac. When in, they should play him, not Weed out of the square. Keep him deep as possible and get him to take all inside 50 throw ins.

Sure players would still run off him but his lack of mobility and agility would not nearly be as exposed if he was playing deep as it is up at CHF . And playing deep, as true fill forward his extra weight is helpful in terms of one on one contests and it would forces opposition coaches to sacrifice a big defender to man him, whereas with Weed, well they can put a weed on him  

Or double team him.

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Who might be interested? Collingwood? 

No they only give us players with problems not the other round ET.

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Short memory !!

Think of Tommy's  2018 season no lack of pace opened up on the wing on occasions.

Burgess needs to have a look and see why he can do I feel unless his body is totally wrecked.

You don't think they already know whats going on in the most forensic detail?

7 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Very deep, od

Feeling that way today jr. it’s something that happens to me every year in September when another season has amount to nil with the MFC. First anger then Deep introspection. Followed by there is always next year! However I am seriously running out of next years. 

Play him at Full back and May at Full forward .

We will be more of a threat as a side, and desperate times call for desperate measures 

List management nightmare. Guy on decent coin with multiple years left that can't get a game. Will have to pay some of his salary to move him on you would think. 

Edited September 10, 20204 yr by Pulp Fritschon

29 minutes ago, old dee said:

Feeling that way today jr. it’s something that happens to me every year in September when another season has amount to nil with the MFC. First anger then Deep introspection. Followed by there is always next year! However I am seriously running out of next years. 

R U OK?

He's only 27, turning 28 soon. Not sure whats going on with his body/mind but there should be a few more years in him yet. There should be expectation next year for him to return to the hard running forward that helps in the ruck.

However come the pointy end of his career I kind of expect him to be traded for cheap as a key position player, most likely a club needing a full back like what Collingwood did with Dunn.