I'm just impressed the guy played for 3 quarters with a fractured face. 

5 hours ago, Stevienic23 said:

Having read this thread and various other threads re VandenBerg over the years I think I have the un-popular opinion of that I don't think he's that good. I understand there needs to be some forgiveness given he's lack of continuity in his football, but he just can't kick. 

I think he can be the beneficiary of shortened quarters where he can be used as an impact player - but he needs to be more than a bloke that can just tackle. He has no problem finding the ball:

vs Geelong – 1 kick, 6 handballs, 3 tackles 62% game time –71% efficiency

vs Richmond – 14 touches, 3 tackles, 70% game time –85% efficiency

vs Gold Coast – 11 touches, 3 tackles, 47% game time –72% efficiency

vs Hawthorn – 13 touches, 4 tackles, 81% game time – 53% disposal efficiency

If he polishes up his kicking - especially at goal, he could be a lot more damaging playing that half-forward pushing deeper role. Bizarrely, I can acknowledge that we are a better side with him in - so maybe I'm just Covid rambling 

It’s not just that he tackles though, it’s that his tackles prize the ball loose so much more than other players (as distinct from a tackle that causes a ball-up). I can’t name another player in our side I could say that about. The next best flankers such as ANB certainly can’t say that, and aren’t going to be so much better with the ball to justify the loss of that attribute.

AVB is an average footballer, but when he tackles, he tackles hard. They stick

I think his opponents would be hurting for a while. 
If we progress to the pointy end of the Season, he could be a very useful member, without getting a kick....

Edited July 24, 20205 yr by Sir Why You Little

Also can we all just get the [censored] over 2018? 

Sorry, but how many times do I have to hear it? 

Yes it was a good run, but we got absolutely embarrassed in Perth (given we ended up losing to the WCE who won the flag) but can we all stop reverting back to it? 

Everyone needs to wrap up their romanticism with it  

Everyone keeps comparing his 2018 to now. Who cares? 

Traccs 2018 to now is also totally different. 

With AVB he hasn't changed and the game is only getting quicker. I see him going through to the end of the year and then I think he will get overtaken by a younger, quicker player who can do more. His continual injuries (even if this injury is only a few weeks) is also a bit of a worry. 

I think he's a limited player and can't seem him in our future 
 

18 hours ago, deanox said:

Is Goody happy that you've told everyone he is unhappy? Or should that have been kept quiet as well?

Oh very droll, thought you could understand his attitude to extraneous noise

Just pointing it out, you have the option not to read

13 minutes ago, MF-C said:

Also can we all just get the [censored] over 2018? 

Sorry, but how many times do I have to hear it? 

Yes it was a good run, but we got absolutely embarrassed in Perth (given we ended up losing to the WCE who won the flag) but can we all stop reverting back to it? 

Everyone needs to wrap up their romanticism with it  

Everyone keeps comparing his 2018 to now. Who cares? 

Traccs 2018 to now is also totally different. 

With AVB he hasn't changed and the game is only getting quicker. I see him going through to the end of the year and then I think he will get overtaken by a younger, quicker player who can do more. His continual injuries (even if this injury is only a few weeks) is also a bit of a worry. 

I think he's a limited player and can't seem him in our future 
 

damn....damn.....you just reminded me of 2018 after i'd banished it from my memory.....damn

Is it too late to post a rumour about Nathan Jones replacing VDB in this week's 22?

Remember a couple of years ago when we made a Prelim? Those were the days. What year was that again? 

Edited July 24, 20205 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

Remember a couple of years ago when we made a Prelim? Those were the days. 

Now that I'm over the fixture 'fixes' rant, I reckon we can get there again this year. 

How is that for reverse MFCSS...

39 minutes ago, MF-C said:

Also can we all just get the [censored] over 2018? 

Sorry, but how many times do I have to hear it? 

Yes it was a good run, but we got absolutely embarrassed in Perth (given we ended up losing to the WCE who won the flag) but can we all stop reverting back to it? 

Everyone needs to wrap up their romanticism with it  

Everyone keeps comparing his 2018 to now. Who cares? 

Traccs 2018 to now is also totally different. 

With AVB he hasn't changed and the game is only getting quicker. I see him going through to the end of the year and then I think he will get overtaken by a younger, quicker player who can do more. His continual injuries (even if this injury is only a few weeks) is also a bit of a worry. 

I think he's a limited player and can't seem him in our future 
 

Why?

It's a recent season where the majority of our current list played good football for long periods. Just because we lost the prelim doesn't mean there's nothing from 2018 that is of relevance or that can be used for comparison or reflection.

8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Now that I'm over the fixture 'fixes' rant, I reckon we can get there again this year. 

How is that for reverse MFCSS...

Beat Brisbane and we’ll make the Grand Final*.  #Youhearditherefirst.

1 hour ago, deanox said:

How dare you actually talk about football in this thread. 

Haha yeh I wish I had some inside mail from the club to join in on this 'my mail vs your mail' w*nkfest. I knew I was opening myself up but just an opinion I've had for a little while which I felt like airing. 

I suppose part of my opinion is formed upon the fact that he's in his 6th year on our list and we've shown a lot of faith on very little exposed form. Dan Menzel had more exposed form and you could see why Geelong (at the time) kept him around.

I've acknowledged that his physicality means we're a better side for him in it - but I think he really needs to tidy up his disposal by foot so we can play him in a position that's really going to make us a better side.  

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Oh very droll, thought you could understand his attitude to extraneous noise

Just pointing it out, you have the option not to read

Just a little joke Saty

26 minutes ago, Stevienic23 said:

Haha yeh I wish I had some inside mail from the club to join in on this 'my mail vs your mail' w*nkfest. I knew I was opening myself up but just an opinion I've had for a little while which I felt like airing. 

I suppose part of my opinion is formed upon the fact that he's in his 6th year on our list and we've shown a lot of faith on very little exposed form. Dan Menzel had more exposed form and you could see why Geelong (at the time) kept him around.

I've acknowledged that his physicality means we're a better side for him in it - but I think he really needs to tidy up his disposal by foot so we can play him in a position that's really going to make us a better side.  

I think Vanders is an enigma. In some ways similar to Viney in that his most valuable contribution is intangible and not quantifiable.

Toughness, leadership (by physical example), persistent effort, aggression, perceived pressure. Heart and soul? These things matter to the way that everyone else around them plays. 

Few players have these qualities in abundance. And I think that they only lose their spot when a) someone more skilled knocks on the door and b) the rest of the team has developed / can bring these traits in sufficient quantaties that they are looked upon foldly but not missed. 

So I agree he struggles and will be replaced eventually, but we are a while away from that yet. 

4 minutes ago, deanox said:

I think Vanders is an enigma. In some ways similar to Viney in that his most valuable contribution is intangible and not quantifiable.

Toughness, leadership (by physical example), persistent effort, aggression, perceived pressure. Heart and soul? These things matter to the way that everyone else around them plays. 

Few players have these qualities in abundance. And I think that they only lose their spot when a) someone more skilled knocks on the door and b) the rest of the team has developed / can bring these traits in sufficient quantaties that they are looked upon foldly but not missed. 

So I agree he struggles and will be replaced eventually, but we are a while away from that yet. 

Cant argue with any of that

7 minutes ago, deanox said:

I think Vanders is an enigma. In some ways similar to Viney in that his most valuable contribution is intangible and not quantifiable.

Toughness, leadership (by physical example), persistent effort, aggression, perceived pressure. Heart and soul? These things matter to the way that everyone else around them plays. 

Few players have these qualities in abundance. And I think that they only lose their spot when a) someone more skilled knocks on the door and b) the rest of the team has developed / can bring these traits in sufficient quantaties that they are looked upon foldly but not missed. 

So I agree he struggles and will be replaced eventually, but we are a while away from that yet. 

Agreed. A bit like Byron Pickett in 2006, in that opponents didn’t want to go near him. 
 

He was a real weapon that year

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Agreed. A bit like Byron Pickett in 2006, in that opponents didn’t want to go near him. 
 

He was a real weapon that year

My son is in an analytical field that understands human motivation and more so effect!!

He said to me that VDB is a great barometer and instigator of what occurs out on the field!

Ahh In spite of any negatives here ...I might get it wrong,,, often.. but my son .. Ah I'll back his appraisal!

I always like AVB in our side!!

Edited July 24, 20205 yr by picket fence

36 minutes ago, picket fence said:

My son is in an analytical field that understands human motivation and more so effect!!

He said to me that VDB is a great barometer and instigator of what occurs out on the field!

Ahh In spite of any negatives here ...I might get it wrong,,, often.. but my son .. Ah I'll back his appraisal!

I always like AVB in our side!!

Sure. A heavy tackle can be equal to multiple “disposals” if that tackle is rendered correctly...

 

On 7/22/2020 at 8:39 PM, Mickey said:

Stratton got fined for striking

Should've been at least 1 week

Thank phark this bloke is back in tomorrow night.

It's no coincidence that we play better football when he is in the team,  it's happened on multiple occasions now. 

Not blessed with skill but raises the bar for the whole team with his attack on the opponent.

Love him! 

Can somebody change the subject, I keep thinking he has re-injured himself

Not a lot of tackles stuck properly last week, not a problem for AvB!