Racial Vilification of Harley Bennell

[Grr-owl 1,208]

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Don’t really want to argue mate. Racism is alive and well in Australia, it’s been here since the first British Ships landed

We Whites are not even worthy to comment on such things to say it doesn’t exist. 

It was even here before white people, because there were people here. By writing, "We Whites" you are being racist. There is no 'we.' You are attributing a characteristic to the color of someone's skin. Apparently, I am not worthy because my skin is white. It is not true. I am worthy and my skin color has nothing to do with it.

[ding 5,126]

Why do threads like these always degenerate into a contest of who is most offended?

Some of you are taking the opportunity to show your own prejudices against others, regardless of colour or background, which are not much better than the crap aimed at HB.

Everyone needs to take a breath and think if they are adding to the problem, despite posting their outrage against it.

Society is improving, but we have to stop the generalising.

[binman 42,485]

54 minutes ago, dieter said:

I agree with you entirely.

I have a saying: scratch a Ukrainian, find a potato. Scratch many Australians, find a While Australia Policy.

Invasion.

Terra Nullis - an empty land, no humans.

No treaty. 

Colonization.

Not recognizing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in the constitution 

Stealing peoples land. Making fortunes (that exist to this day) from that stolen land

State sanctioned massacres. Non state sanctioned massacres not punished.

No recognition of ownership of land of the first people for 200 plus years

Official government policy of genocide that lasted (scarcely believably) well into the 20th century.

Forcible removal of children from their families as part of the policy of genocide

Forcing children into slavery to look after white people's children and their homes

Deaths in custody - and doing nothing about it

Locking up Aboriginal children and their fathers at obscenely disproportionate rates

Official government White Australia Policy (the name says it all) that was only replaced  well past the mid point of the 20th century

The first people not being able to vote in their own country until 1967. I repeat 1967.

Mandatory detention and  dehumanizing of 'boat people' as wildly popular government policy (and the lack of awareness of the irony of such a policy)

Vilification of young Australians whose parents escaped war in Africa

The One Nation Party and it increasing popularity as reflected at the last federal election

A mining company legally blowing up caves that showed evidence of human occupation for 10s of thousands of years.

The popularity of peanuts like Bolt and Sam Newman

I could go on.

To say Australia is not a racist county is patently false. And a common delusion that ensures we remain so.

Edited July 13, 2020 by binman

[Sir Why You Little 36,912]

42 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

It was even here before white people, because there were people here. By writing, "We Whites" you are being racist. There is no 'we.' You are attributing a characteristic to the color of someone's skin. Apparently, I am not worthy because my skin is white. It is not true. I am worthy and my skin color has nothing to do with it.

I suggest you read Binman’s post #103

He basically covered all the things i wanted to say if i had a note pad and a spare hour. 

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

Excellent @binman, a lot of what I have discussed with Nev, to try and get an understanding of what it is like to be Indigenous

Will never truly know coz I'm not, but can hopefully help get their voice heard

[bing181 9,193]

1 hour ago, Grr-owl said:

Of course, there are racist Australians, of all colors,

"A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities or acts of discrimination."

(US specific references/examples omitted.)

https://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/Definitions-of Racism.pdf

Edited July 13, 2020 by bing181

[Willmoy1947 4,070]

A lot of good stuff on here you blokes. I needed to be reminded....

[dieter 3,325]

37 minutes ago, binman said:

Invasion.

Terra Nullis - an empty land, no humans.

No treaty. 

Colonization.

Not recognizing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in the constitution 

Stealing peoples land. Making fortunes (that exist to this day) from that stolen land

State sanctioned massacres. Non state sanctioned massacres not punished.

No recognition of ownership of land of the first people for 200 plus years

Official government policy of genocide that lasted (scarcely believably) well into the 20th century.

Forcible removal of children from their families as part of the policy of genocide

Forcing children into slavery to look after white people's children and their homes

Deaths in custody - and doing nothing about it

Locking up Aboriginal children and their fathers at obscenely disproportionate rates

Official government White Australia Policy (the name says it all) that was only replaced  well past the mid point of the 20th century

The first people not being able to vote in their own country until 1967. I repeat 1967.

Mandatory detention and  dehumanizing of 'boat people' as wildly popular government policy (and the lack of awareness of the irony of such a policy)

Vilification of young Australians whose parents escaped war in Africa

The One Nation Party and it increasing popularity as reflected at the last federal election

A mining company legally blowing up caves that showed evidence of human occupation for 10s of thousands of years.

The popularity of peanuts like Bolt and Sam Newman

I could go on.

To say Australia is not a racist county is patently false. And a common delusion that ensures we remain so.

Brilliant hit the nail on the head stuff, BInman. !!!!!

 

[dieter 3,325]

7 minutes ago, bing181 said:

"A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities or acts of discrimination."

(US specific references/examples omitted.)

https://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/Definitions-of Racism.pdf

Then again, there's Linda Price, an Alice Springs Politician working her way up the greasy Liberal pole, who is of Aboriginal descent,  who claims most of the  four hundred and whatever it is Deaths in Custody since 1991 were due to  ------'Natural Causes.'  And, I bet she also agrees with the Scomeo, that there was NO Slavery!!!!

[Little Richard 6,255]

24 minutes ago, willmoy said:

A lot of good stuff on here you blokes. I needed to be reminded....

Sometimes we all do I reckon.

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

The context of racism against historically diminished people is different to racism against people of European heritage, just because of the nature of historical events. The children of perpetrators do not inherit the crime. The children of victims do inherit the suffering. Punkt. 

[Willmoy1947 4,070]

6 minutes ago, AmDamDemon said:

The context of racism against historically diminished people is different to racism against people of European heritage, just because of the nature of historical events. The children of perpetrators do not inherit the crime. The children of victims do inherit the suffering. Punkt. 

 i can well imagine the Royal Commissioner walking out of proceedings, muttering Cannon Law is a bugger, every night....

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

1 minute ago, willmoy said:

 i can well imagine the Royal Commissioner walking out of proceedings, muttering Cannon Law is a bugger, every night....

Indeed the same can be said as regards the context of ‘canon law’ and ‘bugger’

[Willmoy1947 4,070]

1 minute ago, AmDamDemon said:

Indeed the same can be said as regards the context of ‘canon law’ and ‘bugger’

..good pick up...

[jnrmac 20,046]

2 hours ago, dieter said:

Then again, there's Linda Price, an Alice Springs Politician working her way up the greasy Liberal pole, who is of Aboriginal descent,  who claims most of the  four hundred and whatever it is Deaths in Custody since 1991 were due to  ------'Natural Causes.'  And, I bet she also agrees with the Scomeo, that there was NO Slavery!!!!

I suggest you go an read the Australian Institute of Criminology Report into Black Deaths in Custody since the 1991 Royal Commission.

I did and it is quite illuminating. I'll copy it here for you so can you can educate yourself.

 

https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sr/sr21

[Sir Why You Little 36,912]

3 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

It was even here before white people, because there were people here. By writing, "We Whites" you are being racist. There is no 'we.' You are attributing a characteristic to the color of someone's skin. Apparently, I am not worthy because my skin is white. It is not true. I am worthy and my skin color has nothing to do with it.

There was only one side who were put in chains. 
The indigenous Tasmanian’s were totally eradicated, so the colour of skin has a lot to do with Australia’s racism

It still exists, but lives in the shadows

[jnrmac 20,046]

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

"A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities or acts of discrimination."

(US specific references/examples omitted.)

https://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/Definitions-of Racism.pdf

Yes, this is the new Critical Race Theory definition of racism.

Interesting

[dieter 3,325]

6 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I suggest you go an read the Australian Institute of Criminology Report into Black Deaths in Custody since the 1991 Royal Commission.

I did and it is quite illuminating. I'll copy it here for you so can you can educate yourself.

 

https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sr/sr21

Many questions, Jnrmac. The fact it needed a 'report' raises the question of smoke and fire in the first place. Secondly, it may raise the question of how many white fellas died in custody. I'll bet quite a few bottles of red the figure is miniscule in comparison. 

My main problem is that we're talking about a 'Legal system' designed and run by an establishment which caused the imbalance of prison populations which - as in all Colonial countries - has a huge proportional imbalance.

It's also the same Legal System which allows Pedophiles like Pell to walk free.In other words, brother, it may well pretend to be a Legal System, but it's simply a continuum of the notion of White, Moneyed  Privilege. It is as far removed from the concept of justice and equality as we are in kilometres from the North Pole.

[jnrmac 20,046]

4 hours ago, dieter said:

Many questions, Jnrmac. The fact it needed a 'report' raises the question of smoke and fire in the first place. Secondly, it may raise the question of how many white fellas died in custody. I'll bet quite a few bottles of red the figure is miniscule in comparison. 

My main problem is that we're talking about a 'Legal system' designed and run by an establishment which caused the imbalance of prison populations which - as in all Colonial countries - has a huge proportional imbalance.

It's also the same Legal System which allows Pedophiles like Pell to walk free.In other words, brother, it may well pretend to be a Legal System, but it's simply a continuum of the notion of White, Moneyed  Privilege. It is as far removed from the concept of justice and equality as we are in kilometres from the North Pole.

I'm not going to engage in a debate with you when you post such hyperbole, use lots of emotive and fashionable buzz words but are devoid of facts.

The report was produced to establish how the 'system' had performed since the 1991 Royal Commission into deaths in custody. And 'custody' includes deaths as a result of car accidents whilst being pursued.

I would encourage you to read it, it's not that long and the results might surprise you.

[KingDingAling 3,752]

On 7/12/2020 at 12:58 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Well done Bartlett to get on the front foot so quickly to support Harley.

He also said:  “I am already in discussions and intend to follow up key Federal and Victorian Government Ministers to explore what can be done to strengthen laws to make people accountable and stamp out this abhorrent behaviour".

Shocked that the AFL hasn't already done this on behalf of all clubs and really all sports. 

The AFL and online platform services need to go hard. I'd hate to see the Government involved in law changes just because of select behaviour from a very small minority of individuals (who may not even be from this country). 

[Pates 9,655]

3 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

The AFL and online platform services need to go hard. I'd hate to see the Government involved in law changes just because of select behaviour from a very small minority of individuals (who may not even be from this country). 

I doubt it would happen but wouldn't it be something if collectively sporting codes removed themselves from twitter until some kind of accountability was created.

[spirit of norm smith 16,203]

I wish we had a vaccine for Covid 19. 
 

I wish we had a vaccine for racism. It is a virus that extends through the community. It’s not the majority. It’s the minority.  But there are ignorant uneducated ill informed commentators like Bolt and Hansen that get air time. Turn them off. Shut them out.  And to the trolls and cowards that dispel filth and dirt on the social media, crawl back into your cave and don’t come out 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,670]

16 hours ago, bing181 said:

"A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities or acts of discrimination."

(US specific references/examples omitted.)

https://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/Definitions-of Racism.pdf

This seems to suggest racism is only about the colour of somebody's skin. I would have thought racism also extends to other characteristics, including religion although I appreciate that there has always been an argument that religion and race mean two different things.

[Demonland 71,127]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

This seems to suggest racism is only about the colour of somebody's skin. I would have thought racism also extends to other characteristics, including religion although I appreciate that there has always been an argument that religion and race mean two different things.

It all falls under the bigotry umbrella and needs to be stamped out.

[ManDee 7,124]

Kudos to all posters for having this discussion and maintaining a semblance of respect for each other. We are very fortunate to be in Australia, we have won life's lottery.

Racial vilification is never acceptable. I think education is the best way to stamp it out, but that is taking time and will take a long time yet.