1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

He was, but to be fair he'd only been there a few months, a big part of which Goodwin wouldn't have even been there for. It was very much a Mahoney and board decision.

In our interview with Bartlett I was surprised to learn that Pert was pulling the strings in 2018 from midway through the year whilst PJ was still employed at the club. I found that odd and probably should have ask to expand on that but didn't sink in until my later listen. I have no idea if that is normal practice and am happy to be corrected.

From my question (27 minutes into the actual interview):

Q: There’s a growing frustration among some supporters who believe that we’ve gone backwards since PJ and Roosy left, or that our progress has stalled. What’s your response to that, is it a fair assessment?  

A: Perty, I think it's disrespectful to our CEO, who really took over mid 2018, so he's appointed in June 2018, and ALL major decisions from that day, and at really Peter's direction and agreement, were run though Perty from middle of 2018. 

The thing that worries me about Pert is his vision for Melbourne doesn’t really sit in reality. He wants us to be a big club and a big commercial business.

Jackson seemed to be focussed on making us a well run boutique club.

There seems to be a rise of wearing different jumpers. The social media has shifted towards gimmicks. Everything possible is sold to a sponsor, including the extra Zurich logo on the back of the jumper. Some of that is the commercial reality of covid and preferable to job losses, but I’m still concerned. 
 

Otherwise he was bought on to build a facility which now seems unlikely and instead has to get involved in footy decisions - it is the core business. 
 

So he has a mess to sort then has to come up with a new plan to improve the club. 

I have no problem with them selling extra jumper space to a current sponsor to keep them happy and give them more value for money if it's going to keep them around.

I have no problem with the social media of the club. We're getting more vision and content from the club and that's a good thing. You might say it's gimmicky but I bet they're not aimed at the older demographic.

This footy club has deteriorated dramatically since PJ & Roos left & in my opinion, any coach would have taken our boys to the finals after the development, determination & confidence that Roosey impacted on the club in his 3 year tenure. 

To see us again as the laughing stock of the AFL is so sad & I agree that it's not Perts fault. The buck stops with the coach for on field W's or L's. He is responsible for implementing a game plan, selection of players, training loads & is expected to make the appropriate changes to his team when things go south.....I know this has been said many times before but that's when you know whether a coach is worth his coin.....Can he think/react on his feet?

Bartlett & Mahoney had the responsibility of extending Goodwins contract & I am sure are under the microscope because of this.

Our list, on paper, looks solid however, our performances thus far do not reflect this......I'm prepared to give them another 6 weeks, however, if we don't improve in the next month or two, then wholesale changes need to be made......its the only cause of action, in my opinion, even given the different environment we are in.

Is Richardson the answer? Not sure......

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The thing that worries me about Pert is his vision for Melbourne doesn’t really sit in reality. He wants us to be a big club and a big commercial business.

Jackson seemed to be focussed on making us a well run boutique club.

There seems to be a rise of wearing different jumpers. The social media has shifted towards gimmicks. Everything possible is sold to a sponsor, including the extra Zurich logo on the back of the jumper. Some of that is the commercial reality of covid and preferable to job losses, but I’m still concerned. 
 

Otherwise he was bought on to build a facility which now seems unlikely and instead has to get involved in footy decisions - it is the core business. 
 

So he has a mess to sort then has to come up with a new plan to improve the club. 

We should be a big Club with a big Commercial Business, It just shows how poorly  we have been run for so long. 
 

Melbourne is a big growing City and we have carried the same name since 1858

Last warning to all those who are going to ignore the rules. Criticism of performance is ok. At least attempt to back it up. Personal attacks are not ok. I hate having to moderate but if you are going to blatantly ignore the rules and in particular ignore private friendly warnings from admins and mods then you will be taking a forced break from this site.

37 minutes ago, Demonland said:

In our interview with Bartlett I was surprised to learn that Pert was pulling the strings in 2018 from midway through the year whilst PJ was still employed at the club. I found that odd and probably should have ask to expand on that but didn't sink in until my later listen. I have no idea if that is normal practice and am happy to be corrected.

From my question (27 minutes into the actual interview):

Q: There’s a growing frustration among some supporters who believe that we’ve gone backwards since PJ and Roosy left, or that our progress has stalled. What’s your response to that, is it a fair assessment?  

A: Perty, I think it's disrespectful to our CEO, who really took over mid 2018, so he's appointed in June 2018, and ALL major decisions from that day, and at really Peter's direction and agreement, were run though Perty from middle of 2018. 

Always had a bit of an off feeling about PJ's exit and that adds to it a bit tbh. I've got nothing against Pert at all, from the outside he seems to be doing a good job, but just something never sat well about the process and how it all panned out.

36 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I have no problem with them selling extra jumper space to a current sponsor to keep them happy and give them more value for money if it's going to keep them around.

Remember someone here posting that a few clubs had done the same thing this year. Seems a common theme to try and give the sponsors as much exposure as they would get in a normal season.

35 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I have no problem with the social media of the club. We're getting more vision and content from the club and that's a good thing. You might say it's gimmicky but I bet they're not aimed at the older demographic.

Our content has been getting better and better the last couple of years, this year IMO it's the best it's ever been and given that's with a likely reduced staff I think that's a fantastic effort by the club.

In particular, the content for kids they've started to put out has been a great initiative.

 

2 hours ago, The Jackson 6 said:

Tad harsh. Inherited Goodwin’s contract extension so is limited in his capacity to impact football performance. Tick on new sponsors. Tick on a healthy(ish) balance sheet which will give us a fighting chance of avoiding AFL intervention. Too early to tell on finding a new home - certainly hasn’t succeeded on that front but that is a long range project so deserves more time. My biggest query on him is his role in endorsing the coaching changes (and bringing a failed coach in Richardson in to support a coach under pressure) but that really should sit on Mahoney’s shoulders first.

I think he was there to sign off on the extension for Goody 

46 minutes ago, Demonland said:

In our interview with Bartlett I was surprised to learn that Pert was pulling the strings in 2018 from midway through the year whilst PJ was still employed at the club. I found that odd and probably should have ask to expand on that but didn't sink in until my later listen. I have no idea if that is normal practice and am happy to be corrected.

From my question (27 minutes into the actual interview):

Q: There’s a growing frustration among some supporters who believe that we’ve gone backwards since PJ and Roosy left, or that our progress has stalled. What’s your response to that, is it a fair assessment?  

A: Perty, I think it's disrespectful to our CEO, who really took over mid 2018, so he's appointed in June 2018, and ALL major decisions from that day, and at really Peter's direction and agreement, were run though Perty from middle of 2018. 

I felt Bartlett was at pains to play down Jacksons influence. 

2 hours ago, The Jackson 6 said:

Tad harsh. Inherited Goodwin’s contract extension so is limited in his capacity to impact football performance.

Incorrect

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"It’s great for the Club to announce, prior to the season starting, that Simon Goodwin has signed on for the next four years," Demons CEO Gary Pert said on Tuesday.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/simon-goodwin-contract-extension-melbourne-demons-coach/qipt5ifkbf3x1o5m1vukuvu19

Anyone else at the club we haven't taken a pot at yet or have we gone full circle and are now back at the CEO ? 

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Didn't realise it was Pert was the one missing targets into our forward entries.

Glad I know who the culprit is for dropping the last two games.

Agree. You win a few games and then everyone and everything  is fantastic.

1 minute ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Anyone else at the club we haven't taken a pot at yet or have we gone full circle and are now back at the CEO ? 

Viney slipped over a lot last week, time to start a thread about if the boot studder is the right guy...

1 minute ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Anyone else at the club we haven't taken a pot at yet or have we gone full circle and are now back at the CEO ? 

Property steward must be due.

1 minute ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Anyone else at the club we haven't taken a pot at yet or have we gone full circle and are now back at the CEO ? 

Come on, this is a professional supporters sporting club paying industry salaries. Everyone is under scrutiny and must be held accountable. Talk of taking pot shots siounds like you are having a crack at the Dimboola Under 13 volunteer coach

I cannot understand the criticism of Pert. WE complained bitterly that a previous CEO got too involved in the football department (Schwab) but now say that Pert hasn't done enough to mange that area. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Pert has bought more sponsors to the club, restructured slightly and keeps a low profile so his ego doesn't clash with the coach or football manager. Did you know he follows up constructive emails to the club by personally reaching out to the member? I know one long time staff member who left just prior to the first lockdown because of lack of resources in her dept that Pert could not supply. Finance and budgets were difficult pre COVID but I dare say now they are extraordinarily difficult. PJ upset lots early on by letting long standing staff go as they were not essential to the core business but no one questions what he managed to achieve.

The issue isn't with Pert and it is up to the football dept to work on and come up with a plan to correct.

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I don’t think any new CEO in the world wouldn’t have extended Goodwin.

The measure of the CEO’s value will he if the contract has out clauses for the last 1-2 years. A 4 year deal and a pay rise deserves to have some protection on the back end of the deal. 

Extension was fine. Extending for effectively 4 seasons was dumb, unless as you say there are get out clauses.

I’m more worried about “Connection forward of centre” and inside 50 conversions right now. 

7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Viney slipped over a lot last week, time to start a thread about if the boot studder is the right guy...

That depends LN. Was he hired by PJ or Perty or is he part of the veil of negativity that predated both ? We need answers dammit !

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

As far as I've heard, the problem isn't Pert.

Mahoney was being groomed for the CEO role and then didn't get it. He should have moved on at the time. Jackson was the one preparing Mahoney for that role but Bartlett decided to take a bit more control and make some decisions. I haven't heard anything negative about Pert, doesn't mean it's not there of course, but I've been hearing plenty of noise about Mahoney and Bartlett.

My opinion is that things weren't setup well enough when both PJ and Roos left (at different times) and we really needed PJ for longer. Seems like the culture has gone back to how it was previously already. Cliques and friction.

Greaaatttt news if true.

 

3 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

One coach wins every 18 years. I'm not sure the other 17 are failures. Experience is important and Richardson brings that.

Self evidently not true

Since 2004 only 7 teams have won a flag

37 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Since 2004 only 7 teams have won a flag

How many since 1964??