Dee-sappointment Article Nails It

[Lord Travis 10,742]

1 hour ago, A F said:

This makes me feel better everyone:

Overall, I don’t think the Dees’ position is a dire as some make it out to be. Their 2020 players who were 23 or younger on January 1 this year have 399 career AFLCA votes between them – more than you’ll find on any other AFL list.

I'd wager once Clarry passes that age mark in a yers time, that number would close to 0 and we'd have the worst crop of youngsters going round. As an indicator, we haven't had a Rising Star nomination since 2016 and the only player who came close was Spargo in 2018.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

4 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

The lack of a second tall target is suicidal. Weideman, Brown, Jackson, Tomlinson (?) might not be the answer but you've got to give somebody a go, the idea that you're going to kick long onto the head of Fritsch and Hunt is insanity.

Richmond won their first flag of the modern era with one tall forward. And he isn't that tall.

Collingwood who are flag favourites are only playing one tall forward.

It's hardly suicidal.

 

[Supermercado 2,797]

Just now, Wrecker45 said:

Richmond won their first flag of the modern era with one tall forward. And he isn't that tall.

Collingwood who are flag favourites are only playing one tall forward.

It's hardly suicidal.

 

No interest in what other clubs do, the way we play it's stupid.

Alternatively they could change the way we play but I bet that doesn't happen.

[Lord Travis 10,742]

For the record, Tomlinson played forward for the second half on the weekend and was ineffective.

I agree with most of the article though and it is damning. We're the worst team in the league and some serious changes need to be made because we're a mile off the pace and going backwards.

[BW511 2,675]

Richmond and Collingwood both have very good field kicks at their disposal.

It can work if you have the players for that style, we simply don't

 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

3 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

No interest in what other clubs do, the way we play it's stupid.

Alternatively they could change the way we play but I bet that doesn't happen.

Not hitting a target when you are kicking into the forward line is stupid regardless of the size of the player it's kicked too.

Just like if you are kicking from full back, the half back flank or on the wing.

We like to play and win contested footy but it doesn't excuse poor kicking.

This has nothing to do with the size of our forward line.

[Demon3 2,541]

16 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Michael Tuck played 50 games in the reserves before getting a senior game. I doubt he would have been eligible for a rising star but he won 7 premierships.

If we played Jordan on the ball he would likely get a rising star nomination but he would need to pass Viney, Oliver or Brayshaw. Harmes would be breathing down his neck too.

Understand all that. Begs teh question why re went and recruited more on ballers in the first place.. bu that another thread i think.

All good, just an observation.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Understand all that. Begs teh question why re went and recruited more on ballers in the first place.. bu that another thread i think.

All good, just an observation.

In the most recent draft we got Jackson, Kossie and Rivers. A ruck/forward, forward pocket and back flank.

 

[bush demon 2,046]

9 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Richmond and Collingwood both have very good field kicks at their disposal.

It can work if you have the players for that style, we simply don't

 

Field kicking is a function of having marking forwards (Riewoldt, Tom Lynch). If we could get Weidemann/McDonald/Tomlinson functioning delivery would improve as well. Just do it Melbourne, you know it's right.

[deebug 1,754]

This is part of the problem Goodwin, does not try new things, even during a game he hardly tries something new, he gets out coached in all most ever game.

[Sir Why You Little 37,052]

3 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Why Melbourne are a Dee-sappointment - and what they should do next

Good article. 
 

Go back to basic skills Simon

Kicking Marking Handballing Spreading for Team mates Goal Kicking

No good having the ball, if you cannot use it properly. 
I am shocked at how bad our skills are.

Pressure acts will increase with confidence. 

[old dee 23,801]

1 hour ago, 3183 Dee said:

I would argue that his 47 goals (before injury) was a key factor in the side’s momentum into finals and that we have been diabolical going forward ever since.

We simply have not come close to replacing those 47 goals.

[old dee 23,801]

41 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Richmond won their first flag of the modern era with one tall forward. And he isn't that tall.

Collingwood who are flag favourites are only playing one tall forward.

It's hardly suicidal.

 

Have you noticed how well the pies are doing with the best ruckman in the comp. Richmond can only beat us. 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

9 minutes ago, old dee said:

Have you noticed how well the pies are doing with the best ruckman in the comp. Richmond can only beat us. 

I would take Richmond or Collingwood's form over ours 

 

[old dee 23,801]

5 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I would take Richmond or Collingwood's form over ours 

 

That doesn't say much you could say the same for every team except the crows. 

[Bay Riffin 1,477]

2 hours ago, BW511 said:

Richmond and Collingwood both have very good field kicks at their disposal.

It can work if you have the players for that style, we simply don't

 

Richmond are not a great kicking side. and showed up again against us. They rely on their few good kickers massively in Cotchin, Martin and Houli to set up play. Martin dropped off and they lost a few games. there game is placed on pressure and little dinky kicks and chains of handpasses..

[Bay Riffin 1,477]

I thought the article was poor. Solution ? put Thomlinson up forward. he is very poor one on one. Hes an elite runner with good foot skills so keep him in the middle.

Love how eveyoner is all over the Dees now to kick the dog whilst it is down. especially all the drafting articles.

[BW511 2,675]

5 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

Richmond are not a great kicking side. and showed up again against us. They rely on their few good kickers massively in Cotchin, Martin and Houli to set up play. Martin dropped off and they lost a few games. there game is placed on pressure and little dinky kicks and chains of handpasses..

They may not be considered a great kicking side but Cotchin, Martin and Houli would be ahead of our best and that gives them 3 more than us who deliver the ball forward of the centre

Edited July 8, 2020 by BW511

[nosoupforme 3,085]

33 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I like the thinking of Tomlinson to CHF.  It’s a good option. He can mark the footy. His mobile. I don’t see him as a player for the “Wing” position that Goodwin etc highlighted him to fit into. He’s a CHF/CHB. That’s where he played all his junior footy.  He can kick the footy 55 metres. That’s where he played his best footy at the Giants.

His endurance is excellent and so that’s why perhaps we saw him as a winger. By midfielders standard, he is dead slow.

Time to rethink where we use Tomlinson. Again he’s a good footballer that we need to get best value out of. 

Perfect Tomlinson at CHB just playing on key talls that will release some pressure off May and Lever then can become  the  intercept player that he was when playing with the Crows.  We look better with 3 good talls in the back half with Tomlinson down there . The extra tall that is missing.

If we are to win games then we need 2 focal points in the forward line and we had them when we made finals in 2018. TOM and the WEID.

That is the best we have. Give them another go together.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,704]

Our players are coached with tunnel vision goggles on, no peripheral vision what so ever. The amount of easy entries to kick to a player with loads of space and time is just insane.

Tomlinson going forward sounds interesting tho.

[Palace Dees 2,335]

2 hours ago, Supermercado said:

No interest in what other clubs do, the way we play it's stupid.

Alternatively they could change the way we play but I bet that doesn't happen.

 

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Good article. 
 

Go back to basic skills Simon

Kicking Marking Handballing Spreading for Team mates Goal Kicking

No good having the ball, if you cannot use it properly. 
I am shocked at how bad our skills are.

Pressure acts will increase with confidence. 

In a member exclusive Zoom session with Jack Viney a couple of weeks ago, I asked him if the game plan had changed this year. His response was that the game plan has basically been the same for some years.  I interpreted this two ways:

1.That this is in fact true and we keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result (definition of stupidity) or

2. It has in fact changed but Jack, for one, is not aware it has.

Either way - we are in real trouble.

[Sir Why You Little 37,052]

34 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

I thought the article was poor. Solution ? put Thomlinson up forward. he is very poor one on one. Hes an elite runner with good foot skills so keep him in the middle.

Love how eveyoner is all over the Dees now to kick the dog whilst it is down. especially all the drafting articles.

We deserve all the heat. For too often we fly under the clouds

The Board gave this Rookie Coach a huge extension. 
2 years is what he earnt

The entire system has stalled since that extension

 

[bazza226 74]

Tomlinson going forward would be a bust as his kicking for goal is worse than any of other forwards.

Bring back a forward coach and a kicking coach.

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,052]

6 minutes ago, Palace Dees said:

 

In a member exclusive Zoom session with Jack Viney a couple of weeks ago, I asked him if the game plan had changed this year. His response was that the game plan has basically been the same for some years.  I interpreted this two ways:

1.That this is in fact true and we keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result (definition of stupidity) or

2. It has in fact changed but Jack, for one, is not aware it has.

Either way - we are in real trouble.

Get the skills up and the game plan just might work. 
i cannot believe that basic skills are still not demanded at AFL LEVEL

It is a [censored] joke that the MFC is asking supporters for an extra $mill by Christmas ? and our players cannot execue the basics of the game

[Robbie57 2,021]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Get the skills up and the game plan just might work. 
i cannot believe that basic skills are still not demanded at AFL LEVEL

 

It is very strange we have not changed the game plan. I once spoke with a very senior IBM executive, they had lots of plans including individual ones but whilst the organisation insisted on the planning process and tried to execute the plans everyone realised they would be very different by the end of the financial year. 

To adopt an overused word, our coaching group does not appear agile enough.