3 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Pretty hard for them to shed light on the matter when the so called info is fake news, {as the trump would say}

Not fake, Jack told a senior member of the leadership group he was staying after seeing the contract. That person is taking Jack at his word. If Jack is sounding out other offers they would have to be much better as an RFA the club can match the offer and Geelong are not noted for over paying.

8 hours ago, Older demon said:

Not fake, Jack told a senior member of the leadership group he was staying after seeing the contract. That person is taking Jack at his word. If Jack is sounding out other offers they would have to be much better as an RFA the club can match the offer and Geelong are not noted for over paying.

Who is the senior member of the leadership group. Since free agency began I don't think any club has matched an offer to keep  a player, why would you?

8 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Who is the senior member of the leadership group. Since free agency began I don't think any club has matched an offer to keep  a player, why would you?

Didn’t Scully tell a dying Jim Stynes that he was staying?

But, I’m hearing you - JV has more character

1 minute ago, jumbo returns said:

Didn’t Scully tell a dying Jim Stynes that he was staying?

But, I’m hearing you - JV has more character

Yeah, I am sure Scully indicated he would, and I agree that Viney would most likely be more honest in his indications.

12 hours ago, Cards13 said:

How would one “keep them all” but some outside talent with very little money in the salary cap and no first round pick this year?

No idea ?

The big issue at the moment is club don't know what the TPP will be in 2021 and the list size.  No idea how clubs are approaching players from other clubs why this is a great unknown.

2 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Who is the senior member of the leadership group. Since free agency began I don't think any club has matched an offer to keep  a player, why would you?

If I divulge my source then they will never speak to me again. You only have to look who is in the leadership group to narrow the field. Clubs don’t match the offer because the RFA gets offered overs so and more than the Existing club is prepared to offer, the Crows matched the offer for Danger and then Geelong had to trade but Danger had compelling reasons to return to Geelong.

I know it is a ruthless business but if a leader ask you if you are staying and how are you going and you say unequivocally Yes I am red & blue through and through, then you have to take them at their word, don’t you. If they stay they haven’t breached that trust if they have been untruthful then it doesn’t matter because they will be somewhere else. Do you think Scully ever had any remorse for lying to Jim?

Viney’ should manager is on record as saying the original offer was too low but he has a contract now to consider that is commensurate with being a former leader and 3rd in the B&F. The ball is in Viney’s court. I have only reported what I have been told from someone I trust and the club has so far done the right thing by the club. Viney will be well compensated with a long contract. The delay suggests he is still thinking about it which is his perogative.

3 minutes ago, Older demon said:

If I divulge my source then they will never speak to me again. You only have to look who is in the leadership group to narrow the field. Clubs don’t match the offer because the RFA gets offered overs so and more than the Existing club is prepared to offer, the Crows matched the offer for Danger and then Geelong had to trade but Danger had compelling reasons to return to Geelong.

I know it is a ruthless business but if a leader ask you if you are staying and how are you going and you say unequivocally Yes I am red & blue through and through, then you have to take them at their word, don’t you. If they stay they haven’t breached that trust if they have been untruthful then it doesn’t matter because they will be somewhere else. Do you think Scully ever had any remorse for lying to Jim?

Viney’ should manager is on record as saying the original offer was too low but he has a contract now to consider that is commensurate with being a former leader and 3rd in the B&F. The ball is in Viney’s court. I have only reported what I have been told from someone I trust and the club has so far done the right thing by the club. Viney will be well compensated with a long contract. The delay suggests he is still thinking about it which is his perogative.

Time will tell.

10 minutes ago, Older demon said:

If I divulge my source then they will never speak to me again. You only have to look who is in the leadership group to narrow the field. Clubs don’t match the offer because the RFA gets offered overs so and more than the Existing club is prepared to offer, the Crows matched the offer for Danger and then Geelong had to trade but Danger had compelling reasons to return to Geelong.

I know it is a ruthless business but if a leader ask you if you are staying and how are you going and you say unequivocally Yes I am red & blue through and through, then you have to take them at their word, don’t you. If they stay they haven’t breached that trust if they have been untruthful then it doesn’t matter because they will be somewhere else. Do you think Scully ever had any remorse for lying to Jim?

Viney’ should manager is on record as saying the original offer was too low but he has a contract now to consider that is commensurate with being a former leader and 3rd in the B&F. The ball is in Viney’s court. I have only reported what I have been told from someone I trust and the club has so far done the right thing by the club. Viney will be well compensated with a long contract. The delay suggests he is still thinking about it which is his perogative.

Looks like you're on the money here.

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2020-jack-viney-geelong-isaac-smith-melbourne-demons-updates-tom-morris/news-story/c3e09490ae2a954c0fdf3f4b07201787?__twitter_impression=true

Meanwhile, Geelong has not been officially notified but senses Jack Viney will re-sign at Melbourne on a long-term deal.

Demons insiders are now supremely confident the hard-nosed midfielder will remain as negotiations continue between his agent Tom Petroro and the club.

It’s understood Viney’s preference is to stay and Melbourne has raised its offer since initial

 

3 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Who is the senior member of the leadership group. Since free agency began I don't think any club has matched an offer to keep  a player, why would you?

Adelaide did with Dangerfield 

3 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Who is the senior member of the leadership group. Since free agency began I don't think any club has matched an offer to keep  a player, why would you?

Surely you don’t expect people to say who has told them the information? 

53 minutes ago, Older demon said:

If I divulge my source then they will never speak to me again. You only have to look who is in the leadership group to narrow the field. Clubs don’t match the offer because the RFA gets offered overs so and more than the Existing club is prepared to offer, the Crows matched the offer for Danger and then Geelong had to trade but Danger had compelling reasons to return to Geelong.

I know it is a ruthless business but if a leader ask you if you are staying and how are you going and you say unequivocally Yes I am red & blue through and through, then you have to take them at their word, don’t you. If they stay they haven’t breached that trust if they have been untruthful then it doesn’t matter because they will be somewhere else. Do you think Scully ever had any remorse for lying to Jim?

Viney’ should manager is on record as saying the original offer was too low but he has a contract now to consider that is commensurate with being a former leader and 3rd in the B&F. The ball is in Viney’s court. I have only reported what I have been told from someone I trust and the club has so far done the right thing by the club. Viney will be well compensated with a long contract. The delay suggests he is still thinking about it which is his perogative.

You shouldn’t have to divulge your source, keep posting.

14 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

 

 

Jack has advised the club he will sign the 4 year contract in front of him. The formalities will follow. The delay is around AFL confirmations on 2021 caps and list sizes. 

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Surely you don’t expect people to say who has told them the information? 

You never know, someone might inadvertently slip up.

I also don't take for granted anyone's inside info on this site or any other internet site as it appears an awful lot do.

12 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

You never know, someone might inadvertently slip up.

I also don't take for granted anyone's inside info on this site or any other internet site as it appears an awful lot do.

But yet you still find the need to reply,  and question their sources? If you didn't take it for granted, then why reply?

I mean its no different to you coming on here and rambling on how much insight you have into Paddy McCartin because you apparently you know the family well..

Up to the individual whether theu want to believe or not. Don't think they need to be criticised for it though DD.

Edited October 1, 20205 yr by dazzledavey36

How the hell are clubs supposed to get their [censored] done with out knowing lost sizes.....blows my mind

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

But yet you still find the need to reply,  and question their sources? If you didn't take it for granted, then why reply?

I mean its no different to you coming on here and rambling on how much insight you have into Paddy McCartin because you apparently you know the family well.. 

If I took it for granted I wouldn't ask the question in the first place, I would just accept it.

Yeah I do know the family well, I have stated that before in some of the posts.

39 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

But yet you still find the need to reply,  and question their sources? If you didn't take it for granted, then why reply?

I mean its no different to you coming on here and rambling on how much insight you have into Paddy McCartin because you apparently you know the family well..

Up to the individual whether theu want to believe or not. Don't think they need to be criticised for it though DD.

Dont worry DD some  do it all the time a serial offender

it's a forum and any information is valuable and relevant  some  are trigger happy

I love to read sourced material on here as it puts topics in context

 

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Looks like you're on the money here.

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2020-jack-viney-geelong-isaac-smith-melbourne-demons-updates-tom-morris/news-story/c3e09490ae2a954c0fdf3f4b07201787?__twitter_impression=true

Meanwhile, Geelong has not been officially notified but senses Jack Viney will re-sign at Melbourne on a long-term deal.

Demons insiders are now supremely confident the hard-nosed midfielder will remain as negotiations continue between his agent Tom Petroro and the club.

It’s understood Viney’s preference is to stay and Melbourne has raised its offer since initial

 

That's interesting considering we've been told he's signed a four year or five year deal already.

I don't really think he was ever going to leave, though.  I can understand his frustration at losing the captaincy, but he doesn't strike me as the type of bloke who would run off at the first sign of a challenge.

Four(?) years for Jack and another year for Jones....

I suppose it makes sense but I think both are a year too long.

When list sizes are reduced and salary caps are tight few players if any  IMO should get more than three years

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Four(?) years for Jack and another year for Jones....

I suppose it makes sense but I think both are a year too long.

When list sizes are reduced and salary caps are tight few players if any  IMO should get more than three years

Not quite sure how Jones managed that

On SEN about an hour ago:

The original offer for Viney was too low for the player and the counter offer to the club was too high.

Subsequent negotiations have arrived at an acceptable figure for both parties but they are waiting on cap sizes to be ratified by the AFL.

in further news Isaac Smith has expressed strong interest in the Dees’ offer and is weighing up his options 

 

On 9/28/2020 at 9:23 PM, bingers said:

Wow ... there seem to be 2 camps.

One of my colleagues was in Jack's year level at Carey. Her comment was that he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Which is perhaps consistent with the comments that he's difficult to coach.

His attempts to barge through tackles look totally clueless. He invariably gets caught. (A bit like Jonesy before he stopped doing it ... after about 10 seasons !!)

And his refusal to kick on his right foot when that is clearly the best option hurt the side. 

Actually there are 3 camps.I'm kinda in the middle. Don't really mind if he stays or goes. 

couldn't be too much dimmer than gawn. personally i reckon viney is a pretty nice guy, despite his footy persona. dare i say it, a sensitive new age guy..

15 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Not quite sure how Jones managed that

The suggestion is a playing coach type role. Sounds like a contrived attempt to get him to 300.

In normal circumstances I can see the emotional merit but unfortunately not now.

1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The suggestion is a playing coach type role. Sounds like a contrived attempt to get him to 300.

In normal circumstances I can see the emotional merit but unfortunately not now.

He is not a coaches [censored]

He has already coached bad habits into  ten years of teams

He should go gracefully