CHANGES: Rd 02 vs Carlton

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14 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

yeah I guess it just come down to how each person sees it. I don't have anything against OMac and I don't want him to fail either. I just feel we could be a little more dynamic for lack of a better word.

i think people can sometimes over rate how dangerous some tall forwards actually are in the modern game, with pressure on the ball carrier going through the roof and with the defensive systems used in the modern game. 

not many teams have 3 good tall forwards. last year only about 10 of them managed to average 2 goals or more a game. and on the other end of the scale some of those are more of a second ruckman than a forward and don't really pose that much of a threat in my eyes. should we be paying those guys respect, or should we be trying to exploit them. its a fine line.

i will admit that using Hibberd probably wasn't the best example, but I was trying to show a different way of thinking and how a mismatch of a smaller defender can actually work in your favour, especially in a zone defence, but i'm sure you got that picture.

anyway we'll see how it all unfolds during the season as I reckon the coaches have made their minds up in regards to playing OMac and they'll stick with it for the now. hopefully we win plenty of games, us MFC fans need it!

Interesting you use the word "Dynamic" Is a fit Joel Smith the answer??

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13 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

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Good side on paper. Hope Jetta and Hibberd can find form in the backine. Not their last chance but need to get some confidence back May and Lever must earn their keep. Get Fritta and Weed leading. Mids work hard and kick to in front of the forwards. Max and Viney to lead the way.

Just our luck for Eddie Betts to go "Ballistic"

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Hannan is a definite in for me. Would Vanders and/or Bennell be good to go? Have watched the 2018 finals v Geelong and Hawthorn in the last week and Hannan and Vanders are so important to the structure.

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2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Interesting you use the word "Dynamic" Is a fit Joel Smith the answer??

in theory i'd say yes. he's 6'3 and is fast and athletic which means he could probably play on a bigger types, plus smaller types as well which would definitely come in handy every week. but in reality he still has to prove he can actually play the game well enough and stay fit. 

 

[Gilmore 1]

Lockhart  May Smith

Harmes Lever Bennell

Langdon Viney Tomlinson

Melksham Vandenberg Petracca

Ftitsch  McDonald Pickett

Gawn Oliver Bradshaw

Hannah Weideman Jackson Jones

[jnrmac 20,104]

Well the good news its nearly June and we are only 1 game from top place.....

[dl4e 5,851]

There are 2 certainties in life.

1. OMAC plays round 2.

2. ANB plays round 2.

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12 minutes ago, dl4e said:

There are 2 certainties in life.

1. OMAC plays round 2.

2. ANB plays round 2.

3. 1 and 2 causes much consternation on Demonland

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18 minutes ago, binman said:

3. 1 and 2 causes much consternation on Demonland

I know.

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1 hour ago, dl4e said:

There are 2 certainties in life.

1. OMAC plays round 2.

2. ANB plays round 2.

O.Mac was good last time while ANB was poor far from a certainty.

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The extra interchange will help out Bennell, not how far away Vanders is but it would help him too.

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1 hour ago, dl4e said:

There are 2 certainties in life.

1. OMAC plays round 2.

2. ANB plays round 2.

In that case there is one certainty in life.. we cannot win a flag without one or the other missing out! 

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On 5/26/2020 at 3:45 AM, Lord Travis said:

Assuming no injuries to the following players, I'd go with this line up. 

B:  Jetta  May  Lockhart

HB:  Salem  OMac  Lever

?Langdon Oliver Tomlinson

HF:  Melksham  TMac  Petracca

Fwd:  Pickett  Weideman  Fritsch

Mid:  Gawn Brayshaw Viney

Int: Harmes Jones Petty Hannan

 

LT, I like the team and the explanation  notes. There is talk of the interchange being expended by 1 or 2. If it was expanded by two I would seriously consider giving Bennell a spot if fit. It would be a good way of giving him a run with limited game time.

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1 hour ago, picket fence said:

In that case there is one certainty in life.. we cannot win a flag without one or the other missing out! 

ANB won't play he's been dropped before and he will be dropped again. There are 26 players in front of him IMO and that's depending on how Bennell and Vanders are tracking. OMac is Goody's pet but even knowing that he deserves his spot with the job he did on Darling.

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22 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: SALEM, O.MCDONALD, HIBBERD

C : LANGDON, PETRACCA, TOMLINSON

HF: PICKETT, T.MCDONALD, JONES

F: MELKSHAM, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

IC: HARMES, BRAYSHAW, LOCKHART, PETTY

EMERG: BEDFORD, HANNAN, NEAL-BULLEN, SMITH

With Stevens ruling Bennell out that's good enough for me. Petty comes in as the 3rd tall as he could do some damage with T.Mac who has a good record against the Blues. Lockhart breathing down Hibberd's neck if he doesn't perform soon he could be replaced.

 

CARLTON

B: DOCHERTY, JONES, PLOWMAN

HB: SIMPSON, MARCHBANK, WEITERING

C : MURPHY, CRIPPS, NEWNES

HF: MARTIN, MCKAY, DOW

F: BETTS, MCGOVERN, GIBBONS

FOLL: PITTONET, WALSH, E.CURNOW

IC: NEWMAN, PETREVSKI-SETON, KENNEDY, CASBOULT

 

I hate saying this but I have to agree with you. It will be very interesting when AVB and Bennell become available.

As a footnote; Mrs W is very keen to get Mitch H back in the side. That would make 3 forwards looking for a spot. Admittedly AVB and Bennell can play through the guts. The more I think about this I'm starting to wonder if O Mac gets left out for anything but match up  reasons. Goodie may have what he and Roos always wanted, lots of midfield beasts. If pretty much everyone is fit we will still need a defense but the game should be played predominately in our 2 thirds

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FB: Plowman Jones Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering SPS
C Walsh Murphy Simpson
HF: Dow McGovern (191cm) Martin
FF: Silvagni McKay (204cm) Betts

R: Casboult (201cm) Cripps Curnow
IC: Gibbons Setterfield Fisher De Konning (203cm)

 

Likely CFC team according to Talking Carlton. Not that tall in the fwd line. De Koenig played 2 games in 2018, that's it. May and Lever have it covered. We were cut up by West Coasts smalls in rd 1 so I doubt we go too big.

 

 

 

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de koning was injured at training earlier in the week and won't be playing 

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17 hours ago, CHF said:

LT, I like the team and the explanation  notes. There is talk of the interchange being expended by 1 or 2. If it was expanded by two I would seriously consider giving Bennell a spot if fit. It would be a good way of giving him a run with limited game time.

Reckon if bench numbers are increased he plays. Still two and a half weeks till the game, he might play anyway. 

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OK clearly the coach is keen on having small forwards, but I just hope that he realises that in hindsight, he took it a step too far with five small forwards against West Coast and that he can play Jackson as a mobile tall, who has the speed to pressure like Spargo or Bedford anyway and one who can also provide a down the line outlet we so sadly missed in Rd 1. Not to mention he can give Gawny a chop out if needed and means that if we lose a tall through injury, it is not game over.

Clearly with shorter games, the pace will be intensified this season and as a result playing three tall backs as we did against WC and most sides is not a realistic option. Many of you have commented that Lever is better as the peel off intercept man, but I'm afraid as he's got older (and stronger) he is now better suited to play on a big. Hence if you are setting up a defence it is May and Lever as talls backed by a quick intercept tall which is Smith at this stage, but already there are promising signs that Rivers will be ready for that role as well soon. O.Mac should only be in the side when one of May or Lever is out injured.

So with the above logic in mind, here's my 22 with the back-ups waiting in the wings in brackets. I have ruled out Bennell and VDB, but clearly they will come into the equation soon. I just hope they wait maybe until Rd 3 or 4 and don't rush them.

Defenders (7): May, Lever, Smith, Hibberd, Salem, Jetta, Harmes - Emerg: Lockhart (very, very stiff), Rivers and O.Mac

Mids (8): Gawn, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Petracca, Tomlinson, Langdon, Jones - Emerg: Dunkley, Sparrow and Preuss

Fwds (7): Fritsch, T.Mac, Melky, Jackson, Pickett, ANB, Weid - Emerg: Bedford, Hannan, Spargo, Petty, Brown

[Laughing Goat 308]

Backline a worry for me......got exposed in round 1 

 

Jetta May Salem

Smith Lever Hibberd

Langdon Oliver Harmes

Melksham Tmac Petracca

ANB  Weideman Fritsch

Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I/C: Tomlinson, Pickett, Lockhart & Bedford

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48 minutes ago, Laughing Goat said:

Backline a worry for me......got exposed in round 1 

 

Jetta May Salem

Smith Lever Hibberd

Langdon Oliver Harmes

Melksham Tmac Petracca

ANB  Weideman Fritsch

Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I/C: Tomlinson, Pickett, Lockhart & Bedford

They scored 78 points.

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On 5/25/2020 at 11:01 AM, Damo said:

If Jackson were to play, who would he come in for? A tall forward, a midfielder? A medium forward?

Not bad for a player of Jackson's size to come in and is able to play in a number of positions as mentioned.

I am sure he is in contention. It won't be a shock if he is picked. 

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13 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

de koning was injured at training earlier in the week and won't be playing 

Pittonet will take his place.

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14 hours ago, jnrmac said:

FB: Plowman Jones Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering SPS
C Walsh Murphy Simpson
HF: Dow McGovern (191cm) Martin
FF: Silvagni McKay (204cm) Betts

R: Casboult (201cm) Cripps Curnow
IC: Gibbons Setterfield Fisher De Konning (203cm)

 

Likely CFC team according to Talking Carlton. Not that tall in the fwd line. De Koenig played 2 games in 2018, that's it. May and Lever have it covered. We were cut up by West Coasts smalls in rd 1 so I doubt we go too big.

 

 

 

I thought Newnes would get a game.

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8 hours ago, Laughing Goat said:

Backline a worry for me......got exposed in round 1 

Did they? They scored 78 points and we held one of the premier FF to 0 goals, 0 behinds and 2 kicks and 2 handballs. We mainly got scored on rebounds and turnovers (unfortunately reminiscent of 2019).

The forward line (and the lack of cohesion with the midfield) was the big worry for me, as that was a major issue last year and we made the same mistakes.