On 5/16/2020 at 11:12 PM, rjay said:

Whilst not a great Molony fan I think the reason they put him up for trade is they had plenty of his type of player.

They needed Ottens, as they do again need an Ottens type.

I don't think it had anything to do with wanting Moloney out.

Yep, they chose between Chapman, Bartel and Moloney.
You know the rest.

2 hours ago, poita said:

The criticism of McLean regarding the tanking issue is just absurd. Similar to the Tayla Harris "useless" fiasco, I don't know why we assume that everyone who has a camera stuck in their face is going to eloquently respond to whatever question is thrown at them. They are not media professionals, they are sportspeople.

I don't believe Brock set out to dump the club in the [censored], but clearly he had lingering resentment around his time there, which came out under pressure. Fair enough too - it was bad enough to watch our performances in that time, let alone be part of it. Thankfully that was one of the catalysts to bring in the likes of Roos and Jackson who started to bring us back towards being relevant again.

The way Brock squandered his talent and ultimately his career was a major disappointment, and something that will stay with him for a long time. I rate him as arguably the biggest talent alongside Jones and Thompson that we drafted in that decade, but clearly he didn't have  the commitment of the other two. I hope he can continue to bring his issues under control and make something of his life outside football.

As an aside, who would people rather we drafted than Sylvia and McLean out of that appalling draft crop? Other than Cooney who probably came with his own set of issues, only David Mundy at 19 could be considered an elite player from the top 20.

McLean went from the MFC to Carltank, that gave him very little rights to Dump on the Club on live TV ? 

I remember McLeans first public appearance soon after getting drafted. He was on the Footy Show. Newman was being his usual irritating best until McLean said to Newman something to the effect of, You always ran away from my Uncle Ricky"  not that I would blame him for that. However it showed a cockiness that I noted. That sort of confidence needs to be  noted and monitored by a Club and then expressed in a positive way with boundaries imposed on it. I think too many Clubs have personal who know how to give a footy or make a spoil but not enough people who understand young people.  

4 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

To be fair Demetriou wasn't interested in turning over the Melbourne tanking rock either.
Mclean shot his mouth off and thenthe  media got selective amnesia and relentlessly ran with it till they got what they wanted.

Demetriou knew full well what was going on and was not going to investigate any club. That's why he ridiculed Libba senior when he admitted that Carlton were tanking.

He was in London for the Olympics when Brock walked into a 3 card monte and fessed up on TV, and Adrian Anderson, who up til then had been sent out for a large round of coffees every time integrity issues were raised in meetings, was shocked to his core and instigated an investigation. Thanks Adrian. If only you had shown such integrity years earlier, things might not have come to pass as they did. The one time the AFL showed an uncompromising commitment to rooting out skulduggery, and the wheel of death came up on "MFC". Thanks Adrian.

Ironically that act of purity cost him his job. AFL management is not for the innocent or the fainthearted.

Demetriou, on his return, had to gall to fine us for NOT tanking, and not because he was looking after us, but because he knew (don't turn over rocks) that the whole comp was in big big trouble if it was found to be corrupt, ie, tanking occurred.

5 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Yep, they chose between Chapman, Bartel and Moloney.

My memory is that we asked for Bartel but Geelong wisely wouldn't let him go.  Moloney wasn't our first choice.

Anyone around his age who went out in Melbourne CBD when McLean was both at Melbourne and Carlton, could tell you that he wasn't an angel. I used to see him out quite often while I was out with my friends. He was always off his face, but friendly and happy to chat.

You definitely wouldn't guess he was battling depression or an eating disorder behind closed doors, but I suppose this is why people use drugs and alcohol. It helps to mask the things we rather not talk about. 

The biggest tragedy here is that we got pick bloody 9 for him (a steal!) and then immediately proceeded to [censored] it up. 

36 minutes ago, demonstone said:

My memory is that we asked for Bartel but Geelong wisely wouldn't let him go.  Moloney wasn't our first choice.

thats how i remember it going down too.

Gysberts - lol

Bottom line with McLean, Sylvia, Moloney all party boys with poor culture within the club @ the time . Strong successful footy clubs with strong culture can pull players into line & weed out the ones who don’t conform . It may not have changed McLeans behaviour but just don’t know. Good on McLean for calling out the tanking at the time as it just reinforce. How much of a basket case the club had become! 

12 hours ago, Hogan2014 said:

Bottom line with McLean, Sylvia, Moloney all party boys with poor culture within the club @ the time . Strong successful footy clubs with strong culture can pull players into line & weed out the ones who don’t conform . It may not have changed McLeans behaviour but just don’t know. Good on McLean for calling out the tanking at the time as it just reinforce. How much of a basket case the club had become! 

But he went to Carltank...

he can go F himself 

I find it all pretty shameful and sad. Brock is a walking contradiction though, says he hates when Dean Bailey's name gets dragged through teh mud and gets brought up all teh time and feels sorry for his family, yet goes and does another tell all? Also lambasts Melbourne for tanking and rightly so,  but then gets on his high moral horse and goes to Carlton.. the only difference is we got caught, Cartlon  are one of the most morally corrupt clubs in the league, have been for 40 years.

All of it is just a mess, hope Brock finds some happiness and everyone can move on from a dark time in this clubs history.

 

I can forgive the past.

But I can't forgive the ear rings.

On 5/15/2020 at 6:26 PM, Demonland said:

As a general rule we don’t allow the full posting of others content. 

 Here is a short synopsis from Fox Footy’s website. 

Ex-AFL player reveals he was sacked inside a strip club

So why post the link in the first place ???   Drrrrrrrrrrrr

On 5/16/2020 at 5:28 PM, daisycutter said:

yep, know that. anymore questions?

who was the player few years ago who said drug use was rife and got pilloried from all angles by the afl, clubs and the sports media?

Dale Lewis - he's been ostracised from the AFL and AFL media ever since

On 5/17/2020 at 2:30 PM, layzie said:

One of the more strange and weird articles I've seen recently. Firstly I'm sorry to hear about his struggle and hopefully he's finally on the up. No-one deserves to feel worthless.

Things have never quite added up when it came to Brock and his football career. Great in and under on baller, good vision to make up for his lack of pace. Was part of the future identity of our club going forward and putting 10k of his own money to our cause led by Jimmy highlighted his then love for the club. He then leaves, urinates on his former club on live tv and then goes on a trail of erratic behavoir attacking trolls on Twitter and losing the plot in games. After he left Melbourne I never heard him say a nice thing about the club again. Not saying he didn't have good reason to but it's very sad when this wasn't just any MFC player. 

In 2016 I was coming back from Bright after the annual Brighter Days festival and saw him at the Euroa servo with a crew of biker types, probsbly means nothing but it does explain a bit about the company he was keeping around the time of his lowest of lows. 

Don't have much else to say about it really, just these observations. The photo was disturbing. Nothing wrong with his image but when paired with this article it wreaks of identity crisis. 

I mean his family has a bit of a reputation for associating with colourful characters

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I mean his family has a bit of a reputation for associating with colourful characters

Do you know his family?

6 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Do you know his family?

No but its been well documented by Mclean in the past that his family were close friends with the Morans back in the peak of when all that chaos was happening in Melbourne.

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No but its been well documented by Mclean in the past that his family were close friends with the Morans back in the peak of when all that chaos was happening in Melbourne.

I happen to know the family, the only colourful  character that they knew was a close friend of mine who didn't really have a problem with the law but knew just about every person involved in that "world" due to the area we were brought up in and his long involvement in another sport that attracts people from all different walks of life.

5 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I happen to know the family, the only colourful  character that they knew was a close friend of mine who didn't really have a problem with the law but knew just about every person involved in that "world" due to the area we were brought up in and his long involvement in another sport that attracts people from all different walks of life.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/how-aussie-football-stars-have-been-sucked-into-having-gangland-connections/news-story/eb60be633a19f235b5b327ba83309ca4
 

“Carlton midfielder Brock McLean has never been backward in airing his feelings and beliefs and he did so when Des "Tuppence" Moran, whom he was close to was also gunned down.

Then playing for Melbourne, McLean took the field wearing a black armband to honour the slain underworld figure.

News_Image_File: McLean said he'd known Moran since childhood. Picture: File.

Melbourne was unaware that McLean would choose to honour the last of the Moran men to die, but said it was up to the individual in such circumstances.

McLean said he had known Moran from childhood as he was a close friend of his uncle, former Richmond and Carlton footballer Ricky McLean.

He said he had shared a beer with him three weeks before his death.

"I didn't look at him as an underworld figure. We called him Fred Tuppence and he was just a fantastic bloke. When I got the phone call from Dad on Monday, it was a huge shock."

 

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/how-aussie-football-stars-have-been-sucked-into-having-gangland-connections/news-story/eb60be633a19f235b5b327ba83309ca4
 

“Carlton midfielder Brock McLean has never been backward in airing his feelings and beliefs and he did so when Des "Tuppence" Moran, whom he was close to was also gunned down.

Then playing for Melbourne, McLean took the field wearing a black armband to honour the slain underworld figure.

News_Image_File: McLean said he'd known Moran since childhood. Picture: File.

Melbourne was unaware that McLean would choose to honour the last of the Moran men to die, but said it was up to the individual in such circumstances.

McLean said he had known Moran from childhood as he was a close friend of his uncle, former Richmond and Carlton footballer Ricky McLean.

He said he had shared a beer with him three weeks before his death.

"I didn't look at him as an underworld figure. We called him Fred Tuppence and he was just a fantastic bloke. When I got the phone call from Dad on Monday, it was a huge shock."

 

Brock had a tendency to exaggerate, his father Mick met Tuppence through my mate when Brock was in his early teens.