On 13/03/2020 at 13:44, ding said:

Im booked to fly to Thailand on April 6. Checked the Thai Airways website tonight and see the same flight from Melbourne one week earlier has been cancelled already.

Havent seen my wife for 10 months by the time my holiday comes around, so i am a bit on edge about flights being cancelled before i go. If i cant go now it will be another 6 months before i can get holidays again. Maybe more. Too late to reschedule my leave, so it just goes up in smoke if i cant fly.

Footy being cancelled would be a kick in the guts, but i am more concerned with seeing Angkana this year.

Whats the feeling in Thailand atm?

Ding is drinking again.

Sad.

Massive chance to win this round 1 game now. 
#thankscorona

I guess this thread will now be a general coronavirus and other sports thread.

You can discuss AFL & Dees Related COVID-19 stuff here: ROUND 1 GAMES TO BE PLAYED WITHOUT CROWD

Please try to refrain from being too political and please refrain from abuse. 

Oh and wash your [censored] hands.

 

  On 13/03/2020 at 06:48, dieter said:

I speak from bitter experience about the nature of 'factual evidence' when presented from the armchairs of people who smugly point the fingers at the misdeeds of 'others', especially if at some time in recent  history the 'others' have been the subject of our white supremacist superiority complexes, E.G. the White Australian Policy, Two Wongs don't make a white, Made in China therefore inferior, etc etc.

There is much misinformation about this virus already which has lead to the toilet paper hoarding pandemic, and, more than anything, absolutely nobody is totally sure about where this virus originates. That it broke out in Wuhan seems to be true. We know hardly anything else for sure which hasn't stopped certain members on this site telling us that it's because people in that region eat the heads off frogs, that they eat live bats etc etc etc. We live in a strange country in strange times. We live in a country where Credlin and Bolt and The Australian tell us that the horrendous bush fires were started by arsonists,  that they had nothing to do with climate change,  we live in a country where a member of Parliament tells her constituents and anyone who listens that men don't commit domestic violence, that it's all made up to deprive poor fathers of the custody of their children, we live in a country where an ex Prime Minister won't 'resile' from invading Iraq based on totally fictitious lies and propaganda. 

So call me a 'conspiracy theorist' if that is your wonton, I don't care. All I know for sure is that the media constantly lies to us, as does our Prime Minister. I also believe - because I try to use my brain - that most of the stuff we 'know' about Russia and China is bulldust.

Furthermore, mention has been made of the way the Chinese treat their animals. Wow, this comes from the inhabitants of a country where the way sheep, cattle and horses have been treated in the Live Export saga should hang their bloody heads in shame rather than pointing at the finger at the way other countries treat their animals. 

I also add that China is a country of billions of people. That they have managed to stay pandemic free for so long ought to be lauded.

 

  On 13/03/2020 at 08:34, dieter said:

Interesting twist of syntax there, not to mention completely misinterpreting what I wrote.

FFS indeed.

Content analysis time! Looking at your post which I responded to -

Paragraph 1 - "Look at all that white supremecisting going on over there!"

Paragraph 2 - "Andrew Bolt!  Peta Credlin!  The Australian! Arsonists! Victim blaming! Iraq War!" (You also throw baseless, dare I say it, conspiracy theory level, 'doubt' on the 'wet market' origin of the virus transmission which is the only origin considered to have any credibility by any experts, and is based on a mountain of both epidemiological research and the specific case pattern of this outbreak, and is a consensus shared even the by the Chinese experts who are presumably not in the white supremacist propaganda industry)

Paragraph 3 - The media lies.  The Prime Minister lies.  Unlike all of you I have a brain and don't believe their giant conspiracy. Bad stuff about Russia and China is made up.

Paragraph 4 - The live export trade exists therefore we are the worst!

Paragraph 5 - There are, like, heaps of Chinese people.  Like, totes heaps.

 

So, I don't think I was twisting anything, just summarising.  You've made no statements except 'There are people who are awful, therefore I can believe or not, whatever I like, and just run with whatever I feel like'.

And that's all fine until you start flailing around demanding that everyone else pretend that obvious realities are actually just the evil bigotry conspiracy going on.

Hell, I'd hate to hear your opinion on Iran at the moment.  Presumably the world's concerns of a massive cover-up and failure to act effectively are just Islamophobia and an international conspiracy to discredit enemies of America? Because that's the line the Iranian government is peddling, so you may want to consider whether or not you want to help that along.  And at this point it is fair to say that every extra minute they even try to keep that story up costs an additional life, and more. Which minute do you want to take credit for?

  On 14/03/2020 at 04:23, sue said:

Sorry, the problem is too many young people. Us oldies will die pretty soon one way or the other.  Young people keep having babies.  The world's population isn't rising because of old people. 

A nanny state reminds me of Churchill's remark about democracy. Not perfect but better ....

Living too long is not good for resources, healthy young people will not die from cov19,  doctors are trying to play god, they want no one to die, but they must.

  On 14/03/2020 at 04:53, don't make me angry said:

Living too long is not good for resources, healthy young people will not die from cov19,  doctors are trying to play god, they want no one to die, but they must.

Just for that Angry I'm going to live another 20 years.

  On 14/03/2020 at 01:08, Little Goffy said:

 

Content analysis time! Looking at your post which I responded to -

Paragraph 1 - "Look at all that white supremecisting going on over there!"

Paragraph 2 - "Andrew Bolt!  Peta Credlin!  The Australian! Arsonists! Victim blaming! Iraq War!" (You also throw baseless, dare I say it, conspiracy theory level, 'doubt' on the 'wet market' origin of the virus transmission which is the only origin considered to have any credibility by any experts, and is based on a mountain of both epidemiological research and the specific case pattern of this outbreak, and is a consensus shared even the by the Chinese experts who are presumably not in the white supremacist propaganda industry)

Paragraph 3 - The media lies.  The Prime Minister lies.  Unlike all of you I have a brain and don't believe their giant conspiracy. Bad stuff about Russia and China is made up.

Paragraph 4 - The live export trade exists therefore we are the worst!

Paragraph 5 - There are, like, heaps of Chinese people.  Like, totes heaps.

 

So, I don't think I was twisting anything, just summarising.  You've made no statements except 'There are people who are awful, therefore I can believe or not, whatever I like, and just run with whatever I feel like'.

And that's all fine until you start flailing around demanding that everyone else pretend that obvious realities are actually just the evil bigotry conspiracy going on.

Hell, I'd hate to hear your opinion on Iran at the moment.  Presumably the world's concerns of a massive cover-up and failure to act effectively are just Islamophobia and an international conspiracy to discredit enemies of America? Because that's the line the Iranian government is peddling, so you may want to consider whether or not you want to help that along.  And at this point it is fair to say that every extra minute they even try to keep that story up costs an additional life, and more. Which minute do you want to take credit for?

You are a perfect example of the type of person I wrote about. Have a good life.

  On 14/03/2020 at 04:53, don't make me angry said:

Living too long is not good for resources, healthy young people will not die from cov19,  doctors are trying to play god, they want no one to die, but they must.

You'd doubtless want no doctor to try to play god when you are seriously ill.    The dairy must have been on strike when your issue of the milk of human kindness was due.

  On 14/03/2020 at 04:53, don't make me angry said:

Living too long is not good for resources, healthy young people will not die from cov19,  doctors are trying to play god, they want no one to die, but they must.

 

  On 14/03/2020 at 05:42, sue said:

You'd doubtless want no doctor to try to play god when you are seriously ill.    The dairy must have been on strike when your issue of the milk of human kindness was due.

The conundrum of global over-population, who to cull and what mechanism (if any) is fair and reasonable. As I've said before, the stupidity of social media comments made could be one criteria? Appreciating that this very post could be placing my life in grave danger!

 

  On 14/03/2020 at 06:05, TRIGON said:

The conundrum of global over-population, who to cull and what mechanism (if any) is fair and reasonable. As I've said before, the stupidity of social media comments made could be one criteria? Appreciating that this very post could be placing my life in grave danger!

Does insinuating a Hitler-style 'Final Solution' as a means of global population control count as a stupid social media comment?

(Not that global over-population isn't an issue worth discussing, but that's pretty dark dude).

  On 14/03/2020 at 04:09, don't make me angry said:

At this rate the season will be cancelled, so no positive from rating, the virus will hit it's peek in April, and all the nanny's will be protecting the little children everyone, the whole world is a nanny state, people will die, so what happens everyday, and the world is overcrowded, nurture is trying to restore the balance. Bring it on too many old people are in the world.

Just ask the government that complain all the time about the ageing population.

I agree with much of what you say.  But you really are bordering on total pessimism, 'dmma'.   Get a grip of your fears old boy.  Don't let them run you,  nor ruin you.

 

In fishing,   the old rule was always let the little fish go and keep to eat,  or to brag/stuff, the big ones.  That was all rrse about.  

The same in the logging fields,  taking the biggest trees,  and today,  with clear-felling,  taking everything in the allotted area.  Its all wrong.!!

 

You leave the bigger ones alone,  to live on,  Fish/Trees.   These are the genetically superior breeders,  the organisms that have the best sets of genes,  that have stood the test of Our Past times and environmental conditions,  to be the strongest/healthiest.

These are the Future,  the species to carry on with life;  and we come in with chainsaws or the biggest nets and ships,  and machinery;  to chew them all up,  and destroy anything before them.

 

Its us that has had it all the wrong way around__    Exploitation has virtually killed off Creating.

I think your right, in that nature or life,  will/is fighting back.  But this might be unpalatable to many westerners, nay humans.  you know_  Que sera sera.

It's almost out of OUR hands.

Edited March 14, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

 

  On 14/03/2020 at 06:51, MyFavouriteMartian said:

I agree with much of what you say.  But you really are bordering on total pessimism, 'dmma'.   Get a grip of your fears old boy.  Don't let them run you,  nor ruin you.

 

In fishing,   the old rule was always let the little fish go and keep to eat,  or to brag/stuff, the big ones.  That was all rrse about.  

The same in the logging fields,  taking the biggest trees,  and today,  with clear-felling,  taking everything in the allotted area.  Its all wrong.!!

 

You leave the bigger ones alone,  to live on,  Fish/Trees.   These are the genetically superior breeders,  the organisms that have the best sets of genes,  that have stood the test of Our Past times and environmental conditions,  to be the strongest/healthiest.

These are the Future,  the species to carry on with life;  and we come in with chainsaws or the biggest nets and ships,  and machinery;  to chew them all up,  and destroy anything before them.

 

Its us that has had it all the wrong way around__    Exploitation has virtually killed off Creating.

I think your right, in that nature or life,  will/is fighting back.  But this might be unpalatable to many westerners, nay humans.  you know_  Que sera sera.

It's almost out of OUR hands.

I think they made a bad film on the nature fighting back called “The happening”.   

Other post: World birth rates have massively dropped across the world including in “third” world countries and is stabilising.  Population is increasing as people are living longer, and being able to live longer I think is important to all of us.  It’s been 100 years since the last pandemic so we were overdue, however, that does not mean we don’t use the most resources we have to save peoples lives because those people all have family. And people that care/love for them. To view otherwise displays a lack of empathy and basic humanity.  People often have those views until it affects them directly or their family.  

 

  On 14/03/2020 at 07:11, Darkhorse72 said:

I think they made a bad film on the nature fighting back called “The happening”.   

Other post: World birth rates have massively dropped across the world including in “third” world countries and is stabilising.  Population is increasing as people are living longer, and being able to live longer I think is important to all of us.  It’s been 100 years since the last pandemic so we were overdue, however, that does not mean we don’t use the most resources we have to save peoples lives because those people all have family. And people that care/love for them. To view otherwise displays a lack of empathy and basic humanity.  People often have those views until it affects them directly or their family.  

Well I'm ready to go... to leave this mortal coil,  whenever it comes my way.  Have been like this for some years now.  I do not fear  'leaving'  any longer,  but grew up with the fear of death.

Tis just a fear is all.

Anytime the creator wants me,  or wants me gone,  I'm as ready as can be. 

 

Now empathy,   I have too much empathy,   its one of my unbalanced areas. 

But my empathy is not for the infants,  nor the children,  nor for just mothers...  but for life of all ages and al forms.   It is not restricted to a selfish point,  of just for Human forms.  But for nature in all its forms,  and balance.

 

I feel sorry for you, that you are stuck with such a narrow viewpoint of your emotions,  and your restricted empathy.

Edited March 14, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

20,000 Telstra staff working from home.

  On 14/03/2020 at 08:02, Cards13 said:

20,000 Telstra staff working from home.

the one's in bangladesh?

  On 14/03/2020 at 08:05, Engorged Onion said:

the one's in bangladesh?

Manila

  On 14/03/2020 at 06:37, Accepting Mediocrity said:

 

Does insinuating a Hitler-style 'Final Solution' as a means of global population control count as a stupid social media comment?

(Not that global over-population isn't an issue worth discussing, but that's pretty dark dude).

My sense of humour can be dark @Accepting Mediocrity. It doesn't extend to the holocaust. Will however poke fun at social media any day of the week; including the irony being on a form of social media to do so.

  On 14/03/2020 at 08:29, Cards13 said:

Manila

thanks for the clarity...

You'd have to think Super Rugby and NRL seasons are cooked with NZ border controls now 

Think NRL can keep going with Warriors staying in Sydney or Brisbane.

  On 14/03/2020 at 04:53, don't make me angry said:

Living too long is not good for resources, healthy young people will not die from cov19,  doctors are trying to play god, they want no one to die, but they must.

Probably the most foolish post I've ever seen on this forum...

  On 14/03/2020 at 09:37, Clintosaurus said:

Think NRL can keep going with Warriors staying in Sydney or Brisbane.

Hahaha I like the lateral thinking but I’m sure the players/coaches/staff would say no that, to be shacked up in hotels in Aussie while family are still in NZ.