Very happy with the idea of LJ over Young.

Taylor has more minerals than me if he takes this bloke at 3. Did I read Billy Longer was the last Ruckman to be taken inside top 10? All I will say 

We need guys that can kick. And then after that we need guys that can kick. Preferably left footers. 

  On 15/11/2019 at 06:09, Carn dees said:

 I'm not buying it, surely where not actually considering taking a prospective ruckman/forward.... 

Does not make sense at all.

I saw Jackson live and I don’t see him being pick 3. That’s a speculative punt. 

He is an athlete.  Basketball aerobic movement.  No doubt.
But he is very raw still. Skills are lacking.  Tumbles the footy.  Needs at least 3 years development as athleticism alone at AFL level is not enough.  I know you can’t dismiss someone from interstate, but our record of holding stars from interstate is not great.  
 

so who would I pick? Hayden Young has the skills, footy smarts and aerial skills to warrant pick 3. His delivery is absolutely needed. He would be our best kick from his first game. I would grab him in a heartbeat at 3. 

  On 15/11/2019 at 10:35, Caligula's cohort said:

Great... then we get two top ten draft picks in a few years time... happy with that. 

Not if Freo are on the bottom or close to it. With Bell negotiating that could be an outcome where you get nothing, like Martin this year.

This is from Mark Seaby who is his ruck coach.

“I had the privilege of working with (Western Bulldog) Tim English as well.

“Tim at the same stage was probably a bit more of an all-rounded footballer because he’d been playing for longer, but Luke’s probably got greater physical attributes than Tim at this stage.

“He’s probably got the greatest potential that I’ve seen come through, in terms of where he’s at now and what he can achieve in the future.

“He’s got similar traits to those ruckmen that act almost like an extra midfielder at stoppages.

Peter Sumich who last year said that that Sydney Stack was the most talented WA kid in the draft also had huge wraps on him when I listen to him on the radio few weeks ago.

I will trust the judgements of these guys that have worked and seen first hand how they operate rather couple of rando's on the internet.

 

  On 15/11/2019 at 08:01, dazzledavey36 said:

Because they haven't seen him properly play. He's a right footer, but he also uses his left foot to get himself out of trouble around stoppage. He is a whole different breed of a ruckman. 

His upside is scary.

From what i saw in the Nats he didn't play forward nor did i see him kick a goal or take a grab there other than around the arc drifting forward maybe on a rare occasion. 

If he doesn't offer a genuine forward goal kicking option or isn't likey to then why would we want a third ruckman on the list with pick 3 or 8 (which LH has highlighted, technically includes our first rounder from 2020)?  Makes no sense for mine.

So we are happy to push Big M out of the ruck and start blooding this fella in the next few years?  Where does Maxy go if that is the case?  Certainly not a genuine tall goal kicking forward option either and hit out talents would be wasted if he spent most of his time forward.

  On 15/11/2019 at 12:46, dazzledavey36 said:

This is from Mark Seaby who is his ruck coach.

“

 

Oh great, another unbiased opinion.

I'll stick with the randos.

We have enough projects happening now, how many more would the club want. Cannot see Jackson at 3 myself.

  On 15/11/2019 at 09:55, DeeSpencer said:

A reminder for about the 100th time in this thread that Jackson was 2nd in the Larke medal count, so whilst he has a long way to go to play excellent AFL footy he's not all potential when it comes to games against the best players his age. 

We've also drafted a lot of players who had excellent starts to their careers and then have faltered, regressed or failed to reach their potential. Angus Brayshaw was pick 3 and had a great debut year and whilst he was very good in 2018 I think the jury is well and truly out on whether he'll be a talent or just a guy for the rest of his career. 

Meanwhile someone like Fritsch was left out of TAC teams and came through local and VFL footy and I hope will be a big success. 

I don’t know about anyone else but I would of thought Petracca fits that summary better than anybody. 

I reckon you’d want someone who can kick with pick 3

  On 15/11/2019 at 12:43, Redleg said:

Not if Freo are on the bottom or close to it. With Bell negotiating that could be an outcome where you get nothing, like Martin this year.

Did you see what West Coast gave up for Kelly? I think it was 2 first rounds and 2 second rounders... Clubs will pay overs for quality players.

He looks  very  good. You don't see  to many  young rucks  tap the  ball to there own advantage

yes  for me 

  On 15/11/2019 at 16:05, JakovichScissorKick said:

Oh great, another unbiased opinion.

I'll stick with the randos.

From someone who's worked with the likes of Tim English who is becoming one of up and coming talented rucks in the game.

So yes I will gladly take his opinion of these rando's who have watched a 2 minute highlights.

  On 15/11/2019 at 16:05, JakovichScissorKick said:

Oh great, another unbiased opinion.

I'll stick with the randos.

That would be you Rangey

  On 15/11/2019 at 20:52, Caligula's cohort said:

Did you see what West Coast gave up for Kelly? I think it was 2 first rounds and 2 second rounders... Clubs will pay overs for quality players.

Not if they are on the bottom of the ladder and can do a Carlton and Bell would.

Also you are 2 years down the track with the kid and if you draft another you start again.

  On 16/11/2019 at 01:09, Redleg said:

Not if they are on the bottom of the ladder and can do a Carlton and Bell would.

Also you are 2 years down the track with the kid and if you draft another you start again.

If Grundy was in this draft, do you think he'd be worth pick 3 or 4?

At the moment it's all speculation Red, we may pick Young or even Kemp, who knows. We are trying to maximise our draft position and if that includes putting the wind up Freo, then why not. We may force them to swap what they don't want to, to get all three of their choices, on the other hand we may really want Jackson, I think we do but what would I know.

All we know at the moment is who some journalists think we should pick and in what order.

 

Jackson kicked 8 goals from 7 games across the year for East Perth colts. He also won heaps of the footy in those last 5 games. I'd love to know the breakdown of time spent in the ruck/up forward for the kid in those games.

https://www.wafl.com.au/player/luke-jackson

  On 16/11/2019 at 02:44, Tough Kent said:

Jackson kicked 8 goals from 7 games across the year for East Perth colts. He also won heaps of the footy in those last 5 games. I'd love to know the breakdown of time spent in the ruck/up forward for the kid in those games.

https://www.wafl.com.au/player/luke-jackson

That's a good link thanks. So he played 5 Colts games after the U18 Championships so judging him solely on the Championships is flawed. 

Taylor said in his interview that he really focused on particular players - probably Jackson.  He got a lot of hit outs in those games so understandably played a lot of ruck.

I'm happy to take him if Taylor rates him.  Pretty big excitement factor.

I think the question is do we think Hayden Young is supremely better than other prospects, considering that Jackson will be gone by 8. If we take Jackson at 3, perhaps we feel one of the players we’ll also want will be there at 8 anyway. Assume the following 

1. Rowell - GC

2. Anderson - GC

3. Jackson - Melb

4. Green - matched bid GWS

5. Young - Adel

6. Flanders - Sydney

7. Robertson - Freo

8. Serong/Ash/Kemp

it’s also possible that Young slips to number 8 if Adelaide and Sydney like other prospects, whereas there’s zero chance Jackson gets past pick 7.

  On 16/11/2019 at 04:08, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

I think the question is do we think Hayden Young is supremely better than other prospects, considering that Jackson will be gone by 8. If we take Jackson at 3, perhaps we feel one of the players we’ll also want will be there at 8 anyway. Assume the following 

1. Rowell - GC

2. Anderson - GC

3. Jackson - Melb

4. Green - matched bid GWS

5. Young - Adel

6. Flanders - Sydney

7. Robertson - Freo

8. Serong/Ash/Kemp

it’s also possible that Young slips to number 8 if Adelaide and Sydney like other prospects, whereas there’s zero chance Jackson gets past pick 7.

Stephens has been linked to Adelaide so they may very well pick him in which case Young could still be there at pick 8. 

Will all of Adelaide, Sydney and Freo pass on Young though? Would think that’s unlikely.

Freo could probably land Robertson with pick 10. They would be praying no bids come for Henry until after pick 10 and if that were the case, they would be well placed to pick Young at 7 if both Sydney and Adelaide haven’t already picked him.

  On 16/11/2019 at 04:21, ben russell said:

Stephens has been linked to Adelaide so they may very well pick him in which case Young could still be there at pick 8. 

Will all of Adelaide, Sydney and Freo pass on Young though? Would think that’s unlikely.

Freo could probably land Robertson with pick 10. They would be praying no bids come for Henry until after pick 10 and if that were the case, they would be well placed to pick Young at 7 if both Sydney and Adelaide haven’t already picked him.

There’s a lot of possibilities.

I guess my point is that if Taylor and Co view Young, Serong, Ash, Flanders etc all at a similar standard then it makes sense to take Jackson at 3 and then take whoever falls to 8.

Then there’s the possibility that Gws swap 6 for 10+22 from Freo when there’s a bid on Green, so that will also change things dramatically.

It’s going to be a very interesting 1st round

 

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 20195 yr by Collar-Jazz-Knee

I’ve read comments along the lines of....

Hayden Young : “He’s a meat a potatoes kind of player“

Because we already have a team full of elite users of the ball by foot.

Dylan Stephens : “His highlights look good but I can’t see him him getting that kind of time and space in the AFL”

We have numerous players who continually miss easy set shots on goal or look to pass off rather than take the shots themselves.

What if we applied that same logic to Jackson’s highlights....

  On 16/11/2019 at 04:28, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I’ve read comments along the lines of....

Hayden Young : “He’s a meat a potatoes kind of player“

Because we already have a team full of elite users of the ball by foot.

Dylan Stephens : “His highlights look good but I can’t see him him getting that kind of time and space in the AFL”

We have numerous players who continually miss easy set shots on goal or look to pass off rather than take the shots themselves.

What if we applied that same logic to Jackson’s highlights....

Yeah all made by couch amateurs. You gotta trust the experts you pay to do the job. Taylor said there was a 2 day conference to work through the candidates and Goodwin was involved so there are plenty of checks and balances. If Taylor and co think it's Jackson then the club needs to back their judgement.

  On 16/11/2019 at 04:35, Fifty-5 said:

Yeah all made by couch amateurs. You gotta trust the experts you pay to do the job. Taylor said there was a 2 day conference to work through the candidates and Goodwin was involved so there are plenty of checks and balances. If Taylor and co think it's Jackson then the club needs to back their judgement.

Yes we do, ultimately we don’t have a choice, just opinions.

 

For anyone who might know, 

Jackson’s ability to take a pack mark, and his set shots on goal (accuracy and range). The answer to those two questions would go a long way to the decision being a yes or a no. A lot of people throwing around “upside” and “potential”, we’re still waiting for Petracca to live up to his.

Edited November 16, 20195 yr by Bombay Airconditioning