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I still love Hogan and want to see him do well but I think he has peaked. He just doesn't have the mentality to succeed which is a shame because I think he did when he first started. Everyone knows what he's had to deal with and it seems he is still working through it all. By the time he figures it out it will be too late.

I saw an instance on the weekend where he was ripping in to a teammate for burning him on the lead instead of turning around and impacting the next contest. If that's not out of his game by now its here to stay.

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he looked completely underdone Saturday night ,was puffing and panting and looking for a rest but still managed to take more marks than any one in our forward line through sheer ability alone .

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16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Cameron would be awesome - will never come to us, probably Collingwood or even Carlton or Essendon.

Daniher and Casboult? No [censored] way!! If the club signed either of those two hacks I would be done.

Gotta play with the hand you're dealt. We don't have much in the way of trade currency so it's likely to be a free agent we chase if we do. Those 3 are the best 3 options as far as key forwards go.

FWIW I think Casboult would be a great get for us. Excellent mark, good on the lead and seems to have worked hard to fix his kicking.

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I still love Hogan and want to see him do well but I think he has peaked. He just doesn't have the mentality to succeed which is a shame because I think he did when he first started. Everyone knows what he's had to deal with and it seems he is still working through it all. By the time he figures it out it will be too late.

I saw an instance on the weekend where he was ripping in to a teammate for burning him on the lead instead of turning around and impacting the next contest. If that's not out of his game by now its here to stay.

I agree.  I think now, he was too young to come across the country to play.

 

I agree with raising the draft age to 19Yrs,  but also academy players should be 16 or 17yrs,  from within your own local region.  So they stay at home with mum and dad.

A sort of U-19's comp.

 

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1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Gotta play with the hand you're dealt. We don't have much in the way of trade currency so it's likely to be a free agent we chase if we do. Those 3 are the best 3 options as far as key forwards go.

FWIW I think Casboult would be a great get for us. Excellent mark, good on the lead and seems to have worked hard to fix his kicking.

Casboult is a very different beast to the unreliable, occasionally impressive forward-ruck of the past. He's been really good for Carlton this season and his one fairly poor game against us probably made the difference.  Unfortunately he's also now over 30 and has only once in his career gone a season injury free.  Plus, as I understand it he is pretty deep 'Blue'.

In-form Hogan is, tragically, the type of player we could use.  But so would be in-form Weideman or in-form Tom McDonald.

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4 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Casboult is a very different beast to the unreliable, occasionally impressive forward-ruck of the past. He's been really good for Carlton this season and his one fairly poor game against us probably made the difference.  Unfortunately he's also now over 30 and has only once in his career gone a season injury free.  Plus, as I understand it he is pretty deep 'Blue'.

In-form Hogan is, tragically, the type of player we could use.  But so would be in-form Weideman or in-form Tom McDonald.

Yeah, my hope would be Levi could bridge the 'Weid/Jackson gap' where he covers us for a couple of years while one (or hopefully both) of those guys really come on. He almost left the Blues last time he was out of contract but then some weird contract clause kicked in from memory and they signed him up again. Having a genuine big unit who will lead hard and never drop the ball would be a godsend for us, plus the bloke literally hasn't missed this year; 8 goals straight.

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Daniher is the savior. He's kicked 60 odd goals in a season and been an All Australian. I don't understand the hatred for him. He knows how to get the ball he kicked 7 behinds against us but his kicking has improved since Lloyd took him under his wing. He's definitely better than Casboult.

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5 hours ago, Elegt said:

Hogan is average

He was anything but average in the effect he had upon MFC.

i know he had problems But I woukd never have let him go

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9 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I am in shock. Casboult as the savior!?!?!?! 

No. And trying to over simplify things in this way doesn't do anyone any favours.

We need a key forward who can lead and mark, that's pretty obvious. It's a role to fill, not a 'saviour'.

We don't have anything in ways of trade currency, so we need to look at free agents.

As far as free agents go Jeremy Cameron is without doubt the best option. Should we not get him we need to look at the other options.

One of those is Casboult. One of the best pairs of hands in the league, consistently leads and has not missed a shot on goal this year.

If you'd prefer to throw around some of the unrealistic ideas that always pop up then go for it, I'm sure we can trade the Wagners, Niteschke, Dunkley and Chandler in a package deal for Ben Brown.

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31 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

No. And trying to over simplify things in this way doesn't do anyone any favours.

We need a key forward who can lead and mark, that's pretty obvious. It's a role to fill, not a 'saviour'.

We don't have anything in ways of trade currency, so we need to look at free agents.

As far as free agents go Jeremy Cameron is without doubt the best option. Should we not get him we need to look at the other options.

One of those is Casboult. One of the best pairs of hands in the league, consistently leads and has not missed a shot on goal this year.

If you'd prefer to throw around some of the unrealistic ideas that always pop up then go for it, I'm sure we can trade the Wagners, Niteschke, Dunkley and Chandler in a package deal for Ben Brown.

LN that lot would get you one of browns legs.

If you want class you have to give something of value.

As we Have already given North our first pick this year which will be a good one we have nothing to offer.

Ask them for Brown and they would ask for Gawn in return.

No chance Brown is going anywhere and why on Earth would he want to come to us?

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14 minutes ago, old dee said:

LN that lot would get you one of browns legs.

If you want class you have to give something of value.

As we Have already given North our first pick this year which will be a good one we have nothing to offer.

Ask them for Brown and they would ask for Gawn in return.

No chance Brown is going anywhere and why on Earth would he want to come to us?

Mate, I was being facetious with that comment. Pointing out the exact point you're making.

 

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4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Mate, I was being facetious with that comment. Pointing out the exact point you're making.

 

Missed that LN. I will blame recent problems well that’s my excuse. Perhaps my sarcasm meter needs new batteries! 

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46 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

No. And trying to over simplify things in this way doesn't do anyone any favours.

We need a key forward who can lead and mark, that's pretty obvious. It's a role to fill, not a 'saviour'.

We don't have anything in ways of trade currency, so we need to look at free agents.

As far as free agents go Jeremy Cameron is without doubt the best option. Should we not get him we need to look at the other options.

One of those is Casboult. One of the best pairs of hands in the league, consistently leads and has not missed a shot on goal this year.

If you'd prefer to throw around some of the unrealistic ideas that always pop up then go for it, I'm sure we can trade the Wagners, Niteschke, Dunkley and Chandler in a package deal for Ben Brown.

This is where both your logic and the Football Department's logic just don't make sense to me.  You're asking for a role player, not a saviour, which is not an unrealistic request.  You have then offered the name of Casboult as a possible target (your 2nd choice).

If that's all we are asking (ie role-player, not saviour), then I can't see why we wouldn't be playing Weid or Brown.  They are both as capable, if not more so, than Levi, and are both presently on our list.

The logic of the FD that I don't understand is that we clearly need a 2nd tall forward, yet they have two of them running around in a scratch match that can do it but refuse to pick them.

 

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2 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

This is where both your logic and the Football Department's logic just don't make sense to me.  You're asking for a role player, not a saviour, which is not an unrealistic request.  You have then offered the name of Casboult as a possible target (your 2nd choice).

If that's all we are asking (ie role-player, not saviour), then I can't see why we wouldn't be playing Weid or Brown.  They are both as capable, if not more so, than Levi, and are both presently on our list.

The logic of the FD that I don't understand is that we clearly need a 2nd tall forward, yet they have two of them running around in a scratch match that can do it but refuse to pick them.

 

I agree it Defies believe TC

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2 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

This is where both your logic and the Football Department's logic just don't make sense to me.  You're asking for a role player, not a saviour, which is not an unrealistic request.  You have then offered the name of Casboult as a possible target (your 2nd choice).

If that's all we are asking (ie role-player, not saviour), then I can't see why we wouldn't be playing Weid or Brown.  They are both as capable, if not more so, than Levi, and are both presently on our list.

The logic of the FD that I don't understand is that we clearly need a 2nd tall forward, yet they have two of them running around in a scratch match that can do it but refuse to pick them.

 

I agree we should already have one of Weid or Brown in the team at the moment, but IMO neither of them are anywhere near Casboult as a player currently. Not even close.

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7 minutes ago, old dee said:

Missed that LN. I will blame recent problems well that’s my excuse. Perhaps my sarcasm meter needs new batteries! 

Usually here if we play on a Sunday the pattern goes:

Sunday & Monday - Anger
Tuesday - Confusion moving into sarcasm
Wednesday - Productive thought
Thursday - Hope, leading to confusion again at about 6.25pm
Friday - Head shaking
Saturday - Hope again

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On 9/20/2019 at 5:50 PM, Unleash Hell said:

Haha

I'm waiting for the bring back Scully / Trengove & Toumpas threads

Never gonna happen.👎😄

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Its time to look elsewhere for a key fwd.. its to hard to get one out of another club.. they are out there.. Ben Brown was swinging away in teh VFL..  You just want to get a player who is capable of taking a big mark.

If thats not available.. then we might have one in our midst.. if things keep going teh way they are and teh season is done early.. then Swing May fwd and see how he goes.  Tom can go back.. its worth a try..  even if its just for teh last 4 weeks of footy to see if there is something in it.

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4 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Never gonna happen.👎😄

Of course it won’t but the discussion show what we lost when  he left. No replacement of the 50 goals he kicked in 3/4 of a season in 2018. 

You know those things that win games.

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Just now, Lord Nev said:

I agree we should already have one of Weid or Brown in the team at the moment, but IMO neither of them are anywhere near Casboult as a player currently. Not even close.

Brown kicked 21 goals from 16 games in 2019, Casboult kicked 15 from 20.

Brown had a reasonably solid preseason, then got the [censored] after our Round 1 game.  Has kicked bulk goals in every scratch match since.

You will predictably show me their stats for 2020, and it will somewhat give your argument a great deal more substance than mine, but it's why I also questioned the logic of the Football Department.  Their selections this year are absolutely disgraceful, so much so that you are able to use stats that would support why Casboult should be someone we target.

 

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

No. And trying to over simplify things in this way doesn't do anyone any favours.

We need a key forward who can lead and mark, that's pretty obvious. It's a role to fill, not a 'saviour'.

We don't have anything in ways of trade currency, so we need to look at free agents.

As far as free agents go Jeremy Cameron is without doubt the best option. Should we not get him we need to look at the other options.

One of those is Casboult. One of the best pairs of hands in the league, consistently leads and has not missed a shot on goal this year.

If you'd prefer to throw around some of the unrealistic ideas that always pop up then go for it, I'm sure we can trade the Wagners, Niteschke, Dunkley and Chandler in a package deal for Ben Brown.

I wanted Casboult 2 years ago when he was on the scrap heap and was up for trade. Got howled down for it. As you say, best hands in the comp and would have taken an extra big body to relive McDonald and Weideman at the time. He won't win you game, but he's a hard working competitor. 

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4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I wanted Casboult 2 years ago when he was on the scrap heap and was up for trade. Got howled down for it. As you say, best hands in the comp and would have taken an extra big body to relive McDonald and Weideman at the time. He won't win you game, but he's a hard working competitor. 

Same mate, been keen on him for a while as I think his strengths fit in well with our mix.

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