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Lyon: Save $$ on Tomlinson, Go All ln on Whitfield

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Makes sense to me. GWS will not be able to meet the demands of all of its 26 yo brigade who will want to cash in for their last contract. 

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    We have to be realistic here. It's all well and good to say that we should save money for Whitfield, but who's to say he'll want to come to us? What would we do if we didn't sign Tomlinson for free this year in the hope of getting Whitfield next year, for Whitfield to re-sign with GWS (With the AFL's help of course). We miss out on the decent recruit as well as a great one...

    I recon the FD would know what their chances of landing Whitfield next year are, and if they're not over 90%, don't run the risk. Sign what you know you can now.

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    3 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    We have to be realistic here. It's all well and good to say that we should save money for Whitfield, but who's to say he'll want to come to us? What would we do if we didn't sign Tomlinson for free this year in the hope of getting Whitfield next year, for Whitfield to re-sign with GWS (With the AFL's help of course). We miss out on the decent recruit as well as a great one...

    I recon the FD would know what their chances of landing Whitfield next year are, and if they're not over 90%, don't run the risk. Sign what you know you can now.

    100% agree. You can't be making decisions on the hope someone comes to you.

    That's just poor management. 

    If it gets to next season and he's available and wants to come to us, then we look at ways to do it. That may involve trading out someone like Brayshaw to free up cap space, but you need to make decisions for the here and now.

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    Easy to throw those words out by Garry but I’d be staggered if he would chose Melb over Carlton, Hawthorn etc

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    More proof of why Lyon never had a successful career as a coach. He does not read the play or players very well. Both of these players would cost too much. We need to use pick 2.

     

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    He would demand a long term 7 figure salary to wheel him away from GWS. Lets assume we pushed ahead with all of the trades planned this year and we still fell short of the outside silk that is missing. And let's assume we would be pushing up against the cap next year. Where could we get money from to make that trade happen, because believe me, he is worth every single penny.

    1. Retire Jonesy - there is 350- 400K

    2. Put one of Brayshaw / Petracca / Viney on the trade table - there is another 500 - 700 K there.

    3. Possibly look at moving on AVB or J. smith depending on contributions. Possibly another 300K.

    Youd also need to make adjustments to cater for anyone else coming out of contract and on next year. 

    That is how you could probably get an immediate 1.1M possibly even more if we had the ability to front load to reduce the pressure on future player contract renewals.

    What say you Demonland - would you make that offer?

    I'm also not sure whether he'd be RFA or whether we need to put in some picks to sweeten the deal. But that wouldn't necessarily be an issue as we could offer the player of the 2nd point above.

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    55 minutes ago, Mental Demons said:

    More proof of why Lyon never had a successful career as a coach. He does not read the play or players very well. Both of these players would cost too much. We need to use pick 2.

     

    What a ridiculous statement and shows your ignorance, its an an opinion and he is saying have a crack at .. why not? Cant see what coaching has to do with it.

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    1 hour ago, Nelo said:

    Easy to throw those words out by Garry but I’d be staggered if he would chose Melb over Carlton, Hawthorn etc

    Thats pretty much what he is saying though, to be in with a chance save our money and throw it at Whitfield, make him an offer that is better that the other clubs and at least it gives us a chance, we may not be able to do that if we secure Tomilnson..

    Would you rather have Tomlinson in the side next year, or go hard at Whitfield for the year after. its a very fair question, not sure why you and others are are so salty about it.

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    Sheesh, Whitfield hospitalised with appendicitis,  big doubt for the prelim. Sorry to alter course, yeah I’d probably take him.

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    35 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

    Thats pretty much what he is saying though, to be in with a chance save our money and throw it at Whitfield, make him an offer that is better that the other clubs and at least it gives us a chance, we may not be able to do that if we secure Tomilnson..

    Would you rather have Tomlinson in the side next year, or go hard at Whitfield for the year after. its a very fair question, not sure why you and others are are so salty about it.

    Not salty, but essentially making a story of something that won’t happen. 

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    4 minutes ago, Nelo said:

    Not salty, but essentially making a story of something that won’t happen. 

    Ok, apologies for calling you salty, How do you know it wont happen though, unlikely as it may be, the whole suggestion is to give it a shot.. he wasn't saying it will happen.. do you not want the opportunity to have a crack at a player like whitfield?

    its essentially what happens on this forum, in the workplaces and the media everyday, its the opinion business.

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    1 hour ago, Mental Demons said:

    More proof of why Lyon never had a successful career as a coach. He does not read the play or players very well. Both of these players would cost too much. We need to use pick 2.

     

    What does pick 2 have anything to do with Tomlinson or Whitfield??? They would both be free agents.

    And since you are so prophetic over coaching careers, would you mind imparting some of your divine wisdom on whether Goodwin will work out?

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    2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

    Ok, apologies for calling you salty, How do you know it wont happen though, unlikely as it may be, the whole suggestion is to give it a shot.. he wasn't saying it will happen.. do you not want the opportunity to have a crack at a player like whitfield?

    its essentially what happens on this forum, in the workplaces and the media everyday, its the opinion business.

    So you're saying we should ignore a player that is essentially guaranteed to come to us, so we may have a small chance of landing a better player?

    That's poor list management. If we sign Tomlinson, and then Whitfield indicates he would like to come to us, we'll just have to trade out a decent player to free up space. Stalling for another year is not going to help us in the long run.

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    Interesting. I can see it both ways. The MFC have to become more bold with recruitment. 

    This is why years ago I said many times, we should have taken Luke Ball in the draft when he was there. Yes I know he only wanted the Club next door, but we have to grow the nads. 

    Tomlinson or Whitfield 

    Big difference Big Risk

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    10 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    So you're saying we should ignore a player that is essentially guaranteed to come to us, so we may have a small chance of landing a better player?

    That's poor list management. If we sign Tomlinson, and then Whitfield indicates he would like to come to us, we'll just have to trade out a decent player to free up space. Stalling for another year is not going to help us in the long run.

    The story was about getting Whitfield and if it meant we couldn't afford him due to signing Tomlinson would it change our approach. 

    And for what its worth,  to "trade out a decent player to free up space" would be irresponsible and lack foresight, would you rather lose Petracca to acquire Whitfield and so that we could also have Tomlinson? i think id rather for go Tomlinson, go large at Whitfield an keep our other established players.

     

    But like i say its the opinion game.

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    1 minute ago, Demon3 said:

    The story was about getting Whitfield and if it meant we couldn't afford him due to signing Tomlinson would it change our approach. 

    And for what its worth,  to "trade out a decent player to free up space" would be irresponsible and lack foresight, would you rather lose Petracca to acquire Whitfield and so that we could also have Tomlinson? i think id rather for go Tomlinson, go large at Whitfield an keep our other established players.

     

    But like i say its the opinion game.

    We're all working on the hypothetical "If" though. Tomlinson is almost certain to join, while I believe there would be less than a 20% chance for Whitfield joining us unless we offer a deal he cannot refuse.

    Also, I never said Patracca. Have a look at the players that are OOC next season. Hunt would be a good 300-400 thousand, then there would be reduced contract offers to Hibberd, etc, who are in the twilight of their careers.

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    This type of thinking shows how the AFL is lagging behind other codes. In the NBA for example team management is about talent acquisition and building assets which can be later traded for improving the roster (list). Why not pick up Tomlinson, at worst he can be traded next year for another asset and if we have a top tier free agent want to join us next year. The old buy low and sell high. 

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    4 minutes ago, BigMacjnr said:

    This type of thinking shows how the AFL is lagging behind other codes. In the NBA for example team management is about talent acquisition and building assets which can be later traded for improving the roster (list). Why not pick up Tomlinson, at worst he can be traded next year for another asset and if we have a top tier free agent want to join us next year. The old buy low and sell high. 

    Sadly, that would only work if we had Free Trade/Free Agency, whereby a Club can choose where the player goes during contract, but once out of contract, the player gets to decide where he goes. That will never happen in the AFL though, the AFLPA holds too much power and will never give it up.

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    Why would we listen to the arseclown that brought Mark Neeld to this club.

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    40 minutes ago, Richard Tionary said:

    whether Goodwin will work out?

    I have many times and I can not see the MFC being successful with his guidance.

     

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    3 hours ago, Nelo said:

    Easy to throw those words out by Garry but I’d be staggered if he would chose Melb over Carlton, Hawthorn etc

    Yep, and other clubs always seem more willing than us to pay more $ and offer longer contracts to get the established A graders. Also, Tomlinson is all but guaranteed, obviously Whitfield isn’t. I understand they’re on different levels but Tomlinson still fills a need, I wouldn’t want to miss out on him for a 2% chance of getting Whitfield. 

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    40 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

    Good in theory but can’t see GWS letting him go

    Yep its all good in theory 

    Problem is the player choosea where they want to go.

    Wouldnt thought this strategy has paid off dor clubs like ours or saints, dogs, roos.

    Players choose big clubs. AFL equality is bs.

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    1 hour ago, BigMacjnr said:

    This type of thinking shows how the AFL is lagging behind other codes. In the NBA for example team management is about talent acquisition and building assets which can be later traded for improving the roster (list). Why not pick up Tomlinson, at worst he can be traded next year for another asset and if we have a top tier free agent want to join us next year. The old buy low and sell high. 

    There has got to be some limit though, because clubs can defer part payment of contracts so in theory you could get anybody for a year and then what. Havew a look at some suburban/country clubs who pay big $$ for players and then when they go thewy have got nothing because the development work they put in on potential players has brenn wasted. Sorry, there is no way that Tomlinson is worth Jones, BNrayshaw/Petracca, and ANB/Hunt . N

    No wonder they call this part of the year , the silly season.

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