21 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

To be fair, WB, this is the Ben King thread 

True, but he has been harping on about it all over the place. 

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

True, but he has been harping on about it all over the place. 

Move on WB... 

Don’t let me ruin your day and keep you up at night! 

What was it again!

Pick 3 and more for Ben King ?? 

2 hours ago, Rocky said:

for anyone saying pick 3 for king... we need to use a first rounder this year. gahhhh

Which is why I think we’re looking to split.

If we can get pick 6 for instance, and another late first rounder, we could send 6 (and change if needed) to get whoever we may be targeting, but retain the late first rounder to satisfy our requirement.

Alternatively we could use 2 first rounders this year & give ourselves flexibility for the coming years if we wish to bundle current & future picks to facilitate trades.

6 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Which is why I think we’re looking to split.

If we can get pick 6 for instance, and another late first rounder, we could send 6 (and change if needed) to get whoever we may be targeting, but retain the late first rounder to satisfy our requirement.

Alternatively we could use 2 first rounders this year & give ourselves flexibility for the coming years if we wish to bundle current & future picks to facilitate trades.

 

2 hours ago, Rocky said:

for anyone saying pick 3 for king... we need to use a first rounder this year. gahhhh

We don't have to use a first round pick this year. We just have to use at least one in the next 2 years as it's a rolling 4 year period.

 

55 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

We don't have to use a first round pick this year. We just have to use at least one in the next 2 years as it's a rolling 4 year period.

 

I thought we had to use our draft picks?

58 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

We don't have to use a first round pick this year. We just have to use at least one in the next 2 years as it's a rolling 4 year period.

 

 

When did we last use a first round selection?

Apparently we don't have to use a first round pick this year as we used 2 first round picks in 2015.

So according to the rolling method we've used 2 first rounders in the last 4 seasons (2015 - 2018)

So we're in the new cycle of 4 years.  Google will point the way through the various links

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Apparently we don't have to use a first round pick this year as we used 2 first round picks in 2015.

So according to the rolling method we've used 2 first rounders in the last 4 seasons (2015 - 2018)

So we're in the new cycle of 4 years.  Google will point the way through the various links

Ok, thanks for that, this is the first time i've heard about this?

Just now, deebug said:

Ok, thanks for that, this is the first time i've heard about this?

It's too complicated to explain but the bottom line is that we do not have to go to the draft with a first round pick (this season) But we do have to use a first round pick next season (?)

Phone only here but there are links (via google) that can be posted up if anyone else has the time.

My gut feeling is that we can go either way ... i.e. we've got our eye on a prospect at pick 3 but we might use the pick in other ways if the right configuration came our way. 

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

It's too complicated to explain but the bottom line is that we do not have to go to the draft with a first round pick (this season) But we do have to use a first round pick next season (?)

Phone only here but there are links (via google) that can be posted up if anyone else has the time.

My gut feeling is that we can go either way ... i.e. we've got our eye on a prospect at pick 3 but we might use the pick in other ways if the right configuration came our way. 

We need to get this one right, fingers crossed it's the start of our rise up the ladder?

1 hour ago, deebug said:

We need to get this one right, fingers crossed it's the start of our rise up the ladder?

Well you don't necessarily nail picks so we need to get lucky if we use pick 3 on a prospect.

And that's all.they really are - prospects. 

The so-called experts say otherwise but they get it wrong a lot.  Not that they'd ever admit it ... too busy evaluating the next batch.

For the above reasonong I'd swap the pick for proven talent.  And Ben King looks to be more than just a prospect now.  Pick 3 probably wouldn't be enough and he may have no interest in coming to us anyway.  Who knows?

Edited October 13, 20196 yr by Macca

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

It's too complicated to explain but the bottom line is that we do not have to go to the draft with a first round pick (this season) But we do have to use a first round pick next season (?)

Phone only here but there are links (via google) that can be posted up if anyone else has the time.

My gut feeling is that we can go either way ... i.e. we've got our eye on a prospect at pick 3 but we might use the pick in other ways if the right configuration came our way. 

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-02/trading-firstround-picks-afls-most-misunderstood-rule-explained

NOTE: THIS ARTICLE IS FROM LAST YEAR.

Quote

 

Essendon is in a similar scenario to Hawthorn and Melbourne under the new trade conditions.

All three clubs drafted two players in the first round in 2015, but the Hawks and Demons haven't used one since and neither has one this year.

They can do as they wish with their first-round pick in the 2019 NAB AFL Trade Period, including offloading a future one, because they have used at least two in the preceding four-year period.

However, like the Bombers, unless they trade in extra first-round selections this year or next, they will have to start using those picks in 2020 until they satisfy the four-year rolling requirement.

That trio of teams will have used just one first-round pick or fewer through the 2019 draft – assuming they don't acquire any extras – once their two from 2015 drop off.

 

The confusing thing is working out when the 4 year rolling period beings and ends. I would have thought that we had to use one this year as we haven't used any since 2015. Turns out that we don't and that the 2015 period counts within the four year period.

2015: 2 picks

2016: 0

2017: 0

2018: 0

 

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Well you don't necessarly nail picks so we need to get lucky if we use pick 3 on a prospect.

And that's all.they really are - prospects. 

The so-called experts say otherwise but they get it wrong a lot.  Not that they'd ever admit it ... too busy evaluating the next batch.

For the above reasonong I'd swap the pick for proven talent.  And Ben King looks to be more than just a prospect now.  Pick 3 probably wouldn't be enough and he may have no interest in coming to us anyway.  Who knows?

Be great if we could get Ben King, hope we have at least asked?

5 minutes ago, BAMF said:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-02/trading-firstround-picks-afls-most-misunderstood-rule-explained

NOTE: THIS ARTICLE IS FROM LAST YEAR.

The confusing thing is working out when the 4 year rolling period beings and ends. I would have thought that we had to use one this year as we haven't used any since 2015. Turns out that we don't and that the 2015 period counts within the four year period.

2015: 2 picks

2016: 0

2017: 0

2018: 0

 

All we need now is for gc to agree to trading King, and King wanting to come to us.

On sen Mathew Lloyd was saying he coached both the boys during their school side, he said both were mad saints supporters and he thinks Ben will only play for the saints if he comes back home.

I can't see how both can play in the same forward line together?

 

42 minutes ago, deebug said:

All we need now is for gc to agree to trading King, and King wanting to come to us.

On sen Mathew Lloyd was saying he coached both the boys during their school side, he said both were mad saints supporters and he thinks Ben will only play for the saints if he comes back home.

I can't see how both can play in the same forward line together?

 

Max has also signed until 2022, no doubt on generous but not over the top money. But if Ben has a great season he'll get offers of huge money, hopefully not Tom Boyd level stupidity but it could be close to the 1M a season. Will the saints have the salary cap after their splurge this year? I doubt they'll want to pay him that to play CHB. 

And if Max is the better footballer then all of a sudden you have to pay him 1M+ on 2023 on.

Essendon banking the draft picks and cash from selling Daniher then offering it up to the Suns seems likely to me. The romance of playing with your brother might not be worth another million or so in the contract.

 

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

 

We don't have to use a first round pick this year. We just have to use at least one in the next 2 years as it's a rolling 4 year period.

 

ugh! i thought this was all confirmed prior to the trade period. so freaking confusing. ok whatever. what a messed up system. just keep it simple afl! way to alienate the fans.. surely the rule is to reduce the examples of clubs not having an up and coming players (like us currently), by insisting that clubs must utilise first round picks.. 2015 was a lifetime ago!

I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up, but... 

Edited October 13, 20196 yr by Ethan Tremblay

William Benjamin Basil King is his full name ET.

21 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

William Benjamin Basil King is his full name ET.

56 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up, but... 

Gold PMSL

OUT- Pick 3 (Nugget), 2020 First Rounder, Preuss (Nicholls retired and Preuss QLDer) and Stretch.

IN- Basil King, Pick 15

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Max has also signed until 2022, no doubt on generous but not over the top money. But if Ben has a great season he'll get offers of huge money, hopefully not Tom Boyd level stupidity but it could be close to the 1M a season. Will the saints have the salary cap after their splurge this year? I doubt they'll want to pay him that to play CHB. 

And if Max is the better footballer then all of a sudden you have to pay him 1M+ on 2023 on.

Essendon banking the draft picks and cash from selling Daniher then offering it up to the Suns seems likely to me. The romance of playing with your brother might not be worth another million or so in the contract.

 

How do you bank draft picks?

"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."  - Basil King.

6 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."  - Basil King.

"Rub on all surfaces for a perfect clean" - White King.

4 hours ago, Macca said:

Well you don't necessarily nail picks so we need to get lucky if we use pick 3 on a prospect.

And that's all.they really are - prospects. 

The so-called experts say otherwise but they get it wrong a lot.  Not that they'd ever admit it ... too busy evaluating the next batch.

For the above reasonong I'd swap the pick for proven talent.  And Ben King looks to be more than just a prospect now.  Pick 3 probably wouldn't be enough and he may have no interest in coming to us anyway.  Who knows?

They admit it, in a round about kind of way after the fact. Dustin Martin?