4 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Yep. I remember many going off their trees when we didn’t pick Parish because he was the “safest bet.” Surely, this club in particular, with Watts, Scully, Trengove, Morton etc etc who everybody rated as sure things has learned some things. Trust the recruiters and Pick the players you think will make it. We have as much chance of an error with a so called “ safe” bet as we do just backing our talent judges. 

Yep.

A junior might be a super consistent at that level but you need to ask if the skill set they possess is transferable to senior AFL football?

I'll preface this by saying i'm no draft watcher/expert.

Perhaps Pickett will prove to be an inspired pick, but I just can't get excited about using a top 10 pick on a small forward who averaged 7 touches/games and a goal every two games at senior SANFL level, and only 2 goals in three games at the national champs. Richmond, sans Rioli, found most of their small pressure forwards either late in the draft or in the rookie draft, and there are plenty of options in this draft for small forwards that will be their for pick 28. If Pickett slides then sure, happy to take a punt. But rolling our future first, 26 and 50 to = Pickett and whoever is left over at 28 (30-32) just doesn't feel right. 

It's also interesting that aside from GC with picks 1 and 2, we seem to be the only other club that is being reported as "locked in" with our picks several days out from the draft. Something doesn't smell right. Are we playing games? Are other clubs feeding false information trying to make us "reach" for a player early? Perhaps reporters are just putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 5...

Taking Pickett will most likely mean saying no to one of Serong, Kemp, Stephens, Young. I'll wait to see how the draft unfolds but I hope we know what we're doing as it feels we are prioritising needs over best available.

I have no problem at all with us taking Pickett at 10 if our guys rate him that highly and all our must-haves are gone.

But I think from what we heard from Tubby Taylor, he's a fan of Hayden Young and if by some miracle Young is available at No.10, then we better bloody well take him as we already have six small forwards on our list (ANB, Spargo, Lockhart, Chandler, Bedford, Hunt) and that's without including Hannan, Petracca, Melky and Fritter who could all be placed in that category as well.

By contrast if Salem goes down, let's think what back-ups do we have to assume his precise kicking role - you could argue Hibberd, Jetta and Jones, but all three of those are nearing the end of their careers.

So let's hope Taylor shows some sanity if Young is available.

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18 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Yep. I remember many going off their trees when we didn’t pick Parish because he was the “safest bet.”

They were in the minority from memory - most saw that Oliver, whilst raw, had serious potential. He dominated the 2nd half of the year and won the TAC Cup B&F, all while a long way off AFL fitness standards. Perhaps he was a 'riskier' pick than Parish, but he at least had the kind of exposed form you look for in a top draft pick.

Those advocating against Pickett, myself included, aren't against high risk/ high reward drafting on principle. He just seems like too much of a long shot to be worth the price of pick 10 (especially considering what we gave up to get it). Drafting so blatantly on a needs basis rarely ends well.

The obvious alternatives (Kemp, Stephens, Serong, potentially Young) aren't exactly safe options either, but seem lower risk with just as much upside.

 

35 minutes ago, Nascent said:

But rolling our future first, 26 and 50 to = Pickett and whoever is left over at 28 (30-32) just doesn't feel right. 

 

To be fair pick 10 is our 2020 1st rounder only. We got 28 which is close enough to the same as 26. And 50 is not going to be used.

4 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

To be fair pick 10 is our 2020 1st rounder only. We got 28 which is close enough to the same as 26. And 50 is not going to be used.

Yes that's fair. 

 

45 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

I have no problem at all with us taking Pickett at 10 if our guys rate him that highly and all our must-haves are gone.

But I think from what we heard from Tubby Taylor, he's a fan of Hayden Young and if by some miracle Young is available at No.10, then we better bloody well take him as we already have six small forwards on our list (ANB, Spargo, Lockhart, Chandler, Bedford, Hunt) and that's without including Hannan, Petracca, Melky and Fritter who could all be placed in that category as well.

By contrast if Salem goes down, let's think what back-ups do we have to assume his precise kicking role - you could argue Hibberd, Jetta and Jones, but all three of those are nearing the end of their careers.

So let's hope Taylor shows some sanity if Young is available.

Spargo  Chandler And Bedford are really only comparable. This small forward Ie Pickett is smaller faster cleverer and X factorer better.

We need to take the risk.

My question why not Young Stephens or Green at pick 3.

(Of course Jackson has X factor himself and that explains the risk/reward factor I guess)

16 minutes ago, 58er said:

Spargo  Chandler And Bedford are really only comparable. This small forward Ie Pickett is smaller faster cleverer and X factorer better.

We need to take the risk.

My question why not Young Stephens or Green at pick 3.

(Of course Jackson has X factor himself and that explains the risk/reward factor I guess)

No, we don't. we know our list is a lot better than 17th. 

though i agree if we take a risk it should only be one pick. if we want Jackson we should go for one of Stephens, Kemp, Ash, etc. 

3 hours ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

If small forwards are what we want then surely we tr get two picks in the teens?

If we can get 12 & 18 off Port then that could be Weightman and Pickett.

I have heard Jackson is a lock at 3 but pick 10 is well and truly open.

Edited November 25, 20195 yr by Demons11

3 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I have heard Jackson is a lock at 3 but pick 10 is well and truly open.

About time we got Peter Jackson back I say, happy with pick 3.

3 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I have heard Jackson is a lock at 3 but pick 10 is well and truly open.

Nothing against Pickett, but I like this, purely as I'd like to go in thinking it could be anyone (even if it is Pickett), much more enjoyable.

Out if interest, are you confident in this source?

 

Cal Twomey suggesting in his phantom draft that if Serong is there at pick 10 we will take him ahead of picket 

and that Kemp and Robertson are well and truely still in discussions. 

36 minutes ago, whelan45 said:

Nothing against Pickett, but I like this, purely as I'd like to go in thinking it could be anyone (even if it is Pickett), much more enjoyable.

Out if interest, are you confident in this source?

 

Yep

38 minutes ago, SFebes said:

About time we got Peter Jackson back I say, happy with pick 3.

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49 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I have heard Jackson is a lock at 3 but pick 10 is well and truly open.

I’m imagining it’s well and truly open for trade as well..

He kind of reminds me of a young Jeff "the Wizard" Farmer with his raw talent he does this Kysaiah "Kozzy" Pickett. Football is in the blood with Uncle Byron Pickett too!

 

This highlights package of 6 goals was impressive. Even if it was only a SANFL reserves game.

 

 

Edited November 25, 20195 yr by Supreme_Demon

I am more comfortable with Pickett being selected by as at pick 10 than I am with taking Luke Jackson at pick 3.

 

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17 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

It's a thing of beauty DD.  If we picked him up and he can bring the X factor (with consistency of effort) there's certainly alot to look forward to.

Not going to hurt membership either. 

(OK, not talking about moving mountains here, but a bit of X-factor always helps).

If we want to take speculative picks such as Pickett then surely we are splitting pick 10 on draft day. Could then maybe get weightman and Pickett 

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

If we want to take speculative picks such as Pickett then surely we are splitting pick 10 on draft day. Could then maybe get weightman and Pickett 

If that is the case then just take Weightman with 10 and aim for one of Bianco, Taylor or Schoenburg if they get through to 28 DD.

If we picked up Schoenburg with 28 i would be ecstatic.  Rate him roughly the equal 2nd best 'balanced' mid in the draft alongside the likes of Robertson and McGuiness and just ahead of Rantall.  Rantall might turn out to be the pick of the crop with a few extra years in the system though.  Very raw but has some explosive getaway speed combined with the ability to steady, lower the vision & hit up short targets on a lead.  Schoenburg is doing that also but a little more consistent at this point vs Rantall, probably doesn't quite have the pure burst speed but seems strong through the core and beautifuly balanced with ball in hand.

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On 11/23/2019 at 5:34 PM, don't make me angry said:

You didn't seriously think parish was going to be a better player a skinny inside mid player never works

Pretty certain i didn't say that, in fact im 100% sure i never said Parish would be a better player than Oliver.  Al i was getting at was that i wasn't sure like lots of people about taking Oliver at 4.. and i have a similar feeling about Jackson at 3, but i was proved wrong then and hope i am again.

I can understand the concern at taking someone like Pickett at pick 10 but perhaps we are just a bit ahead of the curve.

Charlie Cameron and Eddie Betts are two of the most influential small X factor forwards of recent times and neither were taken in the National Draft. Small forwards, in a lot of cases, have been taken late because of the reasons mentioned here.  But good ones are match winners.  If the Betts and Cameron drafts were done retrospectively they'd both be in the top 10, perhaps top 5.

If we take Pickett it's because we believe he can have the same impact as other elite small forwards.  If we are right we've got a bargain, if not we'll be one of many clubs that have a miss with a pick in that vacinity.

Personally I hope we take him unless someone we really rate slides.  I believe we have a good list, as Mahoney said our list is pretty much set.  We don't want for a lot as long as our (the FD) evaluation of players is correct (Weid and Petty succeeding for example).  The other thing is that many here overrate pick 10.  It can throw up some guns but it can also throw up some duds.  All pick 10's are guns when drafted but there are a lot of duds amoungst them.  

We have been crying out for X factor for years. Many here have lamented we don't have it and now as we look like getting it many have gone all gun shy.

39 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I can understand the concern at taking someone like Pickett at pick 10 but perhaps we are just a bit ahead of the curve.

Charlie Cameron and Eddie Betts are two of the most influential small X factor forwards of recent times and neither were taken in the National Draft. Small forwards, in a lot of cases, have been taken late because of the reasons mentioned here.  But good ones are match winners.  If the Betts and Cameron drafts were done retrospectively they'd both be in the top 10, perhaps top 5.

If we take Pickett it's because we believe he can have the same impact as other elite small forwards.  If we are right we've got a bargain, if not we'll be one of many clubs that have a miss with a pick in that vacinity.

Personally I hope we take him unless someone we really rate slides.  I believe we have a good list, as Mahoney said our list is pretty much set.  We don't want for a lot as long as our (the FD) evaluation of players is correct (Weid and Petty succeeding for example).  The other thing is that many here overrate pick 10.  It can throw up some guns but it can also throw up some duds.  All pick 10's are guns when drafted but there are a lot of duds amoungst them.  

We have been crying out for X factor for years. Many here have lamented we don't have it and now as we look like getting it many have gone all gun shy.

Absolutely

Like the Aussie voters we are now gunshy as we enter the room to cast our vote in the ballot box.

JT and his team won't do that unless all we have been hearing is smoke and mirrors!

I like our continued boldness from left field re Bennell and also this years draft.

Those 3 players  have the potential to change our attack and X factor our team  to another level even  past 2018 ultimately.

we need this excitement and game changers to change our very much predictable  style.

Bring on 2020 for a fitter faster and exciting new team style with plenty of run snd carry and with the tools to finish off our good work from up the field.