POSTGAME: Rd 10 vs GWS

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

42 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If only we’d selected Preuss. ?

 

40 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Can someone please explain the role of Spargo today? I

Impossible to explain the inexplicable DZ.

See Nasher's post above for the obvious answer that most were calling for pre-match.

This is one VERY poor call and the one that tells me Goody just ain't getting it.

There are so many coaches that would be better for this club and this list right now ...here's just one example if he could be bothered (yeh yeh he's washed up and probably past it but couldn't be worse than Goody at selection and game day!)...

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[jnrmac 20,205]

1 minute ago, —coach— said:

Him and the bloke in charge of our kicking skills. Dunstall, Ablett and Lockett would all go goalless in our team at the moment with the crap delivery

Carp. We are missing sitters from everywhere.

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1 minute ago, —coach— said:

Him and the bloke in charge of our kicking skills. Dunstall, Ablett and Lockett would all go goalless in our team at the moment with the crap delivery

Yeah, I called for that in the Goalkicking post! But aparently we don't have one!!

Which then doubles the requirement for Max Rooke to FRO

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Let's get excited for the mid season draft 

[Nasher 33,617]

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

 

See Nasher's post for the obvious answer that most were calling for pre-match.

This is one VERY poor call and the one that tells me Goody just ain't getting it.

There are so many coaches that would be better for this club and this list right now ...here's just one example if he could be bothered (yeh yeh he's washed up and probably parse but couldn't be worse than Goody at selection and game day!)...

 

I was being a bit sarcastic Rusty. I don’t see why people think Preuss is the magic bullet, I don’t rate him as a forward at all and obviously our main ruckman goes okay. I don’t think just being tall is enough.

That said, I do have a fair bit of sympathy for the argument that he couldn’t possibly have added any less than Spargo or Corey Wagner today.

[—coach— 3,496]

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

Carp. We are missing sitters from everywhere.

Your happy with the delivery inside 50 then are you?

 

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37 minutes ago, Yung Blood said:

We looked slow enough today without Preuss let alone with him in the side. GWS just tear you to shreds when you turn the ball over. Hardest running side in the comp (along with collingwood).

They were cleaner with possessions but where they killed us is when we turned the ball over and they worked so hard to run back through the middle and link up. They were just far too good.

The inability for us to spread and run hard for each other is baffling. This team still just looks so unfit to me.

Yet he (Spargo) can't run quick enough to catch anyone YB.

And we continue to make a mess of most of anything short when we did try coming inside 50.  Then the bulk of time bomb to the hot spot where no one takes a contested mark with i believe one exception by T-mac late in the match.

Pruess Pruess Pruess for Spargo all day every day unless you can be 95% certain it's going to [censored] down...and even then i wouldn't play Spargo unless there was no other smalls to choose from.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,551]

Today was diabolical

For us members, being shareholders, I think we've reached the point (if we hadn't already) where we deserve an investigation into what has happened behind the scenes this year. It's been said a fair bit. But something stinks.

Yes we love our team. But we're also investors. And somebody, or a group of people out there, are wasting our money and faith.

[—coach— 3,496]

8 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I was being a bit sarcastic Rusty. I don’t see why people think Preuss is the magic bullet, I don’t rate him as a forward at all and obviously our main ruckman goes okay.

That said, I do have a fair bit of sympathy for the argument that he couldn’t possibly have added any less than Spargo or Corey Wagner today.

I don’t think anyone is actually suggesting he is a magic bullet or a particularly good forward, just that he makes us better by taking the best defender because he is massive and can mark and kick goals as has been proven in his games with us this year. This means tmac and others get the next best defenders which gives them a better chance, and our small forward get more opportunities from balls that go to ground rather the simply being marked uncontested by the opposition.

He also suits our bomb it in mindset which despite our suggestions, continues to go uncorrected

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Spargo must have played his last game today, he was terrible.

His pathetic effort to cover a player where he ended up clumsily running over the mark giving 50 and the 1st goal to GWS was indicative of his day. The only thing he looked capable doing was running off to the bench

Lucky goal late and a few cheap kicks wasn't enough to salvage anything

[Deemania since 56 6,735]

31 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This club has shielded players from shiit efforts for years. It clearly doesn’t work. 

The Skill level of this club is deplorable, along with Leadership. Nothing to do with injuries. 

The MFC jumper is not respected and 50, 000 Members deserve to know why...

Attempt to imagine, if you can, just what Barassi would say to his players, or Norm Smith - or even John Northey - if they were in Goodwin's position at the moment. Roos would not be happy, either.

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

I’m just so gutted post game. Watched the game on the tv. I was feeling crook before the game. Worse after the game. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

14 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I was being a bit sarcastic Rusty. I don’t see why people think Preuss is the magic bullet, I don’t rate him as a forward at all and obviously our main ruckman goes okay. I don’t think just being tall is enough.

That said, I do have a fair bit of sympathy for the argument that he couldn’t possibly have added any less than Spargo or Corey Wagner today.

Yes i knew that Nasher.  The fact that even synical you could see this only reinforced the call that Pruess for Spargo was always a better option.  No ifs or buts.

The fact that the coach can't see this, and continues to blindly play a severely out of form Fritschkreig (and has continued to do so watching him slowly ebb away with each match) down back is enough to convince me (along with a number of other glaringly horrible errors this season)  that Goody just isn't up to it.  We have chosen the wrong horse IMHO.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Sir Why You Little 37,239]

9 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Attempt to imagine, if you can, just what Barassi would say to his players, or Norm Smith - or even John Northey - if they were in Goodwin's position at the moment. Roos would not be happy, either.

I know. But it just won’t happen with Goodwin. 

He will give them a day off

Edited May 26, 2019 by Sir Why You Little

[titan_uranus 25,050]

Did anyone else hear Phil Davis as he ran to the bench mid-way into the first quarter?

He yelled out "they're f**king sh*t! No pressure!". Ostensibly to give his team a rev-up but largely directed at our bench.

Arrogant? Maybe. Accurate? You bet.

When you have this many VFL-level players in the 22, you have to start with the non-negotiables - chasing, tackling, effort and intensity. We had about five players bring the required level in the first half. On a 9-day break, there is no excuse for being so insipid so early.

In terms of our skill, yes, other sides have had injuries too, and some have done well despite those injuries, but that doesn't mean every club is expected to be fine when they have a 17-man injury list and have had a major portion of the club in rehab since December.

Today's side had Stretch, Spargo, C Wagner, J Wagner, Petty, T Smith and Lockhart. Of those, only J Wagner and, briefly, Lockhart played respectably. I'd drop the other five immediately if I could.

But it's not just our injuries. We have too many best 22 players who are out of form and/or underperforming - Brayshaw might be at the head of this list. He was ineffectual all day. Then add Jones and Viney, who are struggling, and when Oliver gets tagged out of it our midfield was essentially Gawn and Harmes. 

On the flipside, we've found a gem in Hore, Baker's shown enough in his two games to suggest he can make it at this level, and Lockhart shows flashes of brilliance (I think fitness is his big problem so a pre-season will hopefully do him wonders).

We need to spend the rest of this year re-integrating key players on the injury list into the best 22 - Salem, Hibberd, Melksham, Lever, May, Hannan, vandenBerg, J Smith, Jetta (and, IMO, Weideman). And we need to demand that Oliver, Brayshaw, VIney, TMac, Petracca and Jones (so long as we keep playing him) lift their games.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,099]

2 minutes ago, —coach— said:

I don’t think anyone is actually suggesting he is a magic bullet or a particularly good forward, just that he makes us better by taking the best defender because he is massive and can mark and kick goals as has been proven in his games with us this year. This means tmac and others get the next best defenders which gives them a better chance, and our small forward get more opportunities from balls that go to ground rather the simply being marked uncontested by the opposition.

He also suits our bomb it in mindset which despite our suggestions, continues to go uncorrected

Exactly my line of thinking coach. If he takes 2 contested goal square marks early you just watch our forward 50 open up as they'll need to double team him.

The intercept marks inside forward 50 have to stop. I'm having flashbacks to the Adam Oxley game every week.

[Sir Why You Little 37,239]

6 minutes ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

Today was diabolical

For us members, being shareholders, I think we've reached the point (if we hadn't already) where we deserve an investigation into what has happened behind the scenes this year. It's been said a fair bit. But something stinks.

Yes we love our team. But we're also investors. And somebody, or a group of people out there, are wasting our money and faith.

^^^ This....

[picket fence 17,727]

1 hour ago, watchtheeyes said:

I really don’t see the point in getting carried away when we’re running half a VFL side out there..

The doomsdaying seems a bit blinkered! 

Richmond seem to be able to cover with some significant injuries, STOP MAKING EXCUSES!

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

I feel we’ve really over-rated our list.

We have one genuine A grader - Max Gawn.

I can name at least 10 midfielders I’d have over Oliver, and probably 20 before Brayshaw.

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18 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

 

Impossible to explain the inexplicable DZ.

See Nasher's post above for the obvious answer that most were calling for pre-match.

This is one VERY poor call and the one that tells me Goody just ain't getting it.

There are so many coaches that would be better for this club and this list right now ...here's just one example if he could be bothered (yeh yeh he's washed up and probably past it but couldn't be worse than Goody at selection and game day!)...

 

Got to wonder Does Goody drink his own bathwater and refuses to change his mindset??

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Got to wonder Does Goody drink his own bathwater and refuses to change his mindset??

No i actually think he is probably a champion guy of very nice make up and character PF.  One the players are happy to follow and see good in.  Unfortunately at this point (and not sure he ever will be but happy to be proven wrong as we have no choice stupidly signing him for another 3 years) he is not a very good AFL coach.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Rusty Nails

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I also thought the umpiring was very hood.

Razor ray doesn't get involved and makes excellent calls

[picket fence 17,727]

Got to wonder does Goody drink his own ego in refusing to watch Preliminary final fiasco and not change mindset at all??

If so we are in strife!

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32 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This club has shielded players from shiit efforts for years. It clearly doesn’t work. 

The Skill level of this club is deplorable, along with Leadership. Nothing to do with injuries. 

The MFC jumper is not respected and 50, 000 Members deserve to know why...

Neeld certainly didn’t shield them and you can argue during that period is probably the worst in club history. So clearly that doesn’t work either. 

The skill level is bad, the connection is bad but injuries play a big part and you’d have to ignorant to overlook that. If you look at our back 6, just about every first picked player is out injured. Jetta, Hibberd, Salem, May and Lever. Then you look at our forwards. Melksham, Vanders, Hannan, Smith, Nibbler. There’s another 5 of 6. The only area where we’ve had some stability is the midfield. And most games so far we’ve dominated in that area bar today. 

The season is done but let’s see if things change as we start getting some players back.

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2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

No i actually think he is probably a champion guy of very nice make up and character PF.  One the players are happy to follow and see good in.  Unfortunately at this point (and not sure he ever will be but happy to be proven wrong as we have no choice stupidly signing him for another 3 years) he is not a very good AFL coach.

I tend to agree and after all lets look at the Plethora of AFL coaches who seemed to shine as Assistants at AFL clubs who are succesful but when thrust into main Gig?? Bolton is an example At Hawks almost had Zen like aura. Sheeit where is he now??