POSTGAME: Rd 09 vs West Coast

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

On 5/18/2019 at 1:40 AM, Aus in Engerland said:

Remember that Margetts is a Freo supporter who hates WC, so it wouldn't have been a deliberate decision. His mother was a Fremantle politician and his partner is one of the Fyfe clan.

Jetta will get  a week. Seems the standard for that.

Fremantle supporters have a petition online requesting the AFL to remove Margetts and Dalgleish from all future Derby games because they are both self proclaimed West Coast supporters. Quote from a West Coast fan in the West Australian newspaper 2018- "Dean Margetts- he's always been pro-Eagles so we've done well." This article was about the intense rivalry between Freo and Eagles in the Derby. Everyone knows he is a West Coast supporter. Except the AFL it seems. AND YOU. Are you sure you don't follow West Coast Eagles? Posting misinformation to back up your views. 

Jetta should have got more than a week. That is my view. Disgraceful umpiring. A young man was concussed. I am supporting my club through bad times and good times. I will not kick them when they are down. I am SICK of all this criticism on this forum of my team which I have supported for over forty years.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Dame Gaga
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[Macca 16,972]

1 hour ago, binman said:

That is exactly right. Those sort of blocks occur at almost every marking contest with multiple players contesting. Gawn gets blocked like that all the time.

The other issue is where the free gets paid. That ridiculous decisions gifts them a goal, so a huge impact. The failure to pay a blatant throw (albeit one that is hard to see) gifts them another. 

When you consider the Smith error, which unquestionably was wrong and me likely would have resulted in a dees goal, and the fact we did not receive any frees for blocks that occurred near our goals then it is hard not argue the umpiring errors had a bearing on the result of the game (Yes, yes Macca we lost it with our rubbish kicks for goals so I AM NOT BLAMING THE UMPIRES). In isolation that is not great  but it happens.  But where it is the norm rather than the exception the supposedly elite competion has a real problem. And no amount of head I'm in the sand, let's not bag the umpires, it is a difficult game to umpire palaver will change that.

But lets be clear I don't blame the umpires , i blame the AFL for not biting the bullet and having professional umpires like other elite sports.

In practical terms when a team plays the Eagles in WA that team needs to be 5 goals better in order to eliminate the home town bias.

They have one of the most influential crowds in world sport but ... the same thing used to happen at Victoria Park,  Princes Park and Windy Hill to name just 3 other venues

The Yankees get a bigger strike zone at home,  Man Utd are famous for getting home stadium decisions and the New England Patriots are favoured at home too.  It is a staple of sport.  But not for every team.

I don't believe that home town bias has ever happened for us and that is largely due to the MCG not being that sort of venue (although supporters of interstate teams might disagree)

So we're up against it but again,  in practical terms,  can you see anything changing?  It never changed at Vic Park,  Princes Park or Windy Hill.  You couldn't buy a free at those venues.  I do agree with you about full time umpires but the AFL prefer to sit on their hands. 

'Shoudn't happen' is the catch-cry but 'does happen' is the reality.  Home town decisions aren't going away in a hurry.

Norm Smith had the answer ... bypass all that and just be better than all the other teams.  If we were 6 goals up at 3/4 time against the Eagles then this conversation probably wouldn't exist.

[Willmoy1947 4,096]

Max's palming was sublime Friday. Left and right handed. ....from an old "palmer"

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Damn correct. Identifiable roles for Preuss and Trac, perhaps. May, most certainly on return. There is a very fond series of memories about how effective - albeit unconventional - that Rodney Grinter was when needed and his run-on into the game as if nothing had happened. Uplifting for the Team. In his healthier days - about three years of tough stuff - Ray Biffen would also sort out a few transgressions as part of his game plan. It stomped out nearly all offences against Demon players. He had to wear a back brace as a result of his unquestionable sense of loyalty and commitment to the Team. Neitz would do it, at times, as well but subtlety was his forte and few transgressed in this regard once 'spoken to...'  We need a few father figures right now.

Yep.

Neita was a 50/50  not naturally overtly rugged/aggressive, almost needed coercing.  But when he did, he was fantastic dishing out some hard but fair plays. 

Whelan was totally natural in the role.

Grinter had a ni ce chip about his really skillful game. probably the best balance of skill/ruggedness.

A pity John Fidge Wasn't a bit quicker.   a very smart lumbering player with immense skills at forward craft, & a real Fidge trait of overt ruggedness.

 

Tracca,  I don't think Tracca has any natural  'mean'  within his entire persona...  much more Milton, than Hulk.

 

Where are our others... rugged players going to come from ???  

We saw how the Eagles had no qualms in dumping us,  or tunneling,  or cheating in some ways.. they play with graft.

 

We play,  far too Prim & Proper...   always have had a tendency at Melbourne,  because of the off-field persuasion,  mostly of the Nrth.  Is this because we are so abundant in law makers, or so conservative generally.  We are certainly not like the Romans with they're Lions.

 

Melbourne's conservative Off-filed elements,  have always squirmed when we have had some rugged player types plying their trade.  It's a particular persona type

 

Who are our current rugged players ?    I'd like us to name and count them. 

 

[Sorry kids 635]

Water under the bridge but if Hogan had played, we win that game.

[dimmy 1,307]

17 hours ago, Jaded said:

Two of the biggest D grade ruckmen going around.

Vardy got destroyed by Gawn, and his behavior towards him was seriously pathetic. Shows the lack of character from that entire club.

But this is a great example of why Gawn needs Preuss. Opposition teams continually batter and bruise him and eventually he will break. 

 

 

To be fair, Adam SImpson (in todays paper) had a a word to Vardy saying that is not how to earn respect for himself and the Club. Still not a good look. Compare that with Jarrod Roughhead (who does not take a backward step) in his VFL Game last week passing on something to his oponent . No doubt some win at all costs people will poo poo it, but there is a bloke who treats the game with respect.

[DV8 2,271]

10 hours ago, scarlett said:

We've trialed fristch why not petracca now hes a bit more match fit. Its either that or accept him being an ok player who can do elite things but also do the horrendous. 

I just don't know what Petracca's role should be,  with his weight to speed/endurance balance.   He hasn't contested enough contests over his AFL career to benefit the team

Hes a 1970's - 80's build... probably 70's,  to my mind.

 

I cannot believe Tracca can be 96Kgs...  as he appears to be,  as well.  How can his body manintain that weight...  IF he's doing all the training and Klms of an AFL player ?   Unless he is over-loading on carb's/sugars.!?

 

He strength imv,  is his hands...  and his feeding out the ball,  as we saw in at least one play,  to Hunt in the goal square.   He should be plying that skill in the centre.  But his weight is a detriment to that role of covering the ground.

 

My suspicion/worry,  is he is not as committed to the game as needs be,  to control his weight to that which suits a midfielder.

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Damn correct. Identifiable roles for Preuss and Trac, perhaps. May, most certainly on return. There is a very fond series of memories about how effective - albeit unconventional - that Rodney Grinter was when needed and his run-on into the game as if nothing had happened. Uplifting for the Team. In his healthier days - about three years of tough stuff - Ray Biffen would also sort out a few transgressions as part of his game plan. It stomped out nearly all offences against Demon players. He had to wear a back brace as a result of his unquestionable sense of loyalty and commitment to the Team. Neitz would do it, at times, as well but subtlety was his forte and few transgressed in this regard once 'spoken to...'  We need a few father figures right now.

The 80's Hawks had unsociable players in every sector of the field Dipper, Eade... Ayers and others, down back... Dermie, Matthews forward...   and they all swapped roles on occasions.

 

Obviously these days are not the 80's...  but the same intimidatory style of play,  is enough to make most lose some focus on the ball.  And the game is about focus,  and skills,  and maintaining the focus.   So the opposite is also true,  to be able to counter opponents focus.

These Are the tests to sort the best from the rest ... and the elite from the Best.

This is one of our unique parts to our game,  and politically correct others would want to cut it from the game.

Edited May 19, 2019 by DV8

[Deemania since 56 6,651]

18 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Yep.

Neita was a 50/50  not naturally overtly rugged/aggressive, almost needed coercing.  But when he did, he was fantastic dishing out some hard but fair plays. 

Whelan was totally natural in the role.

Grinter had a ni ce chip about his really skillful game. probably the best balance of skill/ruggedness.

A pity John Fidge Wasn't a bit quicker.   a very smart lumbering player with immense skills at forward craft, & a real Fidge trait of overt ruggedness.

 

Tracca,  I don't think Tracca has any natural  'mean'  within his entire persona...  much more Milton, than Hulk.

 

Where are our others... rugged players going to come from ???  

We saw how the Eagles had no qualms in dumping us,  or tunneling,  or cheating in some ways.. they play with graft.

 

We play,  far too Prim & Proper...   always have had a tendency at Melbourne,  because of the off-field persuasion,  mostly of the Nrth.  Is this because we are so abundant in law makers, or so conservative generally.  We are certainly not like the Romans with they're Lions.

 

Melbourne's conservative Off-filed elements,  have always squirmed when we have had some rugged player types plying their trade.  It's a particular persona type

 

Who are our current rugged players ?    I'd like us to name and count them. 

 

It is difficult to quantify and identify our 'rugged' players, currently. However, just general observation tells us that it is missing.

Even Viney has softened, somewhat, but for good reasons - he became a teamwork liability utilising rugged play and was often caught with the ball. That was not progress, at all, but it was inspirational at times.

Back to our game against the Eagles: we have three players with concussion (Salem, TSmith, ANB this week) a sign of the Eagles winning strategies (?) - and nearly a fourth (Gawn) after overriding continued bodily interferences and impacts against the rules in the tandem Eagles ruck efforts. He received a deliberate blow from Jetta who was celebrated for his big mark, leaving him (Gawn) on the ground, dazed and in pain; this leg-foot-body blow was step-ladderish and dangerously, wilfully executed.  It is amazing that not one free kick and caution emanated from the two umpires onfield who '...saw nothing... once again in the ruck duels. 

We needed Preuss to assist Gawn and to shelter to some extent those badly laid out. Jones also copped a beauty, likewise Lockhart and Hunt.

We are expected to believe (when it suits the AFL) that 'Such is footy, full of hard knocks'. Time for a few shirtfronts to check the validity of the rules....

[one_demon 826]

55 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I just don't know what Petracca's role should be,  with his weight to speed/endurance balanc

I cannot believe Tracca can be 96Kgs...  as he appears to be,  as well.  How can his body manintain that weight...  IF he's doing all the training and Klms of an AFL player ?   Unless he is over-loading on carb's/sugars.!?

 He should be plying that skill in the centre.  But his weight is a detriment to that role of covering the ground.

 

My suspicion/worry,  is he is not as committed to the game as needs be,  to control his weight to that which suits a midfielder.

Haven't the coaches seen enough of Petracca to see he's not a forward?  Or at least play him in the midfield more, maybe forty percent midfield. 

Also, I don't think he's as fit as he could be.  He needs to work really hard over the off season and get super fit.

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2019 by one_demon

[Neil Crompton 5,562]

Luv this site. Even when the content is not much chop, there is always the pleasure of trying to guess what the poster's (censored) word is. 

[Hunt29 275]

As much as we got screwed by the umpires, we shot ourselves in the foot by missing so many shots in the first 3 quarters. 

Jeffy and Trac could have closed  the game. Hopefully they can take confidence from the opportunities and kick a bit straighter next week. 

Marty Hore continues to be a great find. I thought Baker showed some good signs. Gawn was mammoth and Harmes continued some good form. I love Clarry and his effort but he needs to be more considered with his disposal. Also might be time for Gus to go back into the middle. Maybe Jones at half forward. 

[Deemania since 56 6,651]

59 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Luv this site. Even when the content is not much chop, there is always the pleasure of trying to guess what the poster's (censored) word is. 

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[Neil Crompton 5,562]

2 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

What the XXXXXXXXX do you mean, XXXXXXXXX? XXXXXXXXX difficult XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX to understand. Anyway, XXXXXXXX words are supposed to be interpretive of what some XXXXXX is XXXXXXXX raving on about. 

give me something harder to interpret next time 56

[Deemania since 56 6,651]

Just now, Neil Crompton said:

give me something harder to interpret next time 56

That was the best I could do, just found it a fun  comment from you. It demanded a reply but my skills in this regard are limited. Still smiling at the realisation. Have a good day.

[Neil Crompton 5,562]

3 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

That was the best I could do, just found it a fun  comment from you. It demanded a reply but my skills in this regard are limited. Still smiling at the realisation. Have a good day.

your upbringing must have been more refined than mine 56. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

7 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

give me something harder to interpret next time 56

[censored] [censored] [censored] [censored], [censored] [censored] banana. 

Edited May 19, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay

[Deemania since 56 6,651]

17 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This is a terrible take.

This is better.

There was no need whatsoever for Jetta to pin both of Smith's arms and drive him head first into the ground. There was no need for him to take Smith to the ground at all.

The tackle should have been penalised because it was dangerous. The suspension is the right decision, the free kick on the night was incorrect and it had a material impact on the game.

Something in my bones tells me that the next time Jetta (WC) plays against the Dees, someone will leave him with a calling card imprinted on his head and a fabulous little holiday in a recuperative ward somewhere. Vardy may well be a day patient at the same house of care (rumar sakit, in Bahasa).

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Yes!! Back to 15th spot thanks to Port.

[frankie_d 1,471]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

I just don't know what Petracca's role should be,  with his weight to speed/endurance balance.   He hasn't contested enough contests over his AFL career to benefit the team

Hes a 1970's - 80's build... probably 70's,  to my mind.

 

This - he looks like Dippa.

Not many other similarities, but same build, walk etc.

 

[frankie_d 1,471]

I get it that Frosty is limited, but how about playing him up on the wing when May/Lever get back?

Val Perovic - 6'4" in the old money - went from the Saint to Carlton - and the other way (from wing to defense).

We need the speed...

[binman 43,020]

4 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

I get it that Frosty is limited, but how about playing him up on the wing when May/Lever get back?

Val Perovic - 6'4" in the old money - went from the Saint to Carlton - and the other way (from wing to defense).

We need the speed...

I wondered if they might do that Friday night. Not the craziest idea, in part because playing him higher mitigates somewhat his biggest weakness - his kicking ie turnovers are not in such a dangerous spot.

[one_demon 826]

Hore is already a better defender than OMac.

[Demon Marty 119]

First thing after losing a game  you have to look at is your missed opportunities _ like not finishing set shots. Melbourne lost their own game. Damn shame because I thought their defensive effort was fantastic considering the makeshift backline.

Second thing is the umpiring _ for this Eagles crowd the hometown advantage kicks in. Were some bloody shockers by the umpires. Amongst the worst was the Kennedy flight ( into  Max's back  I think ) without getting to the ball : no free. Then going forward to take another mark and goal. There was the Tim Smith incident = joke. The Max incident could have been a reversal. There were frees paid against Melbourne for holding when there was no prior ( the stupid Weagles crowd crying BALL every bloody time the opposition gets tackled with the ball. F#@*'n mental. ) There was about three marks that were not paid. It goes on and on. 

I can't hack the umpiring over here - Dean Margetts has to go. He has Blue and Yellow glasses on. It's a joke. Interesting opinion piece by Fremantle supporter  : https://www.change.org/p/gillon-mclachlan-dean-margetts-jeff-daglish-no-more-derby-umpiring-games 

Don't like whinging about umpiring when you lose a game of your own accord. Though West coast were umpired back into it in the last quarter.

Bloody umpires......

 

 

 

[Redleg 40,944]

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Something in my bones tells me that the next time Jetta (WC) plays against the Dees, someone will leave him with a calling card imprinted on his head and a fabulous little holiday in a recuperative ward somewhere. Vardy may well be a day patient at the same house of care (rumar sakit, in Bahasa).

But that is the point, we don't.