On 05/05/2019 at 11:35, leave it to deever said:

Thought you said you didnt care.

I don’t care about the actual incident. I care that people make assumptions about a person and post them on the internet for all to read before they know the facts. 

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Ethan Tremblay

  On 05/05/2019 at 11:54, DubDee said:

Yeah im a Dub. Moved here as a kid in 88. Sean and Jim were why I started following the Dees. 

No doubt in my mind if you mouth off and tipped someone’s beers over back in the day you get a gut punch or worse. Agree on the lack of respect point

Where are you from, I moved here when I was 8 and started following the Dees then before Sean and Jimmy came over. went back twice  with my folks in the mid 80s and in the 90s by myself.

I'm from Tallaght but also lived in Crumlin 

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Pennant St Dee

(Instigate trouble and get banned) + (retaliate and get banned) = less troublemakers and a better football experience.

Also seems that bars at AFL games are exempt from responsible serving of alchohol regulations.

Knock the beer out of someones hand, covering them in beer that they paid for with their own money.

Get rightfully smacked for it.

Play the victim.

Receive the sympathy of the public who only see the words 'intellectual disability'.

 

The Hawks supporter should be banned for life.

#imwithbaldguy

Pretty disappointed to hear people waiting for the full story?

Under no circumstances is violence like that acceptable.

If the Hawthorn supporter was female would that make a difference?

its a passionate game but I would be horrified if I was there with my 7 year old girl who loves the Dees especially Clayton and saw this.

I love all sports but will not attend Melb Vic v Melb City to avoid incidents like this.

It’s 2019, it’s time for many of you to evolve.

I'd like to ban the Whorethorn clown behind me who screamed "C'mon the ...... Horrible ..... HAWKS!"  for 2hrs during the '88 GF.
But anyhoo.

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

sounds like two drinking dlckheads came together at the footy and caused a spectacle

both deserve some time in the sin bin

Pretty much sums it up DC.
If the AFL was up to their virtue signalling best they'd ban grog at the footy.
But we know that won't happen.
I get sick of people constantly squeezing past me to either get grog or go to the pizzer during games.
Go get grog, come back with 2 beers ..... Go to the pizzer, come back with more beers.
And then there's 5 fools doing that in your row.
Up down , up down ...... Just FO already.

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

  On 05/05/2019 at 13:18, Fork 'em said:

Pretty much sums it up DC.
If the AFL was up to their virtue signalling best they'd ban grog at the footy.
But we know that won't happen.
I get sick of people constantly squeezing past me to either get grog or go to the pizzer during games.
Go get grog, come back with 2 beers ..... Go to the pizzer, come back with more beers.
And then there's 5 fools doing that in your row.
Up down , up down ...... Just FO already.

Should be more dry seating areas.  and special drinking zones around the ground on most levels. maybe standing areas.?

 
With sound proof walls around 'em so I don't have to listen to every inane thought that comes into their sozzled heads.

 

 

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

Interesting discussion.  For my money I will say this:

• Being disabled or mentally ill is not a free pass to do anything you like with no consequences (very much like the "economy" really isn't a universal justification for anything our politicians want to do, no matter how much they might wish otherwise).  He is still perfectly capable of behaving in an acceptable manner in public. 
• Being a mindless drunk thug is likewise not a free pass to do anything you like with no consequences.  He is also still perfectly capable of behaving in an acceptable manner in public. 
• Violence should only ever be employed to protect people. 

I don't think either of them are blameless, but I will never know the whole story, so I can't really judge. 

  On 05/05/2019 at 10:33, Nasher said:

His point was that it was only a light bashing. It’s fine to bash someone if they mouth off a bit.

By the way, he has no idea what I have and haven’t seen.

And again.
Was hardly a bashing.
Lay off the drama.

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

How many of us will cop smart [censored] comments at work etc about this ?

Yeah me.
And then I'll  present the character witness on Dawk.TV.

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

It's disgrace that this guy gets exploited by hawk tv interviewer. Will these videos disappear suddenly. ?

Why is there this debate about this Hawthorn supporters mental capacity.  Like that was ever in question.  Pretty much all Hawks suporters are NQR in the head to the extent they are arrogant obnoxious turds.

I have read a lot of social media comments in regards to this Hawthorn bloke.

Apparently he gets quiet abusive at the footy and causes a lot of trouble against opposition supporters. I read there was an incident where he fully abused a woman saints supporter and her little daughter at the footy and other supporters had to step in and so did the police.

Obviously has form.....

Mr Ploegmakers, who has an intellectual disability, admits he threw beer on the Dees supporter but says the man had insulted him.

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by dazzledavey36

  On 05/05/2019 at 09:28, Fork 'em said:

Here's a taste of the Hawthorn supporter.
 

 

Looks and sounds pretty much like your average Hawthorn supporter to me.

"How many premierships have they won??"

I want to punch this guy in the head and he didn't even spill beer on me.

A saying that is appropriate to this situation - Don't poke the bear.

If this young man has an intellectual disability then he has truly been poorly ‘cared for’ by his carer.  Getting on Hawks TV so he can be ‘built up’, then not helped to define appropriate behaviours at the footy, and also not being cared for enough to not get near an opposition supporter if he cannot control his physical responses is all poor.

It all is so ‘hilarious’ to build him up and encourage him to carry on.  I doubt he would have been called these things bu the Nufti who hit him if he wasn’t ‘engaging’.  Then he is poorly managed to allow him into this situation if he has no ability to control his physical response.  

No one looks good here.  The young man is now scared to go the footy.  Hard way to learn a lesson that could have been better imparted by his ‘carers’ over time.  But then that is not as ‘funny’ as having a disabled bloke going off at the footy, is it?

The Nufti who punched him in the head will get done, society will demand it. (Punching someone in the head is an OTT response and does potentially lead to the terrible one-punch outcomes no-one wants to see).  But he also did not deserve to have his chilled beverage knocked all over him.

But I suspect this young man has been poorly ‘cared for’ in this instance, and leading up to the incident over time.

"'I'm outraged''.  

''No, I'm outraged''.

''I'm more outraged than you''.

''No-one could be more outraged than me''.

''Yes I can, I win at outrage''.

''I'm outraged that you think you're more outraged than me''.

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by ProDee

Love it when we beat Hawthorn... such amazingly sore losers.

Knocked a beer out of the blokes hands a copped a whack? 

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

  On 05/05/2019 at 10:54, Ethan Tremblay said:

If the ‘disabled’ guy threw the beer over the Melbourne supporter and the Melbourne supporter retaliated by punching him, he won’t even be charged. There’s plenty of defences to assault and he has one. 

Get what your saying, but it would appear there is too much separation between incidents for that to be relevant. Even with the Hawk's guy being the aggressor in this, the video clearly shows him walking in the other the direction and the Melbourne supporter catching up with him to punch him. Probably no chance of a self-defense argument in this context. 

Old mate deserved a punch in the head from all reports and I have little problem with it given the Melbourne bloke squared up to his face, gave him an opportunity to defend himself and didn't continue after the guy went down. That's about as civilized as a fight gets these days. 

Resorting to physical violence to me means that you have lost the argument.

I am a big fan of pointing to the scoreboard. (When we win) (Shutting up when we lose)

In an advanced society there is no place for punching people. Probably no place for public drunkeness  and no place for stupidity.

Violence is not a solution. For those advocating that the Hawthorn supporter got what he deserved I say an intelligent human would assess the situation and walk away knowing that there is no benefit in escalating the situation. An intelligent human will take in all available information (likelihood of CCTV for instance - or retaliation from hoards of opposition supporters - the possibility of accidentally killing someone and going to gaol) An intelligent human assesses  the information and makes informed decisions. An intelligent person does not put themselves or loved ones at risk. 

No one deserves to be hit. Some people need help and guidance, hitting is no solution. 

 

Pouring ones beer over another persons head, is actually a form of “physical violence”. 

 

Edited May 6, 20196 yr by PaulRB