When you have both Wagner's in your backline you're destined to lose. Why the [censored] didn't they swap tmac and fritsch

Seems Chaplin has given his defenders to a licence to play loose. Hibberd constantly chased possessions over watching his direct opponent. 

Goodwin is in charge of the game plan as a whole. The back 6 in isolation are only part of a much larger problem.

Agree Forest, it appears we went way too early on giving Goodwin an extension

Whilst not exactly good I thought in the periods of the game where the midfield and forward line gave the backline any kind of up the ground pressure they did pretty well. The first half really consisted of decent backline play for large chunks with awful midfield pressure at times creating easy St Kilda goals.

The 3rd quarter when we played a loose man behind the ball was probably worse than the first half.

On 4/6/2019 at 2:03 PM, Leoncelli_36 said:

I raised this at the time and people here said that club employees can support who they like and that he had played with the Toiges so it was fine for him to support them. I am still staggered that people can feel this way. He is either with us, or with them. Move him on. 

Perhaps he is a mole!!

56 minutes ago, Zoiikgarden said:

Perhaps he is a mole!!

Chaplin or Goodwin?

(Like TurnBull as a Liberal candidate) 

Edited April 20, 20196 yr by monoccular

2 hours ago, Elegt said:

When you have both Wagner's in your backline you're destined to lose. Why the [censored] didn't they swap tmac and fritsch

Because Tom McDonald isn't a good backman. In fact, he's ordinary. With ball in hand in the back half, he more than not [censored] it up. I'm certainly lost as to why they keep playing a clearly injured McDonald. I can only think they're trying to protest Weideman.

1 minute ago, A F said:

Because Tom McDonald isn't a good backman. In fact, he's ordinary. With ball in hand in the back half, he more than not [censored] it up. I'm certainly lost as to why they keep playing a clearly injured McDonald. I can only think they're trying to protest Weideman.

In the back half you can get away with punching the ball in the fwd line you're expected to mark it

4 hours ago, Zoiikgarden said:

Perhaps he is a mole!!

What are you sayin ?

Questioning his night time frolics ?  Maybe a tomcat, but a mole ?

Get Adem Yze  back home!

Looks like it might be time for a review and clean out of the FD.

Not just Chapman...

With Misson already moving on it's time for a few more to go.

22 minutes ago, rjay said:

Looks like it might be time for a review and clean out of the FD.

Not just Chapman...

With Misson already moving on it's time for a few more to go.

Yep, Ben Matthews too I feel. Got the most talented midfield going around and can’t win clearances.

At at the end of 2017, Collingwood brought in Garry Hocking and Justin Longmuir who had immediate effect. 

The FD needs at least two or three changes at season end. Starting with Misso, Chaplin and potentially Matthews.

#GoodwinOut 

If we were "connecting" in our forward half and kicking goals this would not be an issue. The weakness in our defensive structure was hidden last year as we were scoring so heavily, it didn't matter if they scored 80% of going into their 50.  We simply outscored them at the other end.  

We are dominating (Except after 1/2 time last night) generally in the middle but cannot score.  Our second qtr was much better in locking the ball into the forward 50, (Though that stopped after 1/2) so we can do it.  

Backline structure.  Our plan seems to be loose and then quickly rebound, and that worked last year as we started players behind the square and we outnumbered and could runt he ball out.  We cannot do that anymore so the backline need to change tactics.  We know stopped and slowly move the ball, we have lost that confidence to run.  While Hibberd is out of form, you can see him trying to quickly move the ball out of defence, as he has always done, simply this year he has no support.

We all wonder what the instructions are by Chaplin, is it his plan?  

A simple solution is to instruct all players to man up when behind the ball, standing on their goals side to stop them getting out the back.  So from the midfield back you are on a man when it goes into our 50.  They will still get it out, but it wont be quick ball movement thats killing us and it will give us time to push back and defend. We also need to stop our back-men running forward to cover the free playing in-between. In instantly creates a free player in their forward 50 half which they quickly exploit.  Fwd's and mids need to push and cover those men.  

Also we need to set up better around the ball or contests, all our guys run in leaving free players on the outside. I coach my under 10's not to do that.  Every player seems so ball focussed they don't talk to each other and there is no organisation.  Just like 3 our of jumping for the same ball spoiling each other creating a ground ball that the opposition run away with.

I can handle a better side running harder to beat us.  But with a few small changes in our players mindset we can reduce the number of goals against us.

We can all see the obvious problems why do they persist in our side and not at other teams.

 

On 4/5/2019 at 11:00 PM, Docs Demons said:

Not silly statements Mono. Roos got the fundamentals right by shoring up the defence then pushed us forward. JLT and last 3 games we have gone backwards. Can't blame backs entirely as mids like Jones do not get back to help.

Roos was better defensively but I also watched him recruit good decent footballers without pace. Top  10 picks on Salem and Tyson and prime example. Then just kept picking them.  These were his ‘types’. We are now left with a good hard tough football side with no balance. We spread like treacle and he is partly to blame. No balance. 

Do you have to be an average AFL player to become an assistant coach at MFC?

53 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Do you have to be an average AFL player to become an assistant coach at MFC?

 

I dont seen the connection to be a "Star" footballer and a great coach.  Highly gifted people often find it hard to get the best out of "average" people as they don't understand many of the challenges and how to overcome them.

Bets example is Clarkson, he had his traits as a player but not a star.  

Besides its a "team" guiding our club not a few individuals. 

 

I was talking about Assistant Coaches, so put a line through Clarko. Beyond that their are always exceptions. MFC cannot afford to be the exception to any rule. Do you really think modern day MFC players with access to all sorts of historical playing data on careers really respect average players as assistant coaches.  

6 hours ago, Dee Dee said:

Get Adem Yze  back home!

Stop looking at being an insiders club.   Every-time things get tough,  we look to past champs for help.  This is because we as a club and supporters,  are frightened to walk tall, and stand alone making our decisions.

 

Do what Clarko does,  and bring in good people from outside...  otherwise, we will become even more an inbred Club.

There are plenty of good assistants out there.

31 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Stop looking at being an insiders club.   Every-time things get tough,  we look to past champs for help.  This is because we as a club and supporters,  are frightened to walk tall, and stand alone making our decisions.

 

Do what Clarko does,  and bring in good people from outside...  otherwise, we will become even more an inbred Club.

There are plenty of good assistants out there.

Yze has the coaching runs on the board and is no where near an insider anymore. Get Yze!

8 minutes ago, Dee Dee said:

Yze has the coaching runs on the board and is no where near an insider anymore. Get Yze!

Yes he is...  he was footy bred,  under the old Melbourne culture.   stay away from our former players.   They cannot see the failure of our past culture,  they they exuded.

Its a no from me.

 

Lets get another top assistant from the Hawks... or other leading club,  if we must...  One who has never set foot IN-side the Mfc.

 

It is not time to return to go back to where we were culture wise.  We are making changes, that take a long time,  to achieve...  Lets not have those who see nothing wrong in how we "Went about it"  formerly.

Now is not the time to chicken OUT. 

 

The only thing that has happened to our current direction,  is that the  '666'  rule,  has left us impotent in 2019.

 

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Why are we keeping Misson after he has publicly put his papers and announced he is gone at seasons end? He has a terrible track record ruining multiple players careers, can’t get our fitness up to scratch and like most people who put papers, probably can’t give an [censored] about the long term health of the organisation. It seems we are playing many players injured now and at what cost? We should remove him now and get someone in who has the clubs long term interests at heart.

Edited April 21, 20196 yr by Grapeviney
Sacking thread merge

Just sack him and replace him with a VCR with a Tae Bo workout in it! 

 

22 minutes ago, olisik said:

Why are we keeping this guy after he has publicly put his papers and announced he is gone at seasons end? He has a terrible track record ruining multiple players careers, can’t get our fitness up to scratch and like most people who put papers, probably can’t give an [censored] about the long term health of the organisation. It seems we are playing many players injured now and at what cost? We should remove him now and get someone in who has the clubs long term interests at heart.

Just out of curiosity... who are the 'multiple players careers' he has wrecked?

Is there a club in the AFL that has not had players retire due to injury?

What should the players do when they turn up to training on Monday..?

Should everyone who is planning on leaving the end of a year (Roos, Jackson, etc.) resign immediately?

 

(people are really struggling with who to blame now that Oscar has been dropped)