Jump to content

  • Podcast      

Sign in to follow this  
binman

Impact of rule changes

Recommended Posts

On 1/28/2019 at 5:58 PM, Dee Dee said:

The grass at most(if not all) grounds is cut in 10 metre (light/dark) widths to help umpires gauge distances. Check it out next time you’re at the G, you’ll notice 5 widths from goal line to apex of 50 metre arc.

Of course that doesn’t mean the blind so and so’s don’t get it wrong from time to time😎.

Is it that noticeable standing on the ground? Certainly clear on tv and in the stands. When I've gone on for kick to kick after a game I haven't noticed it.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Re the new kick-in rule:  Is there a rule against a player from the team kicking-in blocking the man on the mark from effecting the run of the player kicking in?  (I assume he is subject to the same restrictions that apply elsewhere on the oval, but the effect at kick-ins may be very large.)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, sue said:

Re the new kick-in rule:  Is there a rule against a player from the team kicking-in blocking the man on the mark from effecting the run of the player kicking in?  (I assume he is subject to the same restrictions that apply elsewhere on the oval, but the effect at kick-ins may be very large.)

once the kickeriner moves outside the goal square it is play on for all concerned. whilst in the square the nominal man-on the mark can't be interfered with,

as i understand it the mark is set at 5 + 10 (now) metres in front of the square. but what about the sides of the square? is it 15m there too? they should use more diagrams to explain

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Facinating topic,   and no angst,   love it.   Some of you obviously put more thought into your football than I do.  

 

But I love reading the different ideas     Go Dees !!  

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, sue said:

Re the new kick-in rule:  Is there a rule against a player from the team kicking-in blocking the man on the mark from effecting the run of the player kicking in?  (I assume he is subject to the same restrictions that apply elsewhere on the oval, but the effect at kick-ins may be very large.)

From what I understand the umpires had a trial with the new rules last weekend and it left more questions than answers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, sue said:

Re the new kick-in rule:  Is there a rule against a player from the team kicking-in blocking the man on the mark from effecting the run of the player kicking in?  (I assume he is subject to the same restrictions that apply elsewhere on the oval, but the effect at kick-ins may be very large.)

Really interesting question. Players regularly stand close to the player on the mark to block that side. As I understand it there is no rule against doing so. As you point out doing that from 9 metros away would have more of an impact because the player kicking out would get much more space to run into.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The more I think about it, the more it appears that the combination of a dominant ruck punching forward and long to an uncontested and lightening fast lead receiver from the fwd line will benefit us.

As others have said, maybe this might be a new light for Garlett, to contribute to our i50’s, to our (also fast) TMAC on the lead as a set play?

Maxy might need a glove if he’s going to be punching long and forward regularly!

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

From what I understand the umpires had a trial with the new rules last weekend and it left more questions than answers.

Not surprising.  We can rely on the AFL to have interpretation of the week throughout the season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/28/2019 at 11:47 AM, binman said:

Kick-ins

  • At kick-ins, a player will no longer need to kick to himself to play on from the goal square.
  • Following a behind, the man on the mark will be brought out to 10m from the top of the goal square, rather than the existing five metres.  

Impact on competition:

  • Kick in player not kicking to himself will mean marginally quicker kick in, making it more difficult to cover the outlet kick
  • The 10 metre rule will really open up the field - a player who can kick 60 metres will get it to the centre almost
  • Together these two rules are very likely to help teams move the ball forward more quickly
  • The 10 metre rule is the that i think will create the most innovation from coaches and may end up having the greatest impact in terms of changing how the game is played - for example: the longest kicks might, rather than the most accurate, might take kick ins, we might see more torps (like the one Frost unloaded against the Hawks) and maybe a play will b to kick to space (and over presses) on the wings and let quick players  'race' to get it
  • Also coaches will need to come up with new defensive mechanism to maintain presses and stop quick transitions - and i have no doubt they will

Impact on dees:

  • As FarNorthernD points out the recruitment of May will benefit us with the new kick in rule he is long and accurate kick that should provide opportunities for very quick transition
  • But players like Frost and hunt, who are both quick and can kick long torps might get a crack at kick outs
  • Also Hunt with his speed might be a player who could run into space for long bombs kicked into space down a wing

Potential implementation and interpretation issues:

  • In terms of interpretation, without a line on the ground based on umpires inability to gauge 15 metre kicks i suspect they will regularly get the 10 metre wrong - they 'll probably let them run 20! - maybe they will need to put a dot 10 meters out
  • That said both rules easy to interpret and i don't really see any possible implementation issues - however as noted above i think these rules will have abig impact and no doubt a number of unintended consequences

This is the biggest one I think. 

Forwards will have to be trained not to take rushed shots on goal. If you get the ball forward somewhat quickly then snap a behind you're going to get ripped apart on the counter. Similarly no bombed entries to the goal line, any long kicks in have to land outside the goal square so you've at least got a margin to work with.

Kick out zones will have to be pulled back at least 5-10m.

If Hunt gets back in form he could be a weapon. 11m goal square + 20m run (you usually get 5 extra) plus 60m kick. That's getting the ball close to the 50m arc on some grounds if he goes right down the middle.

Similarly the rest of the defenders now have a chance to either go long or to hit up holes a spread out zone. We might send Gawn deep for a bomb as a decoy but have Salem hit up a short accurate kick up the middle 40m from goal who can then attack both sides of the ground.

Fritsch, KK and Vanders on the wings now become vital defensive and attacking players I think. If the ball goes up and down quickly then position play becomes important and the wingers will be the guys getting the bombed kick out to their direction. I'm glad we've got 188cm+ wingmen with strength overhead. Same with big mids. The only concern is we might need some even bigger ones to deal with the 195cm mids a few teams have!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Umpire contact

Players will be prohibited from setting up behind the umpire at centre bounces. 

Impact on competition: the only impact i can see is that some teams might run 'set plays' that involve setting up behind an umpire, or perhaps use the umpire to help break a tag. So minimal to no impact i would have thought

Impact on dees: see above

Potential implementation and interpretation issues:  who calls the free? obviously the officiating umpire can't, so would have to be one of the others. In which case they are a fair way away. What constitutes behind the umpire ie how far away can they be to not be deemed setting up behind the umpire? I assume there is a set distance, but how will a non officiating umpire measure it?

I'm predicting this rule will at some point result in a completely baffling free kick that changes the course of a game. I look forward also to the first time it is paid. I predict the commentators will give it an inordinate amount of air time. 

Edited by binman
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I noticed the effect of the "no goal square when kicking in from a behind" rule in the AFLW game. Many times the player kicking in was 20 metres from goal before kicking which really opened up the game. I think this might be a very successful rule change. (Of course, all it is really doing is getting rid of the need for players to kick the ball to themselves first.)  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/5/2019 at 9:41 PM, Wrecker45 said:

From what I understand the umpires had a trial with the new rules last weekend and it left more questions than answers.

Surely not. A highly professional body like the AFL would never introduce a half arsed idea. 😂😂😂

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, monoccular said:

Surely not. A highly professional body like the AFL would never introduce a half arsed idea. 😂😂😂

Of course not. They go with full arsed ideas only.

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Revised headline:  Average 1 on 1 defender says defending 1 on 1 is hard

I expect Melbourne and Collingwood with dominant ruckman and song midfields will lead the league in scores from centre clearances but other than that this rule will make little difference. Teams will too easily rotate to get spare defender back after 15 seconds

With the last minute of a game being the notable exception.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One of the best rules ever to be introduced was announced earlier this week with no fanfare. I can't even find the story on the AFL's website. But the AFL has announced a zero tolerance approach to punching. A free kick will be paid against the puncher every time. Hopefully the rule will be clear that it also includes elbows (which obviously will immediately replace fists by miscreants intent on niggling). It's a good change for many reasons. It stops taggers from impeding ball players the way they have been doing; it should reduce the "need" for retaliation and most importantly, it sends a message that violence in any form is unacceptable.

If anyone can find a link to the official announcement it would be useful to include it in this thread.

  • Like 4
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/14/2019 at 11:17 AM, ArtificialWisdom said:

Revised headline:  Average 1 on 1 defender says defending 1 on 1 is hard

I expect Melbourne and Collingwood with dominant ruckman and song midfields will lead the league in scores from centre clearances but other than that this rule will make little difference. Teams will too easily rotate to get spare defender back after 15 seconds

With the last minute of a game being the notable exception.

I hope we are not returning to having a Choir-Boy Midfield,  'AW' .

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/11/2019 at 2:43 PM, binman said:

Umpire contact

Players will be prohibited from setting up behind the umpire at centre bounces. 

Impact on competition: the only impact i can see is that some teams might run 'set plays' that involve setting up behind an umpire, or perhaps use the umpire to help break a tag. So minimal to no impact i would have thought

Impact on dees: see above

Potential implementation and interpretation issues:  who calls the free? obviously the officiating umpire can't, so would have to be one of the others. In which case they are a fair way away. What constitutes behind the umpire ie how far away can they be to not be deemed setting up behind the umpire? I assume there is a set distance, but how will a non officiating umpire measure it?

I'm predicting this rule will at some point result in a completely baffling free kick that changes the course of a game. I look forward also to the first time it is paid. I predict the commentators will give it an inordinate amount of air time. 

Back in the good old days we used to use the umpire as a shield to break a tag.

When the ump bounces the ball and moves back there is a space between him and the ball, the plan was for the ruck to tap to a mid moving through that space.

All those who used to complain about Jamar tapping short, well this was a similar tactic they were trying to pull off.

Notice I said trying, not necessarily working and of course the opposition would be trying something similar.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On 2/15/2019 at 12:09 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

One of the best rules ever to be introduced was announced earlier this week with no fanfare. I can't even find the story on the AFL's website. But the AFL has announced a zero tolerance approach to punching. A free kick will be paid against the puncher every time. Hopefully the rule will be clear that it also includes elbows (which obviously will immediately replace fists by miscreants intent on niggling). It's a good change for many reasons. It stops taggers from impeding ball players the way they have been doing; it should reduce the "need" for retaliation and most importantly, it sends a message that violence in any form is unacceptable.

If anyone can find a link to the official announcement it would be useful to include it in this thread.

Here's some media coverage of the AFL's Umpires' Coach discussing the punching ban

I expect the AFL will eventually realise that it doesn't go far enough and will also include elbows as well as closed fists.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmmm. I like this whiner less and less each day.  

I'm in the camp of 'leave the effin game alone', but his words are just stupid. I really hope he was taken out of context.

[censored] teams will get smashed - um yeah. That is what happens to [censored] teams. Always has, always will.

But it will make it easier to make a comeback - um yeah. Not even sure what to say after point A.

Just go away. Get sacked. [censored] off. You are that annoying kid at school that was always dobbing the rest of us in for having a smoke or copping a feel behind the shelter sheds.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    LANDSLIDE by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons enjoyed the better of their first half against Port Melbourne on Saturday but fell away badly after half time to lose by 43 points. The Borough enjoyed the early break with the game’s opening two goals but the Demons took control to go out to an 8 point lead at quarter time, an advantage that it held for most of the second term until a late goal to the visitors clawed the lead back to a point.  The Casey ruck of Braydon Preuss and Liam Wale-Buxton were on top for most

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles 1

    SHOULD HAVE ... COULD HAVE by George on the Outer

    West Coast finally put the nail in the Demons 2019 season coffin with a 16 point win, but it was a game that Melbourne should have, could have, but didn’t win. Once again woeful, truly woeful work in the forward line, both kicking for goal and the lazy, cheap efforts of some let the side down. A solitary goal in the final quarter and only 9 goals from 24+ scoring opportunities was the costly difference in the game. The selectors, once again, made a critical error in not selecting

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SCREAM by Whispering Jack

    The Norwegian Expressionist artist Edvard Munch painted a number of versions of his famous work “Scream” and, every time my mind goes back to last year’s Preliminary Final at Optus Stadium between Melbourne and the West Coast Eagles, each and every one of them reverberates through my mind as if my head is being pummeled by a sledgehammer.  When I think of that half time scoreboard from that match showing West Coast at 10.9.69 to Melbourne 0.6.6, I feel like the man standing by the railing,

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    NOT GAWN IN 60 SECONDS by George on the Outer

    You might recall a regular segment that once featured on the MFC website entitled, “Gawn in 60 Seconds”, in which Maxy would ask the hard questions of his teammates. However, there was no harder question asked than the one asked collectively of the whole team in the last 60 seconds of Saturday’s game against the Gold Coast Suns.  It was either follow me and my example or the Demons’ season, already hanging flimsily by huuua thread, would be truly “Gorn”.  It was at that stage when thos

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    BOILOVER by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons caused the boilover of the season to date when they took on and beat the undefeated ladder leaders Essendon VFL by 41 points at Windy Hill.  The stunning result which was achieved with a season low of eight AFL-listed players, will surely kickstart the Demons’ ailing season after they lost their last two matches as a result of some poor third quarter fade outs against quality opposition. Casey got off to a great start with a mid-air soccer volley goal from Jimmy Munro

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by Whispering Jack

    There would be very few among us who would have thought realistically at the start of the season that by the time Melbourne’s Round 8 trip to the Gold Coast came around, the visitors would not only be languishing in 16th place on the ladder, but also be sitting a game behind their hosts. In fact, had the Suns managed to goal late in their opening game against the Saints which they lost by a mere point, the gap between the two sides would have been even wider. Such has been the humiliation o

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    UNDERDOGS by KC from Casey

    Thanks to the large injury list at Melbourne, the Casey Demons went into their fifth round clash with Footscray VFL as the underdogs and despite a courageous showing up to half time after conceding the game’s first four goals, their third quarter fade out saw them fall short against quality opposition for the second time in a week. Casey went into the game with only 9 AFL listers after Declan Keilty was called up to make his debut when Tim Smith was forced to pull out of the Melbourne team

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    IN THE PINK by George on The Outer

    A five point victory against the eternal nemesis in Hawthorn, didn’t put the Demons back in the black for the 2019 season ... but rather, it added a touch of pink to their fortunes, now showing some sign of life after an underwhelming start to the year. And pink was the most appropriate colour for the side and the supporters, given this game was the annual “Pink Ladies” match.  And none more so than this proud Demon fan who turned up to add his support to the cause and his team at the same

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    EASIER SAID THAN DONE by The Oracle

    There is no way of getting around the fact that Melbourne is the disappointment team of the AFL competition and, because it came into the season as a big top four fancy and now sits stone motherless last with a 1-5 win-loss record, it is fast becoming a laughing stock.  The only way in which the Demons can restore any sense of pride, let alone its rapidly diminishing hopes of making the finals is for it to overcome Hawthorn on Saturday in the replay of last year’s preliminary final. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    POINT CRASH by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons went down by the narrowest of margins to a strong Richmond VFL combination in the Round 4 game at Casey Fields on Saturday after a rushed behind  to the Tigers in the game’s dying moments broke the deadlock. In a low scoring game, Casey took the early ascendency after conceding the first goal and held their lead for most of the first half going into the sheds at the main break with an 8 point lead. The Demons were led in defence by key position players, Oscar McDonald

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THE LAST POST by George on the Outer

    The Last Post sounded out in memory of the fallen around a packed MCG at the Anzac Eve match against Richmond. The silence of the crowd assembled was in tribute to those who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. But the Last Post was also an appropriate symbol of the finals aspirations now gone for the Melbourne Football club, after a mere six rounds of the 2019 Season.   How far has this team fallen!  From a Preliminary final contestant barely six months ago, to cellar dwelle

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE BRIGHT SIDE by Whispering Jack

    I don’t often agree with Dermott Brereton but he came close to the mark last week when he labelled Melbourne a “team of downhill skiers” that works much harder offensively than it does defensively.  And he was looking at the bright side of the team’s game plan. That proposition has been clear since before the season started. It was obvious from the first JLT game against Richmond when the team leaked multiple goals in a short space of time as players gave metres away to opposition forwards.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

×
×
  • Create New...