Just now, The Chazz said:

Who do I think I am?  I'm the bloke you're misquoting.  I have every right to correct you and steer you on the right path even if you're too ignorant to follow it.

Chazz you may be delusional. How can I misquote you when I directly quote you? As they say, don't argue with fools. Cheers.

3 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Chazz you may be delusional. How can I misquote you when I directly quote you? As they say, don't argue with fools. Cheers.

I wonder the same thing.  You implied that I thought the club wasn't prepared for Hogan's departure, and questioned me on this.  I think we know who the fool is.

Cheers to you.

2 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I wonder the same thing.  You implied that I thought the club wasn't prepared for Hogan's departure, and questioned me on this.  I think we know who the fool is.

Cheers to you.

Tend to agree with you, Chazz; there was some confusion that became more confusing amongst the confused supporters and no doubt, with the Club itself on Hogan's coming or going, for quite a few weeks with some very memorable media 'argy-bargy' and sensationalism in the very mix; this also contained the very exposing and somewhat contradictory statements from the inner sanctum of loud mouths and supporters. Loyalty to the Club was everything, in fact, and it collapsed as the nay-sayers suggested earlier, very sadly. Well, the cycle has turned with Hoges no longer at the Club, finding what he feels were greener pastures but we cannot despair, his game and the evolving game plan at the Dees were becoming less associable, less exacting and less effective. We now look to have a multi-pronged attack and better users of the ball. Let's all hope it can send us to heaven.

In attempt at harmony. 

I asked, "You think the club haven't been planning this for quite some time?"  #67

That was a question not a statement. Rather than name calling you could have said ' I think that they have been. 

Anyway, I shall chalk this up to a misunderstanding. Go Dees

5 hours ago, The Chazz said:

I don't think so, DD.  I think it was more a case of the Geelong players realising that the Weid/Danger moment summed up their night.  They were rooted and they knew it.

I've never seen Geelongs prised midfield just absolutely beaten up like they were that night.
Danger, Selwood, Ablett and Duncan just physically smashed.
Never been prouder as a melbourne supporter.

 

Edited January 23, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

4 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

I've never seen Geelongs prised midfield just absolutely beaten up like they were that night.
Danger, Selwood, Ablett and Duncan just physically smashed.
Never been prouder as a melbourne supporter.

 

I'm still watching that replay time after time.  but I only have parts of the 2nd half recorded. ?

15 hours ago, DV8 said:

I'm still watching that replay time after time.  but I only have parts of the 2nd half recorded. ?

Full game.
Just does not get old ?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GDRDtbQeo8Xgc1tpxOLWHhFYP8inGKbE/view?fbclid=IwAR3RMPQ8fdjrf0Tamv4e6mGykQk8fDSmX4x8SFA_clfHOeIUL9xCopv5dbI

 

Edited January 24, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

4 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Full game.
Just does not get old ?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GDRDtbQeo8Xgc1tpxOLWHhFYP8inGKbE/view?fbclid=IwAR3RMPQ8fdjrf0Tamv4e6mGykQk8fDSmX4x8SFA_clfHOeIUL9xCopv5dbI

 

gawd... just clicked on it,  and the 1st thing I see is ed's old mug staring at me.

On 1/23/2019 at 8:21 AM, The Chazz said:

Uncle, if you are going to say that there will be a league-wide increase in scoring of 5%, then all teams will be in the same boat.  But it would then also be fair to presume that our current forwards should also see an increase in their goal kicking tally by the same amount.

Given that we won't be kicking many bombs to a demanding Hogan, and are actually lowering our eyes more going forward, I think it's a fair expectation that TMc, Melksham, Petracca, et al will see their yearly totals surpass that 5% increase that you speak of.

It's fact that we play better football when Hogan isn't in the team.  We are less predictable going forward, and seem to hit the best target more often.  Even though, as you say, Hogan is taking 47 goals with him to Freo, I would actually expect our scoring to increase anyway (even if there weren't any rule changes).

Hogan isn't taking 47 goals. He didn't create those goals from thin air. In many cases if he didn't kick those goals another player would have.

So much History is being rewritten since Hogan left. 

He kicked 47 goals and also assisted in many others

The forward line will be completely different with his absence. Better or worse? Time will tell

But Hogan was a dam good mobile player, far better than the credit he is given. 

I hope the Weid is a better option, but he is not there yet. 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So much History is being rewritten since Hogan left. 

He kicked 47 goals and also assisted in many others

The forward line will be completely different with his absence. Better or worse? Time will tell

But Hogan was a dam good mobile player, far better than the credit he is given. 

I hope the Weid is a better option, but he is not there yet. 

Hogan was an exceptional player and I doubt that the move west will diminish his powers at all.

However, if our structure can hold up and function as well as it did for the final two rounds of the H&A and the first two weeks of the Finals, then we’re onto a good thing.

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So much History is being rewritten since Hogan left. 

He kicked 47 goals and also assisted in many others

The forward line will be completely different with his absence. Better or worse? Time will tell

But Hogan was a dam good mobile player, far better than the credit he is given. 

I hope the Weid is a better option, but he is not there yet. 

I love what Hogan could have brought but time started ticking after the Sydney game last year so we already have some evidence.

2018 Record. With Hogan, wins against final top 8, 0 out of 6. Hogan kicked 8 goals

Without Hogan, 4 out of 5. Weids kicked 8 goals.

Hogan is a huge talent.  We didn’t make the most of his speed which is what should set him apart. But for all his strengths attitude was and is questionable and forward pressure was poor.  We’ll perform far better if Weids kick 30 goals but simply applies pressure.  Good exhibit is the Port game last year where we kicked 9 goals from over 60 forward 50s and Hogan’s direct opponent was BOG.  I doubt Weideman let’s that happen.

 

1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

But for all his strengths attitude was and is questionable 

 

In what way was his attitude questionable at the MFC? 

He was among the top trainers each and every pre-season, and came back quickly from injuries and the cancer scare. 

At the half-way point of last year, he was the hardest-running KPP in the competition and in AA form. 

If you’re talking about his occasional body language, sure, but what age did Jack Riewoldt stop sooking? 

Every player has flaws, and who knows what the future will bring, but I don’t think you can fault his commitment to the cause during his time with us. 

Edited January 26, 20196 yr by Grapeviney

1 hour ago, Grapeviney said:

In what way was his attitude questionable at the MFC? 

He was among the top trainers each and every pre-season, and came back quickly from injuries and the cancer scare. 

At the half-way point of last year, he was the hardest-running KPP in the competition and in AA form. 

If you’re talking about his occasional body language, sure, but what age did Jack Riewoldt stop sooking? 

Every player has flaws, and who knows what the future will bring, but I don’t think you can fault his commitment to the cause during his time with us. 

You could certainly fault his commitment to chase. His second efforts were notable for how infrequent they were.

 

1 hour ago, Grapeviney said:

In what way was his attitude questionable at the MFC? 

He was among the top trainers each and every pre-season, and came back quickly from injuries and the cancer scare. 

At the half-way point of last year, he was the hardest-running KPP in the competition and in AA form. 

If you’re talking about his occasional body language, sure, but what age did Jack Riewoldt stop sooking? 

Every player has flaws, and who knows what the future will bring, but I don’t think you can fault his commitment to the cause during his time with us. 

I couldn’t fault his commitment and the way he trained.  He trains hard and presented fit, but for the quickest player in the league last year (according to Champion data) he didn’t chase and tackle and that is just down to attitude.  I was hoping the club would get him to work on that and improve it but if he does it isn’t with us.

4 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Hogan was an exceptional player and I doubt that the move west will diminish his powers at all.

However, if our structure can hold up and function as well as it did for the final two rounds of the H&A and the first two weeks of the Finals, then we’re onto a good thing.

I’d like Hogan to do really well this year.  Considering we only play Freo once at the G, I hope Freo win every game in Perth as that will help us.  But I think Weideman will kick more goals than Hogan in 2019.  Mainly because Jesse will get a lot less opportunity and Freo move the ball at snail pace which does not suit his game.

3 hours ago, Watson11 said:

I love what Hogan could have brought but time started ticking after the Sydney game last year so we already have some evidence.

2018 Record. With Hogan, wins against final top 8, 0 out of 6. Hogan kicked 8 goals

Without Hogan, 4 out of 5. Weids kicked 8 goals.

Hogan is a huge talent.  We didn’t make the most of his speed which is what should set him apart. But for all his strengths attitude was and is questionable and forward pressure was poor.  We’ll perform far better if Weids kick 30 goals but simply applies pressure.  Good exhibit is the Port game last year where we kicked 9 goals from over 60 forward 50s and Hogan’s direct opponent was BOG.  I doubt Weideman let’s that happen.

 

Thanks Watson 

Those stats maybe say a bit about an individual player’s involvement and commitment in pressure games. 

Weed’s chasing, tackling and pressure has been streets ahead of Jesse, as well as his set shot goal kicking routines, and outcomes. 

I'll be far more confident when the Weed has a set shot at goal than Hogan.
He'll be walking in holding the ball on the correct side of his body for a start.
Who knows, he might even bang a few from outside fiddy as a true power forward should.
And as a couple posters have alluded to above.
I can't remember a single big tackle from Hogan but I remember several from Weideman.
Weed showed he's got all the tools in the Geelong final with sure hands,  good disposal by both hand and foot, can clunk the big mark and kick the pressure goals.
With another pre-season under his belt and the confidence boost from his game in the final,  we'll have a forken ripper.

 

Edited January 26, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

On 1/23/2019 at 11:38 AM, Moonshadow said:

 

For what it's worth. I know a chap who barracks for the Lions, an ex Fitzroy fanatic, who has known our Weidemann since he went to school with his daughter of the same age. He has followed his progress through the various under age competitions - he grew up in Vermont, a very strong Aussie Rules football region - and he vows he has not seen anyone with the same ability, potential and attitude. He was critical of some aspects of Weidemann's Finals games - he said he is still not running in and imposing himself the way he did when he was a junior, adding, but that will come when he gains self belief and more confidence.

I also saw him kick 6 goals in the first half against a strong Box Hill side in 2017. When that player presents - as he already has against Geelong in last year's Final - consistently, as he did that day, we will no longer be having this meaningless debate about what have we lost now that Jesse has gone.

The bottom line is, he's gone, ta ta, over and out, like Watts, like Frawley, like lots of players who have left the Melbourne Football Club. In the meantime, the Melbourne Football Club as it stands now is poised to go to the next level. When Hogan left, he left a great opportunity for  Weidemann to grow and blossom. I am confident we will have lost nothing, just as I am confident that Hogan will kick the odd bag for Freemantle, just as I am confident that this outcome will be, So What?

4 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

I'll be far more confident when the Weed has a set shot at goal than Hogan.
He'll be walking in holding the ball on the correct side of his body for a start.
Who knows, he might even bang a few from outside fiddy as a true power forward should.
And as a couple posters have alluded to above.
I can't remember a single big tackle from Hogan but I remember several from Weideman.
Weed showed he's got all the tools to make it in the Geelong final with sure hands below,  good disposal by both hand and foot, can clunk the big mark and kick the pressure goals.
With another pre-season under his belt and the confidence boost from his game in the final,  we'll have a forken ripper.

 

Fork on through the rain, as Gerry and the Pacemakers once sang...

On 1/24/2019 at 11:01 AM, Fork 'em said:

Full game.
Just does not get old ?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GDRDtbQeo8Xgc1tpxOLWHhFYP8inGKbE/view?fbclid=IwAR3RMPQ8fdjrf0Tamv4e6mGykQk8fDSmX4x8SFA_clfHOeIUL9xCopv5dbI

 

thankyou .... watched it again 

is the hawthorn final around ?

On 1/23/2019 at 2:45 AM, Dee Zephyr said:

Weid is flying so far under the radar he’s not even listed in any Coleman Medal market. I don’t believe he will win it, just curious to see what one of our two main tall forwards was showing. 

A two goal per game average is doable for the Weid, exciting times ahead, especially with the new rules in place. Get the ball in quick from the centre and watch T Mac and Weid showcase their great marking abilities.

Interesting the spread is from $5 to $251 on these players.For sure Weid at 251 plus is a reasonable bet. I would have thought 50:1 would have been the right price considering the mids we have.

Sorry about the cut and paste on phone format was terrible.

Joshua Kennedy (WCE)5.00

Lance Franklin5.0

Ben Brown 8.00

Tom J. Lynch (Rich) 9.00

Tom McDonald 10.00

Joe Daniher 12.00

Jack Riewoldt 15.00

Tom Hawkins 15.00

Jesse Hogan 18.00

Jack Darling 21.00

Jeremy Cameron 21.00

Jordan De Goey 21.00

Jack Gunston 34.00

Taylor Walker 34.00

Charlie Curnow 41.00

Charlie Dixon 41.00

Luke Breust 41.00

Eddie Betts 51.00

Eric Hipwood 51.00

Josh Jenkins 51.00

Robbie Gray 51.00

Mitch McGovern 67.00

Toby Greene 67.00

Dustin Martin 81.00

Mason Cox 81.00

Patrick Dangerfield 81.00

Daniel Menzel 101.00

Harrison Himmelberg 101.00

Jack Ziebell 101.00

Jake Stringer 101.00

Jamie Elliott 101.00

Josh Caddy101.00

Tim Membrey101.00

Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti151.00

Jade Gresham151.00

Jamie Cripps151.00

Jarryd Roughead151.00

Paddy Ryder151.00

Willie Rioli151.00

Jaidyn Stephenson251.00

Josh Thomas251.00Mark Lecras

 mark lecrae 251.00

Will Hayward 251.00

Will Hoskin-Elliott 251.00

The bookies are only really worried about the top 6 or 7 players.  The rest is highly correlated to the stupidity of each teams supporters.  It's why they didn't bother with any other MFC players but put odds on 6 of Collingwood.

On 1/23/2019 at 3:20 PM, Fork 'em said:

I've never seen Geelongs prised midfield just absolutely beaten up like they were that night.
Danger, Selwood, Ablett and Duncan just physically smashed.
Never been prouder as a melbourne supporter.

 

Just so glad I got to see it in the flesh! Being the one game I attended (living in Sydney), it was the right choice! Such a great game!!!

6 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

Just so glad I got to see it in the flesh! Being the one game I attended (living in Sydney), it was the right choice! Such a great game!!!

The Dees had attitude, that game. Had not seen it like that for many years, only in last-ditch patches (eg: when Farmer kicked nine}.

Edited January 28, 20196 yr by Deemania since 56