Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Ethan Tremblay 30,966]

1 minute ago, samcantstandya said:

FM don't know how a scared in headlights type player like JKH could ever fill the void of a power forward with a huge tank like Hogan.

He was having a laugh. 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Jibroni 5,009]

52 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

Still think we'll end up with Pick 6 & a future first rounder.

Pick 6 along with Garlett & future 3rd round pick gets us May, KK and rights to a VFL player (Lockhart). Gives us 2 first rounders the following year to either offer up for trade for Kelly or take to the draft.

Rather keep the pick and draft Rozee and make a play for May next year.

Would can use a later pick to get KK,.

 

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54 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

 

Pick 6 along with Garlett & future 3rd round pick gets us May, KK and rights to a VFL player (Lockhart).

Hell no.  Pick 6 has to get us a superstar.

[adonski 12,427]

7 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Rather keep the pick and draft Rozee and make a play for May next year.

Would can use a later pick to get KK,.

 

Seen a few comments suggesting to grab May next year when he's a FA but I have to disagree. I'm of the thought like others that O. Mac & Frost in the same backline probably doesn't yield a premiership, with that being said, and without being dramatic, every year from here on in is a failure if the Dee's do not reach the ultimate success, waiting an extra twelve months for a player to become a FA or out of contract etc just doesn't cut it with me. Just my 2 cents!

Edited September 29, 2018 by adonski

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I was enamoured with Hogan when he came because I saw a star when we had none. Now we have a little bit of a constellation emerging and I am comfortable with it. 

And I can see the opportunity to balance our list. We should play a second ruck to help Gawn. We have a midfield to win any game. We have no tall defender that can compete with the best forwards in the game.

So I hope we can turn this unfortunate situation into something that makes us.

Edited September 29, 2018 by rpfc
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4 hours ago, Jaded said:

yet I feel that he has never truly been a Melbourne man.

This is just speculation. From what the players and staff say, that would appear to not be the case.

I don't think we can ignore the personal journey he's been on for the last couple of years: father, cancer, then a succession of serious injuries. Perhaps he feels like he needs to restart from a clean slate, and if that's the case, hard to argue with.

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15 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I was enamoured with Hogan when he came because I saw a star when we had none. Now we have a little bit of a constellation emerging and I am comfortable with it. 

And I can see the opportunity to balance our list. We should play a second ruck to help Gawn. We have a midfield to win any game. We have no talk defender that can compete with the best forwards in the game.

So I hope we can turn this unfortunate situation into something that makes us.

Have to agree with this.

We have a chance to trade someone like Hogan who wants to return to WA for possibly something quite remarkable.

if it secures two top 10 picks that allow us to pick up May, KK and still retain a high pick, to possibly offload some salary and secure Gaff... that could potentially be an incredible return!! considering losing him and still having TMac and Weid up front, strengthening our defence and possible getting two players who can play on the outside with pace with good foot skills... and still with a top 10 pick in the pocket to play with. 

One player can unlock that for the club... remember we also have some picks likely to come back in for both Kent and possibly Vanders as well!

Edited September 29, 2018 by Ouch!

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20 minutes ago, adonski said:

Seen a few comments suggesting to grab May next year when he's a FA but I have to disagree. I'm of the thought like others that O. Mac & Frost in the same backline probably doesn't yield a premiership, with that being said, and without being dramatic, every year from here on in is a failure if the Dee's do not reach the ultimate success, waiting an extra twelve months for a player to become a FA or out of contract etc just doesn't cut it with me. Just my 2 cents!

I’m with you Adonski. Opportunity is knocking on the door with May now when we have the post-Hogan trade currency to nab him from under the noses of Collingwood and others. Who’s to say what the landscape will be in 12 months when he becomes an RFA? Maybe a host of other clubs get involved and one trumps our offer. Maybe our hands are tied because of another impending trade. Circumstances change. 

You strike while the iron’s hot in this situation.

[Deemania since 56 6,716]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

All players have them but Jesse's particular flaws are unfortunate in terms of our game plan and personnel. 

Can't kick from distance. 

Lack of forward defensive pressure.

Slow to move it on by foot.

Limited pack-marking ability. 

That said, he is a highly talented forward with fantastic aerobic capacity who can also run the wings/pinch in the middle. Good-to-middling accuracy and decent on the lead. Still also developing. Will be a great get for Freo in the long-run if they build around him. 

But with our high pressure forward press and fast and contested 'move-it-forward' game-plan (including long bombs from the centre - tsk tsk) he is already the awkward fit. We don't need him in the middle, and on the spread of the above-mentioned good and bad traits, Tommy has him covered on several of the pro elements and Weid looks set to be better in one or two.

In conjunction, our forwards (and mid-field) have all the required combined traits that Jesse brings - as evidenced by our ability to keep winning without him in the line-up.  From a supporters perspective, I think this awareness is already apparent in the relative calm which followed his injury in the lead-up to our finals push and campaign.  We can manage without him. 

From a footy department perspective, I think this mind-set will be evidenced by us not actually chasing a key forward replacement. The otherwise confusing inclusion of Preuss suggests we're looking to re-balance our spread of key forward traits - with Preuss as an intended upgrade on Pedo - who was also stuck in the middle of personal attributes and team requirements. 

Add the fact that this is our big chance to capitalise in trade cookies at the same time as putting the 'will-he-won't-he' disruption to rest, and we're about to come way out on top - plugging some required holes such as with the inclusion of May and not giving up too much as to needs. I personally believe that this will be the lucky forced hand which delivers us a premiership. 

 

 

Clearly put and well put. Straightens out many thoughts in my head, at least. Hogan is a loss - but it is a well-managed loss - so you are correct. I do think that with the MFC FD training intention, Preuss may well turn out to be that rucking deep forward upon whom more wins and a top four finish might rest. Pedo just needed a few more yards; Preuss well-trained should provide these.

[Jibroni 5,009]

34 minutes ago, adonski said:

Seen a few comments suggesting to grab May next year when he's a FA but I have to disagree. I'm of the thought like others that O. Mac & Frost in the same backline probably doesn't yield a premiership, with that being said, and without being dramatic, every year from here on in is a failure if the Dee's do not reach the ultimate success, waiting an extra twelve months for a player to become a FA or out of contract etc just doesn't cut it with me. Just my 2 cents!

Fair call but I’m not giving up Pick 6 for S May alone as he is simply not worth it IMO. If we are going to have a sustained period of success we still need to build the list, hopefully the FA will come naturally.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,274]

Pretty disloyal by Hogan if all this talk is true. The club has been very supportive of him over the years.

[MadAsHell 4,215]

45 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Hell no.  Pick 6 has to get us a superstar.

Chris Yarran, Gary Rohan, Reece Conca, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-Seton. One of those superstars?

We're in Premiership window territory now. I'm more concerned about what improves us immediately as opposed to in 5 years. 

Don't forget, in order to get May this year, it needs to be a trade that entices Gold Coast to trade him now as opposed to holding onto him for 12 months. Pick 10 wont be enough for May.

 

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I may have missed by I haven’t heard anyone who matters say anything as yet.

in October flirt is a business, but to win flags it needs to be a family.

if Jesse doesn’t want to go, be careful about falling in love with picks. They are hope and Jesse is a 4/5 year player who is blossoming.

When a star is traded in any sport rarely do  you get $1 for $1. Star forwards are hard to find and we have one....

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7 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

Chris Yarran, Gary Rohan, Reece Conca, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-Seton. One of those superstars?

We're in Premiership window territory now. I'm more concerned about what improves us immediately as opposed to in 5 years. 

Don't forget, in order to get May this year, it needs to be a trade that entices Gold Coast to trade him now as opposed to holding onto him for 12 months. Pick 10 wont be enough for May.

 

I meant to trade pick 6 along with our other 1st rounder to get us a ready made young star , like the Treloar and Lever deals.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Petraccattack

[MadAsHell 4,215]

20 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Fair call but I’m not giving up Pick 6 for S May alone as he is simply not worth it IMO. If we are going to have a sustained period of success we still need to build the list, hopefully the FA will come naturally.

That's more then fair, and why you would need to look at the trade as a whole.

If the trade ends up reading;

IN: May, KK, Lockhart

OUT: Garlett, Pick 6, Future 3rd Rounder (potentially pick 50'ish)

It looks a pretty fair exchange to me as a whole.

Edited September 29, 2018 by MadAsHell

[MadAsHell 4,215]

Just now, Petraccattack said:

I meant to trade pick 6 along with our other 1st rounder to get us a ready made star , like the Treloar and Lever deals.

I get where you're going.

If one of the two 1st Rounders we get from Freo in a 2019 pick, then we'll have 2 picks that year to potentially trade for Kelly.

[Neitz the Great 555]

Excuse my ignorance, but why wouldn't we trade next year's first round pick for May?

Would likely be 14-18 which seems a good price to pay for him.

Then leaves us with 2 x top 10 picks in this years superdraft, one of which we can trade for a quality outside mid e.g. someone like shiel and we can take a top 5 pick in the draft which means that we fulfil the AFL's 2 first round picks in 4 years requirements.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

29 minutes ago, Neitz the Great said:

Excuse my ignorance, but why wouldn't we trade next year's first round pick for May?

Would likely be 14-18 which seems a good price to pay for him.

Then leaves us with 2 x top 10 picks in this years superdraft, one of which we can trade for a quality outside mid e.g. someone like shiel and we can take a top 5 pick in the draft which means that we fulfil the AFL's 2 first round picks in 4 years requirements.

Two reasons:

- Pick 14 to 18 will not be enough secure May.

- The Suns don’t want more future draft picks. They want to improve their side now.

 

[titan_uranus 25,043]

5 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Two reasons:

- Pick 14 to 18 will not be enough secure May.

- The Suns don’t want more future draft picks. They want to improve their side now.

IMO it is.

I'm at peace with Hogan leaving, but I don't rate May nearly as much as others do and I do not necessarily see May coming into the side as being a net gain over Hogan leaving the side.

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1 hour ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I’m with you Adonski. Opportunity is knocking on the door with May now when we have the post-Hogan trade currency to nab him from under the noses of Collingwood and others. Who’s to say what the landscape will be in 12 months when he becomes an RFA? Maybe a host of other clubs get involved and one trumps our offer. Maybe our hands are tied because of another impending trade. Circumstances change. 

You strike while the iron’s hot in this situation.

Agreed ETD.

And just like the Green-Hornet, strike multiple times in quick succession.

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Edited September 29, 2018 by DV8

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7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

IMO it is.

I'm at peace with Hogan leaving, but I don't rate May nearly as much as others do and I do not necessarily see May coming into the side as being a net gain over Hogan leaving the side.

Of course May’s arrival and Hogan’s departure is not a net gain to us in isolation. That’s why we will be demanding two first round picks for him.

But there’s a significant difference in value between draft picks 5-10 and picks 14-18. The Suns are not giving up their captain, a sought after fullback with at least three Vic clubs chasing his signature, for anything less than pick 10. 

[John Demonic 5,850]

2 hours ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I’m with you Adonski. Opportunity is knocking on the door with May now when we have the post-Hogan trade currency to nab him from under the noses of Collingwood and others. Who’s to say what the landscape will be in 12 months when he becomes an RFA? Maybe a host of other clubs get involved and one trumps our offer. Maybe our hands are tied because of another impending trade. Circumstances change. 

You strike while the iron’s hot in this situation.

Pretty much why we drafted Petty. Striking while the iron is hot on a player who we assessed as much better than the pick we got him with. He either develops in a few years into a Lever who stays in our back 6, or becomes a tradeable asset that nets us some high picks. But I digress. The point is to take an opportunity that presents as it might not come again.

Edited September 29, 2018 by johndemonic

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30 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The Suns are not giving up their captain, a sought after fullback with at least three Vic clubs chasing his signature, for anything less than pick 10. 

Exactly. I wouldn't be sure that we can even get May, plenty of Essendon and Pies supporters out there convinced that he's signing for them.

[Dr.D 1,771]

if hogan leaves and mcdonald gets injured there goes our whole season. im up for getting rid of hogan but i wouldnt mind some assurance. god knows we dont want weideman as our sole key forward.

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1 hour ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Of course May’s arrival and Hogan’s departure is not a net gain to us in isolation. That’s why we will be demanding two first round picks for him.

But there’s a significant difference in value between draft picks 5-10 and picks 14-18. The Suns are not giving up their captain, a sought after fullback with at least three Vic clubs chasing his signature, for anything less than pick 10. 

the thing is he ISNT their captain.. not now. he's shown his hand. why would they want a bloke not giving his all and on board? they have little currency now.. different to hogan situation - we would love him to stay, but will accept an amazing deal to release him.