Farewell Jesse Hogan

[DV8 2,271]

Thanks Jesse.

I hope you do well at Freo, Jesse

[layzie 33,801]

It's finally over people. Time to move on.

Thank you Jesse for your contribution and staying with us as long as you did. From this day forward it's through the windshield and not the rear view mirror for MFC.

Edited October 17, 2018 by layzie

[monoccular 17,428]

Only 408 pages ?

Given his refusal to commit which disrupts forward planning this is the best outcome although he will be missed when he does get on the field. 

The nett restructuring is a win for us. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by monoccular
One more page!

[Gator 17,350]

Like Hawthorn, who in my opinion paid ridiculous overs for Wingard, we're a net outcomes based club who just gets deals done.

I remember when Hawthorn gave up picks 9 and 16 for a 27 year old Burgoyne (got back 24 and 40), who supposedly had a knee that was "bone on bone".   Hawthorn supporters were livid.  He's still playing 10 years later and bagged another 3 flags.

Hogan is immature with concerns re off-field issues and that doesn't help you at the negotiation table, especially when the circus would just continue next year.  More importantly, just when we became the club he hoped we'd become he bailed.  No problem, but that demonstrates to me he doesn't bleed for a flag.  

Our list now has never been more balanced in my time watching them.  May will be a gun in a good team and make life a hell of a lot easier for Lever and Oscar.  

And if Kolodjashnij can get his body right, and in turn confidence, we've got another very highly talented player on our hands.

Btw, pick 23 in a good draft is nothing to sneeze at.  Taylor can recruit a 150+ game player with a pick of that nature. 

All things considered, in my opinion we've improved the list.  But I do rate Weideman more than some on here.  At 21 he has so much improvement left it's not funny.

By the way @Baghdad Bob, there's disappointment and the usual addle-pates that would never know a good deal if it slapped them in the face.

Edited October 17, 2018 by ProDee

[Wilson7 2,670]

1 minute ago, layzie said:

It's finally over people. Time to move on.

Thank you Jesse for your contribution and staying with us as long as you did. From this day forward it's through the windshield and not the rear view mirror for MFC.

Agreed Lazie, going to need 24 hours though ?

[bazza226 74]

Looking forward to JT getting a ripper with pick 23

 

[nutbean 8,838]

2 minutes ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

hahaha...i'm really struggling with this one mate, it's  bringing back nightmares of the wizard being poached by Freo. I'm far more upset with him leaving more than anything Josh has said, just deflecting i think, i'm very unreasonable at the moment mate

and he was not half the footballer he was at Melbourne.

The way i see it is he has never really been settled in Victoria  - some footballer adjust here - he was always one contract away from going home.

[Garbo 1,534]

26 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes Peter Bell wins. Mahoney caved but knew Jesse wanted to go home. 

We all move on. 

Neale wanted to go to lions and was a free agent next year and yet they got a better deal than us, dees caved, we could have got at least he same deal next year. Plus picked up May as a free agent. Maybe then we would have had ammo to target Kelly. We sold the farm to get May 1 year early. Unless we win the flag next year this was a nonsensical trade

Edited October 17, 2018 by Garbo

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

Our business today will be judged in September.

#May&Kolo

Edited October 17, 2018 by Win4theAges

[Demon Disciple 12,124]

2 minutes ago, bazza226 said:

Looking forward to JT getting a ripper with pick 23

 

Hoping for an O'Halloran or Duursma (maybe even a Rankine!)

[PaulRB 6,363]

1 minute ago, Garbo said:

Neale wanted to go to lions and was a free agent next year, dees caved, we could have got at least he same deal next year. Plus picked up May as a free agent. Maybe then we would have had ammo to target Kelly. We sold the farm to get May 1 year early. Unless we win the flag next year this was a nonsensical trade

If it increases our chances of a flag (which I believe it does), then it was a good trade...

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Anyone know our flag odds now ?

Purple said a week back we'd be favourite if we got May !

[beelzebub 23,376]

I'm really disappointed..

Will we get to 500 now...I don't think so ...oh me...oh my

[rjay 24,928]

1 minute ago, Garbo said:

Neale wanted to go to lions and was a free agent next year, dees caved, we could have got at least he same deal next year. Plus picked up May as a free agent. Maybe then we would have had ammo to target Kelly. We sold the farm to get May 1 year early. Unless we win the flag next year this was a nonsensical trade

We didn't sell the farm, we just brought our premiership aspirations a year closer...

[monoccular 17,428]

2 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Neale wanted to go to lions and was a free agent next year, dees caved, we could have got at least he same deal next year. Plus picked up May as a free agent. Maybe then we would have had ammo to target Kelly. We sold the farm to get May 1 year early. Unless we win the flag next year this was a nonsensical trade

Garbo 

Do you really think that May would hang around another year?

[chook fowler 19,459]

My mother-in-law practices the dark arts. Freo and Hogan are doomed 

[Garbo 1,534]

Just now, rjay said:

We didn't sell the farm, we just brought our premiership aspirations a year closer...

At a huge cost, if we don’t win we have basically thrown away a pick 6 or whatever we could have got next year to get May 1 year sooner

[drysdale demon 4,835]

3 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Neale wanted to go to lions and was a free agent next year, dees caved, we could have got at least he same deal next year. Plus picked up May as a free agent. Maybe then we would have had ammo to target Kelly. We sold the farm to get May 1 year early. Unless we win the flag next year this was a nonsensical trade

Your living in dreamworld if you really think that is the way it could pan out next year.

[layzie 33,801]

6 minutes ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Agreed Lazie, going to need 24 hours though ?

For sure, needs to sink in.

[Lucifers Hero 39,802]

22 minutes ago, leucopogon said:

So we have traded out, retired and delisted 11 players, traded in 3 players but only have 6 picks. I'm confused. Do we have 2 fewer players on our list this season?

The overall picture is:

We have 7 senior list vacancies and 7 pics if we need them.  We won't need them if we run with less than 40 players on our list or we take a delisted free agent.

I will update the 'Contracts' thread after pick trading closes in a few days and we know about the length of May, Preuss and Kolodjashnij contracts.

 

Edit:  Just heard we have done a pick trade with the Saints:  36 and 46 for their 28. 

So the above table is picks: 23, 28, 54, 62 etc  Not a bad hand given our earliest pick was 36

?  Who knows there me still be a player trade to be done...certainly there are plans for pick 23 and 28!!  Go Josh!!

Edited October 17, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,734]

5 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Neale wanted to go to lions and was a free agent next year and yet they got a better deal than us, dees caved, we could have got at least he same deal next year. Plus picked up May as a free agent. Maybe then we would have had ammo to target Kelly. We sold the farm to get May 1 year early. Unless we win the flag next year this was a nonsensical trade

They actually didn't based on the points system....

[TRIGON 4,783]

Not a bad outcome; although only time will tell.

Glad it's all over. Time to kick back with a glass of whisky and some cheese and biscuits.

[Red and Blue Flame 187]

We got May, KK and pick 23 for Hogan.

Huge result.

As good as Hogan was/is and as much as he may turn out to be a star, we had some of our best wins in the last three years without him. Including our final 4 games of this year (2 finals included).

Put May and Lever into that side and Darling and Kennedy probably don't do as much damage. Midfield show up and we probably win.

Bring on 2019

[Jaded No More 68,915]

46 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

It really annoys me that people have a go at the disappointed posters.  Hogan is a generational player, he held our aspirational hopes for a long time and we became attached to him.  I can't believe there is anyone not sad to see him go.  Those knocking the disappointed are just jerks.

No issue with people being disappointed. We invested a lot in him. Sadly the same can’t be said for Hogan, who was always one foot out the door. 

You don’t win flags with players who aren’t committed to your cause. 

[Garbo 1,534]

1 minute ago, monoccular said:

Garbo 

Do you really think that May would hang around another year?

I don’t think he was going anywhere but dees this year, next year is debatable but unless he wants to come to dees for something other than a pay day he will still be there next year for us.