Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

10 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

The way I read it is that May's camp has said that he wants to be traded, and GCN are saying to all clubs we are listening.

They still know that Melbourne probably the best option based on having the best picks to offer and want the player. May would just be waiting for the Neale deal to kick it off... not really that much in the statement.

The Demons not even mentioned by Cameron despite Mahoney’s previous very public declaration of our interest. 

Clear shift away from Melbourne. Suns open to all viable offers now that the Hogan trade looks dead and buried.

Edited October 16, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[Gator 17,261]

My "gut feel" is very different to Range Rover's.

80/20 he'll be in purple next year.

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

Let's just get Dunny back for the Gorilla's

 

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[Ouch! 2,231]

Just now, EnterTheDragon said:

The Demons not even mentioned by Cameron despite Mahobey’s previous very public declaration of our interest. 

Clear shift away from Melbourne. Suns open to all viable offers now that the Hogan trade looks dead and buried.

....okaaay if thats how you interpret it

No club was mentioned. But the only thing Cameron has actually told anyone is that they are prepared to trade him to whoever gives them the best offer. Melbourne are still best placed *IF* the Neale & Hogan trades actually eventuate.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 minute ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The Demons not even mentioned by Cameron despite Mahobey’s previous very public declaration of our interest. 

Clear shift away from Melbourne. Suns open to all viable offers now that the Hogan trade looks dead and buried.

I find you highly amusing.

How them tea leaves going?

[beelzebub 23,254]

Admittedly its just possibly my read on the situation but I cant help but think a lot of folk are misconstruing the nature of pick 5 and May.

Mahoney has been quite candid in saying we need the hogan trade in order to get May..There after everyone , bar a few simply assume pick 5 is THE price for May.

Its not how I read it at all. The Hogan trade delivers a goodly 1st pick ( and maybe change )..So for sake of argument lets call that pick 5. Yes pick % is INSTRUMENTAL in securing May as GC want that pick...but its not the price paid as such as I believe we will get more than May for 5 and there is probably still some trade off of picks as well.

Pick 5 is part of the deal...not ALL of it...imho

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

My "gut feel" is very different to Range Rover's.

80/20 he'll be in purple next year.

The winner receives a trophy of a golden microscope hovering over golden tea leaves.

Deal?

[Demonland 70,617]

9 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The Demons not even mentioned by Cameron despite Mahoney’s previous very public declaration of our interest. 

Clear shift away from Melbourne. Suns open to all viable offers now that the Hogan trade looks dead and buried.

That's not how I read the situation. It seems that May wants out at all costs prior to 2019 and will go to the Dees if the Hogan/Neale trade eventuates but if that trade falls over then he will play anywhere as long as it's in Melbourne (city) and not Gold Coast.

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

So what happens if May goes to Footscray whilst we offload Hogan?

Plan C...?

This is all taking far too long and has the potential to leave us in a very precarious position, which may be exactly how Freo are pushing this. 

We the MFC should be pushing them, as it is them who have no forwards. 

If May becomes a dog, we need Hogan for next year...

[Ethan Tremblay 30,480]

13 minutes ago, FrostyBeast said:

Let's just get Dunny back for the Gorilla's

 

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We’d need pick 1 for him. Absolute beast defender. 

Edited October 16, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Ethan Tremblay 30,480]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So what happens if May goes to Footscray whilst we offload Hogan?

Plan C...?

This is all taking far too long and has the potential to leave us in a very precarious position, which may be exactly how Freo are pushing this. 

We the MFC should be pushing them, as it is them who have no forwards. 

If May becomes a dog, we need Hogan for next year...

I’d be hoping Rankine slides to 5. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So what happens if May goes to Footscray whilst we offload Hogan?

Plan C...?

This is all taking far too long and has the potential to leave us in a very precarious position, which may be exactly how Freo are pushing this. 

We the MFC should be pushing them, as it is them who have no forwards. 

If May becomes a dog, we need Hogan for next year...

GC won't do that, not until the moment it's clear we won't be trading Hogan.  They would look silly if they traded him for Pick 7 and a few hours later we had Pick 5.   Plus May will want to wait as it's still clear we are his first preference.

But, I see what you mean.  If he is legit happy to play anywhere if he has to, then it puts a little extra pressure on us to get the deal done.  I don't see it as a major issue though.

[skills32 229]

16 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The Demons not even mentioned by Cameron despite Mahobey’s previous very public declaration of our interest. 

Clear shift away from Melbourne. Suns open to all viable offers now that the Hogan trade looks dead and buried.

RR we have crossed swords before.

The Hogan trade will go ahead.

 

 

me 2

RR 0

[Dee Dubya 220]

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

We’d need pick 1 for Dunny. 

Or number twos.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 minute ago, Demonland said:

That's not how I read the situation. It seems that May wants out at all costs prior to 2019 and will go to the Dees if the Hogan/Neale trade eventuates but if that trade falls over then he will play anywhere as long as it's in Melbourne (city) and not Gold Coast.

I read that he is quite aware that the Hogan/Freo link has most likely fallen through (at least for this trade period). 

Demons not a focus now for the Suns re May.

[old55 23,077]

Craig Cameron is a straight shooter and a very smart operator - no doubt he and Mahoney have a range of in principle deals ready to execute as soon as Freo get their shiit together.

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

GC won't do that, not until the moment it's clear we won't be trading Hogan.  They would look silly if they traded him for Pick 7 and a few hours later we had Pick 5.   Plus May will want to wait as it's still clear we are his first preference.

But, I see what you mean.  If he is legit happy to play anywhere if he has to, then it puts a little extra pressure on us to get the deal done.  I don't see it as a major issue though.

Pick 7 and extra picks could get it done, if we are still deadlocked. 

I just do not like all eggs in one basket. Rule 1 in how not to do trading business. 

[binman 42,167]

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’d be hoping Rankine slides to 5. 

In which case he wouldn't be top rankin

[Brownie 5,926]

4 hours ago, Alex Flood said:

So as someone who doesn’t regularly check up on this page, at the moment what is the likelihood that that Hogan-May trade gets done ?

Hey @Alex Flood this article may give you a better insight than the current thread.

http://www.27bslash6.com/magic8ball.html

[Jaded No More 68,692]

Just now, Fifty-5 said:

Craig Cameron is a straight shooter and a very smart operator - no doubt he and Mahoney have a range of in principle deals ready to execute as soon as Freo get their shiit together.

The big problem here is that we are all dependant on mother [censored] Freo, the most useless football club in Australia. 

We've been waiting for a week for them to get things sorted, and here we are, a day out, and they haven't even traded Neale who wants to leave them, for which they already have a good deal on the table from Brisbane.

 

[Spud 288]

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Admittedly its just possibly my read on the situation but I cant help but think a lot of folk are misconstruing the nature of pick 5 and May.

Mahoney has been quite candid in saying we need the hogan trade in order to get May..There after everyone , bar a few simply assume pick 5 is THE price for May.

Its not how I read it at all. The Hogan trade delivers a goodly 1st pick ( and maybe change )..So for sake of argument lets call that pick 5. Yes pick % is INSTRUMENTAL in securing May as GC want that pick...but its not the price paid as such as I believe we will get more than May for 5 and there is probably still some trade off of picks as well.

Pick 5 is part of the deal...not ALL of it...imho

Think you may find, the GC have ample picks this year at the top of the order and are looking to try and bank picks for next year when they will have the start of a number of elite academy players start to come through. While they May still want Pick 5 for May (lots of May's), they will then look to either turn this into picks next year or look for a group of Future picks instead of taking pick 5 into next years draft to lift the points they have available for academy players. How they do that remains to be seen, but one thing I can guarantee is they want picks next year! Apparently their Academy squad at junior levels is pretty darn good, coming from far more informed sources than I on the subject of scouting and recruiting.

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

3 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The big problem here is that we are all dependant on mother [censored] Freo, the most useless football club in Australia. 

We've been waiting for a week for them to get things sorted, and here we are, a day out, and they haven't even traded Neale who wants to leave them, for which they already have a good deal on the table from Brisbane.

 

There is a strong argument for slamming the door shut on Freo Last Friday night and renegotiating new tearms with GC. If we get blind sided and Freo get their key forward i will be in a foul mood

[The Chazz 4,077]

44 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

The fact May has just said he is happy to go to 'Any Victorian Club' means we are in competition for his services and will need to give up pick 5, should we receive it. 

You're acting as though we have other options and are not exploring them.

We can only deal with what we've got.  We don't have a first rounder, and if that's what GC want for May, we're doing what we can to get one in to do the deal.  We don't have a huge amount of bargaining power, and it's not as though we can just pull a pick out of our [censored] to make a deal happen.

[Tony Tea 2,806]

Any chance the Dees will get pick 5, and then instead of giving it to the Suns, trade it up to a higher pick? Say, 1, 2, 3 or 4, similar to what we did with (I think) Oliver and Weid?

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

11 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The big problem here is that we are all dependant on mother [censored] Freo, the most useless football club in Australia. 

We've been waiting for a week for them to get things sorted, and here we are, a day out, and they haven't even traded Neale who wants to leave them, for which they already have a good deal on the table from Brisbane.

 

The real question is why are you still waiting for them when they so clearly and adamantly pulled out of negotiations for Hogan last week?

Why are so many on here living in Dee-nial about this.

Some clubs are being affected by the Neale deal hold up, yes. The Demons aren’t one of them.

Edited October 16, 2018 by EnterTheDragon