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Farewell Jesse Hogan

Devil In Disguise
Devil In Disguise
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5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

 

It's what they're expecting

c'mon, it may be what they'd dream for but it's overs, ignore the media, it's all posturing and game playing

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    16 minutes ago, demoniac said:

    My money is on Neale being a Lion, Hogan a Docker and May/Kolo a Demon by 8:30pm Wednesday night.

     

    Jeez, what a wild bet.

     

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    6 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    Think I remember that guy. Didn’t he absolutely tan your backside during that monster $cully thread when he was the ONLY poster in the entire D’Land community to say Scully was telling fibs and was on his way to GW$? 

    I think you had a similar whinge then about him making the thread “entirely about himself”. RR the narcissist! RR’s not a real Melbourne supporter! Please please mods ban RR! Etc etc. I do recall reading all those and many more slights against that guy way back when.

    Well, here we are again my friend. Years later, similarly controversial circumstances centred on an emotionally sensitive trade, the D’Land sheep herd going one way ... a lone dissident poster bravely going another. And the chorus line of ninnies are up in arms again. Potting a guy who’s views are deemed to be heretical to the Fanboy Establishment.

    I can empathise with how that RR fellow must have felt at that time. It does bring to mind that wonderful quote by the great Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ... “Even if you are a minority of one, the Truth is the Truth.”

    But you guys carry on going over your deluded permutations of Pick 5 and what the club will and won’t have in the kit bag by deadline tomorrow. You go on believing that Hogan’s manager really did put an $8mil/8year demand to Freo and that this is the reason negotiations went pear shaped. I realise it gives many of you a sense of solace that things really are happening behind the scenes and that those nincompoops in purple will magically be brought to heel at the eleventh hour.

    Rpfc a few on here have sportingly laid cojones on the line with a wager to change their avatar if I’m right on this one. Tommy & Phil for you for old time’s sake? I reckon that poster RR who schooled you back in the day would get a bit of a chuckle seeing that, wherever he is out there in cyberspace.

    ”His-to-ry never repeats ... I tell myself before I go to sleep.” 

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    It’s offical. He’s a troll.

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    I thought that once you're banned from here, you cannot post again even under a new name??

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    8 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    definitely rangey. that gandhi quote did it

    Far too much time on his hands .

    A real I’m right and everyone else is wrong attitude about the bloke.

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    2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I thought that once you're banned from here, you cannot post again even under a new name??

    banned or upped stumps?

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    1 minute ago, DeeZee said:

    Far too much time on his hands .

    A real I’m right and everyone else is wrong by attitude about the bloke.

    to be fair though he wouldn't be on his ownsome

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    4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I thought that once you're banned from here, you cannot post again even under a new name??

    Ban him again and he'll just be back as Return of the Dragon.

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    42 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

    Almost 9,200 replies.   This thread will easily get past 10k posts.

    Im going for 20K.

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    16 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

    Jeez, what a wild bet.

    Not so wild. The tv spectacular remember.

     

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    33 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I didn't take @Leoncelli_36comments as a criticism and its a reasonable question/concern.

    Mahoney said:  “For our scenario, there’s a few of the bigger decisions that need to be made, and then other decisions will fall off the back of that.”

    http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-10-08/day-one-trade-wrap

    As the bigger decisions (Hogan/May) haven't been made we simply don't know what the 'other decisions' are (except maybe KK) so its fair to raise the question of what other deals are held up or will be missed. 

    We won't miss out on anything, other than Steven May if the Hogan deal falls through.  KK will be done regardless, and unless we pull off a deal for a fringe player (eg. McKenna), then I'd say our business is pretty much done.

    And I was only being facetious with my comments anyway.  We take trade week far too seriously. 

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    23 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    I reckon that poster RR who schooled you back in the day would get a bit of a chuckle seeing that, wherever he is out there in cyberspace.

    I think we know exactly where he is...

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    12 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

    Far too much time on his hands .

    A real I’m right and everyone else is wrong attitude about the bloke.

    I think it is both him and his brother posting, thus the large body of work.

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    What is the worth of a contract in terms of tenure?

    Not much if you consider what has been happening recently. 

    The emotional notion of a player wanting to "go home"" seems to be an acceptable reason and clubs take a pragmatic view that they do not want to keep a player who is not committed. This encourages the club to get a good trade deal. In other words, clubs become opportunistic in their view of the whole thing.  

    One thing feeds the other. 

    How do you change this behaviour or indeed do you want to?

    My point is that if you think contracts are important then you need to hold both parties to his terms at least in regard to tenure.

    Otherwise, the whole contract thing is a charade, and not worth the paper its written on. Signing a player for a specific period of time is meaningless. 

    The only way for this to change is for clubs

    -not to recruit interstate players so that the go home factor does not become an issue. 

    -include further provisions in the contract that make it clear that both parties will be held to its terms other than in the case of death or disability

    -include cost penalty provisions where a party is in breach.

    -to ensure that all clubs hold to the terms of the contract and not take the expedient view of trading out the unhappy player.  

    These suggestions may appear unrealistic but the alternative is to have an industry where the importance of contracts becomes totally devalued, thereby destabilizing player lists, club planning and coaching strategies.

    There is acceptance by supporters that top players become targets for other clubs and that players can try and get the best deal for themselves. Yet at the same time, supporters will become disillusioned if there is the sense that players can just move club at the drop of a hat, on the grounds that they want to go home.

    Sure they can go home but consistent with the terms of their contract.  

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    2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    We won't miss out on anything, other than Steven May if the Hogan deal falls through.  KK will be done regardless, and unless we pull off a deal for a fringe player (eg. McKenna), then I'd say our business is pretty much done.

    And I was only being facetious with my comments anyway.  We take trade week far too seriously. 

    How do you know - Mahoney was suggesting otherwise...

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    11 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    Why? Because I have an opinion you don’t like?

    Probably because your 'opinion' feels based upon what will create the most chaos...

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    15 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I thought that once you're banned from here, you cannot post again even under a new name??

    If that were true (which I thought it was... ?) then DV8 would have been given the flick long ago.  

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    1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    How do you know - Mahoney was suggesting otherwise...

    I know everything.

    No, seriously, I'm just going by the fact that pretty much everything is out in the open these days.  Every deal done so far has been discussed prior to it happening, so I highly doubt we've got major things cooking outside of Steven May and KK, which is what I believe Mahoney was referring to.

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    49 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    so what happened to the 8 x $1M that Hogan was reportedly asking for last night.

     

     

    Yes what happened to that? ??

     

    41 minutes ago, demoniac said:

    My money is on Neale being a Lion, Hogan a Docker and May/Kolo a Demon by 8:30pm Wednesday night.

     

    I want in on that action demoniac. PM me your odds.

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    40 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I didn't take @Leoncelli_36comments as a criticism and its a reasonable question/concern.

    Mahoney said:  “For our scenario, there’s a few of the bigger decisions that need to be made, and then other decisions will fall off the back of that.”

    http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-10-08/day-one-trade-wrap

    As the bigger decisions (Hogan/May) haven't been made we simply don't know what the 'other decisions' are (except maybe KK) so its fair to raise the question of what other deals are held up or will be missed. 

    Thank you. Amazing when somebody actually follows a logical and linear argument on here. It was well known we had several targets, according to Mahoney. With 28 hours left, we have traded Tyson for Preuss. Lost Kent and gained nothing else. So what I was alluding to was what are these other dominos that we hoped would fall. We have been held up and they may never fall? 

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    1 hour ago, ProDee said:

    I wonder how many of those poster who don't rate May wanted to play Pedersen every week and were livid when Watts was put on the market ?

    I'm guessing strong correlations.  ?

     ? 

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    35 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    Think I remember that guy. Didn’t he absolutely tan your backside during that monster $cully thread when he was the ONLY poster in the entire D’Land community to say Scully was telling fibs and was on his way to GW$? 

    ...

    wow some Manifesto, dig in deeper!  

    FWIW I've enjoyed you input, even if there's been too much of it - a bit like too many Tim Tams.  But I can't help feeling you're headed for a crash - the odds favour the trade going through.  I'm not confident to call it one way or the other but if you end up being right massive kudos to you!

    Edited by Fifty-5

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